They are still unpredictable and only get 10% credit towards baseload capacity I believe. Which still fucked us in Feb when it could push even those numbers at times.
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Agreed. The inability to maintain reliable baseload capacity is a real issue. Also, wind curtailment is an issue. Lack of resilient infrastructure is also a problem.
My concern is misinformation.
they are like cockroaches with the majority voting blue. I like the governor said to you can come but don't vote for the same $hit you escaping
In an area i hunt, there is some wind turbines, half the time half of them aren’t spinning. Like they are shut off for maintenance but no maintenance being done. A day or two later they are spinning and others are off.
Yeah, I used that term several times.
Anyone actually paying attention should have searched out why it matters.
They'll find out why soon enough.
This would help...
www.popularmechanics.com
Elon Musk's Battery Farm Is an Undeniable Success
It's the bet that saved Australia tens of millions of dollars.
www.popularmechanics.com 
IF wind turbines worked worth a shit, they’d just ship the power out of the area that has to deal with those flashing, loud and bird killing eyesores.
The only people those things make sense for is the people who are paid to build and especially fix them.
Solar is coming up, especially in the sailing world, but to power a home, the issues still is the cost and very nasty pollution caused by making and inevitably disposing of the panels and mass amounts of lithium batteries.
I also find it amusing as all hell.
Average hipster screaming for green energy probably uses tons more electrical power with their iEverything, TVs and computers always on, electric car, bike, butt plug, etc than the average conservative who spends far more time outdoors for work and play and just eats and sleeps at home.
I’d wager if you gave a trump voting, hunting, 4 wheeling, shooting country boy a off grid energy independent home with say just 1200W of solar, gotta be environmentally concerned ya know, country boy would make it work, give the same thing to a big city kid who lives, works, plays at home, who 15yrs ago would be considered a shut-in, the same place and he’d be screaming on fakebook and vblooging before his phone dies about how he can’t run all his BS off the 1200W power his home makes
There are some quantum leap advances coming in battery tech without lithium. Solar is making some decent improvements for cheaper more powerful panels.
Load shifting may be a very viable option in a few years, but may not be soon enough at the rate TX is going.
Load shifting may be a very viable option in a few years, but may not be soon enough at the rate TX is going.
Paid content. Copy pasta?This would help...
Elon Musk's Battery Farm Is an Undeniable Success
It's the bet that saved Australia tens of millions of dollars.
Not sure what you mean. It's an article about how a battery bank can smooth out grid voltage spikes and dips. Isn't that directly relevant to the discussion? Unless you think I'm peddling a $50million battery system on a gun forum?
No no I meant I can’t read it, it’s behind a pay wall, copy paste the article so I can read it lol.
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GTFOHWTS YOU PAID TESLA BATTERY BANK SHILL.
Try this updated one through amp
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Elon Musk's Battery Farm Has Been a Total Triumph. Here Comes the Sequel.
The first one saved Australia tens of millions of dollars. The next one is bigger in every way.
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Prove it. Prove a windfarm exists that runs at 40% capacity using any independent research. Post a link from something other than your Soros implant.
A windmill turns wind energy into mechanical energy. A wind turbine turns wind energy into mechanical energy. Same thing.
Hopeless Joke: Australia’s Wind Industry Keeps On Failing to Deliver the Goods
Over the last few months, the output from Australia’s wind power fleet has not only been erratic, it’s been utterly pathetic. Any other enterprise that delivered its goods on such a haphazard, spor…
stopthesethings.com This is the problem with wind farms, when the wind stops the power drops a stunning amount. Imagine trying to replace 3-5,000 MW of power in two hours, then in four hours when the wind picks up, trying to dump 3-5,000 MW of power off the grid. You would literally lose 40% of the Texas grid in 60 minutes if the wind died. Musk's stupid 100 MW battery is pointless. His battery covers 3.5% of the loss. So we need Musk to build literally 30-50 of these batteries.
Windmill idiots all seem to thing the windmill was built carbon neutral, it was not. Windmill idiots ignore the tens of thousands of large birds killed annually, they ignore the increase in ground temperatures, thus and increase in rodents and insects. Windmill idiots ignore the changes in local weather patterns from the disturbance in local wind patterns created by in turbines.
The problem is that the negative effects are still a decade or two from becoming apparent. If you try and study the effects, violent leftist, environmental thugs will threaten to kill you for doing the research. Leftists wackos are irrational idiots, incapable of reasoning or thought, good luck reasoning with them or getting them to read the research.
In terms of power generation. A windmill loses 87.5% of its output if the wind decreases to 50%. That is the science. A hydroelectric powerplant still produces 50-60% of its rated output with 50% of river flow. Windmills suck. And they produce power for about 500% more money than a hydroelectric power plant.
If you want windmills and solar panels, go for it. But when you are paying an average of $650 a month to light your home, no bitching. Just look at your electric bill and smile..................................you got what you asked for.
As the New York Times noted:
“Peak supply is also becoming a vexing problem because so much of the generating capacity added around the country [US] lately is wind power, which is almost useless on the hot, still days when air-conditioning drives up demand.”
Wind turbines kill thousands of birds every year, including Bald Eagles, a protected species. They also kill thousands of bats.
The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) is constantly bragging about how many Megawatts (MW) are being installed, when wind turbine’s true ability to produce electricity is only one-third the amount claimed by the nameplate rating. 6,000 MW of windmill power is about 4,000 windmills, 1,500 if they are 4 mw each. So figure a hundred square miles of blight on the horizon with never ending noise for anyone living near them. All of this for the hope of 1,500 MW of power.
Or you could use your ample natural gas supply to build two 1,000 MW gas turbine plants plants from GE. They can run at 90%of rated for months at a time, even when the wind does not blow. They work when the sun does not shine. They work in the cold and they work in the rain.
Windmills suck, no matter what they power.
“Peak supply is also becoming a vexing problem because so much of the generating capacity added around the country [US] lately is wind power, which is almost useless on the hot, still days when air-conditioning drives up demand.”
Wind turbines kill thousands of birds every year, including Bald Eagles, a protected species. They also kill thousands of bats.
The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) is constantly bragging about how many Megawatts (MW) are being installed, when wind turbine’s true ability to produce electricity is only one-third the amount claimed by the nameplate rating. 6,000 MW of windmill power is about 4,000 windmills, 1,500 if they are 4 mw each. So figure a hundred square miles of blight on the horizon with never ending noise for anyone living near them. All of this for the hope of 1,500 MW of power.
Or you could use your ample natural gas supply to build two 1,000 MW gas turbine plants plants from GE. They can run at 90%of rated for months at a time, even when the wind does not blow. They work when the sun does not shine. They work in the cold and they work in the rain.
Windmills suck, no matter what they power.
And the real problem is 20 years later.
stopthesethings.com
Out of Sight: What to Do With Germany’s 1.35 Million Tonnes of Toxic Wind Turbine Blades?
The rush to an all wind and sun powered future has left Germans sensing the kind of regret that comes with youthful exuberance – something about acting in haste and repenting at leisure sprin…
stopthesethings.com 
Except Texas has been doing infrastructure improvements like crazy for about the last 15 years, probably more.
The wind energy replacing reliable dead dinosaur fuel energy is what's been the culprit.
I’ll raise your bet.15 kW
Each of our units puts out well over 600 MW.
They're putting them up all over my area too. On good farmland no less.
Great planning.
And it's our fault. Everything is out there to see. Nobody cares. But they know what their neighbors posted on facefuck. And the stats of their favorite sports ball team.
Priorities I guess.
We could both post a doctoral thesis on the current state of generation vs demand, future load demands, and a hundred other things.
But it wouldn't matter.
Too many people are intellectually lazy and lack an understanding of what is coming.
We both see the day to day on the screens, I'm an old turbine operator. Not ever sitting on the board, someone has to tell the kids where to go and what to run towards vs away from.
You'd know my plant by name, it's grown into a scary frigging machine over the last year's. No money, lost tier 1 status, takes 3-6 days to spin one up anymore, hell, the load center has cancelled a start up in the middle because simply takes too long anymore.
3550 psi
1050 deg steam.
That shit is finding interesting ways out because of no repairs, even on outages.
Anyways, I could go on for days, but I'll wager you know exactly what I'm talking about.
The bottom line is this.
Electrical generation is the most important thing in this country. Without exception.
Without it, every single thing stops.
But personally, I'd take the 1850s' again. Separates the herd pretty quickly.
Anyone who gives it a serious look will realize this issue us getting close to critical mass.
Any wonder why they are changing it so drastically ?
Of course not.
Water is the most important thing in this country. Without exception.
I did not say windfarm, I said turbine. However, if I didn't think you were just trolling the subject, I'd be willing to take a look out of idle curiosity and see if we can find an installed windfarm with a CF above 40%.
Seems reasonable that we might find at least one windfarm above 40% since you yourself referenced a New York Times article that references a CF average of 33%, which is still much higher than your original statement of 12%.
As to the "windmill" thing you keep insisting on, it is about as accurate as Pelosi calling an AR-15 an "assault rifle". The primary output is electrical energy, not mechanical. A wind turbine is a windmill as much as a hydroelectric dam is a watermill.
Hopeless Joke: Australia’s Wind Industry Keeps On Failing to Deliver the Goods
Over the last few months, the output from Australia’s wind power fleet has not only been erratic, it’s been utterly pathetic. Any other enterprise that delivered its goods on such a haphazard, spor…
This is the problem with wind farms, when the wind stops the power drops a stunning amount. Imagine trying to replace 3-5,000 MW of power in two hours, then in four hours when the wind picks up, trying to dump 3-5,000 MW of power off the grid. You would literally lose 40% of the Texas grid in 60 minutes if the wind died. Musk's stupid 100 MW battery is pointless. His battery covers 3.5% of the loss. So we need Musk to build literally 30-50 of these batteries.
Windmill idiots all seem to thing the windmill was built carbon neutral, it was not. Windmill idiots ignore the tens of thousands of large birds killed annually, they ignore the increase in ground temperatures, thus and increase in rodents and insects. Windmill idiots ignore the changes in local weather patterns from the disturbance in local wind patterns created by in turbines.
The problem is that the negative effects are still a decade or two from becoming apparent. If you try and study the effects, violent leftist, environmental thugs will threaten to kill you for doing the research. Leftists wackos are irrational idiots, incapable of reasoning or thought, good luck reasoning with them or getting them to read the research.
In terms of power generation. A windmill loses 87.5% of its output if the wind decreases to 50%. That is the science. A hydroelectric powerplant still produces 50-60% of its rated output with 50% of river flow. Windmills suck. And they produce power for about 500% more money than a hydroelectric power plant.
If you want windmills and solar panels, go for it. But when you are paying an average of $650 a month to light your home, no bitching. Just look at your electric bill and smile..................................you got what you asked for.
Don't forget the non-recyclable turbine blades that are stored in a landfill and have no chance of decomposing in our lifetime. Maintenance costs are absolutely horrendous.
I did not say windfarm, I said turbine. However, if I didn't think you were just trolling the subject, I'd be willing to take a look out of idle curiosity and see if we can find an installed windfarm with a CF above 40%.
Seems reasonable that we might find at least one windfarm above 40% since you yourself referenced a New York Times article that references a CF average of 33%, which is still much higher than your original statement of 12%.
As to the "windmill" thing you keep insisting on, it is about as accurate as Pelosi calling an AR-15 an "assault rifle". The primary output is electrical energy, not mechanical. A wind turbine is a windmill as much as a hydroelectric dam is a watermill.
Man you are almost right, if you only had any information or facts or any basic knowledge of what you are talking about you would almost be correct.
"A windmill is a structure that converts wind power into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades, specifically to mill grain (gristmills), but the term is also extended to windpumps, wind turbines and other applications. The term wind engine is sometimes used to describe such devices.[1]"
"By 1908 there were 72 wind-driven electric generators in Denmark, ranging from 5 to 25 kW. By the 1930s, windmills were widely used to generate electricity on farms in the United States".......
Windmill - Wikipedia
"As with all energy supply options, wind energy can have adverse environmental impacts, including the potential to reduce, fragment, or degrade habitat for wildlife, fish, and plants. Furthermore, spinning turbine blades can pose a threat to flying wildlife like birds and bats. Due to the potential impact that wind power can have on wildlife,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"
Wind mills cause Global Warming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"In two papers — published today in the journals Environmental Research Letters and Joule — Harvard University researchers find that the transition to wind or solar power in the U.S. would require five to 20 times more land than previously thought, and, if such large-scale wind farms were built, would warm average surface temperatures over the continental U.S. by 0.24 degrees Celsius."
Wind Farms Cause More Environmental Impact Than Previously Thought
Harvard University researchers find that the transition to wind or solar power in the U.S. would require five to 20 times more land than previously thought.
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The bigger the wind farm, the lower the overall power output of each unit in the farm.
"“For wind, we found that the average power density — meaning the rate of energy generation divided by the encompassing area of the wind plant — was up to 100 times lower than estimates by some leading energy experts,” said Miller, who is the first author of both papers. “Most of these estimates failed to consider the turbine-atmosphere interaction. For an isolated wind turbine, interactions are not important at all, but once the wind farms are more than five to 10 kilometers deep, these interactions have a major impact on the power density.”
So you found or someone who implants the Soros dogma in your head found one single wind mill that ran efficiently on the entire earth. And with that one single windmill out of the tens of thousands installed you concluded the entire industry runs at that level of performance. That is astounding in it level of irrational.
As a good leftist, you are required to ignore any facts or data that prove you are wrong and to react irrationally. Maybe you should scream, "Come on man!!!!!!" and demand more ice cream or a cookie like your mentor?
In closing, wind mills suck and they will be a far worse solution than you ever imagined. No unicorn farts and dreams, sorry.
A long time ago 2 young guys from the power company came to the door and wantwd to give me a free thermostat.
I told them to get off my property and they still wanted to talk, got my gun and told them they were stupid and trespassing.
They left.
I run my thermostat as I see fit.
Same kind of shit with solar, you need to own your panels so you can unplug the leaches as you wish.
A few days of getting screwed over in the Texas heat there will be a lot of new thermostats installed without internet controlls.
I told them to get off my property and they still wanted to talk, got my gun and told them they were stupid and trespassing.
They left.
I run my thermostat as I see fit.
Same kind of shit with solar, you need to own your panels so you can unplug the leaches as you wish.
A few days of getting screwed over in the Texas heat there will be a lot of new thermostats installed without internet controlls.
Whoa. You just jumped to a whole lot of conclusions about what I believe just so you could get your rants out.
You need to tone down the crazy. I don't know who you are wanting to argue with, but it certainly ain't me. I am not a proponent of wind and solar as a solution to replace fossil fuels. I just don't like misinformation.
If I had to pick one, my solution would be to just install a new generation of nuclear plants across the nation. I just don't know enough about the economics of nuclear to state with any confidence that this would be a viable solution. It is clear that the political climate wouldn't allow for it in any event.
As to the substance of what you posted, that Harvard study you cited there is touching on a phenomena known as waking. It was recognized in the industry and they have been working to mitigate it with a combination of different less dense array designs and software to direct the turbines and maximize output. This might explain what Jgunner witnessed and in that case, maybe they shut down some turbines to prevent them from waking other turbines farther afield, but doing so maximizes overall production across the entire farm.
You are right that the farm will require greater area to achieve the same installed capacity. However, the idea is that with fewer turbines they will also achieve greater effective capacity. So simply extrapolating that they will need three times the area is misleading.
Think of the wind farm in Palm Springs on the way to 29. It has the turbines too densely packed together, so simply replacing the turbines won't solve the waking problem. Which is why the recent repower projects there like the "The Mesa Wind Repower Project" are yanking out the older turbines altogether, abandoning the pads and rebuilding with less but more efficient turbines and array design. The installed capacity may stay the same, but the effective capacity will increase.
An unresolved question is what happens when one company owns a turbine that is "Waking" another company's turbine?
For those of us in the oil and gas industry it may strike as being familiar to the historic issues that gave rise to unitization and forced pooling. I think if wind industry does continue to grow, this is going to be a real concern that will need to be addressed at some point. It will be interesting to see if the wind generation companies need to deal with the TRC at some point in the future in the same way oil and gas companies do for field rules, or the OCC for pooling and spacing orders.
Also interesting that this Harvard study you provided contained a nice graph for us showing the years 2010 - 2016 wherein you can see the CF slowly rising as the technology and knowledge improves over time. Of note, in all the years under study, the CF was greater than your originally stated 12%. As this was a nation wide study that you provided and referenced, is it safe to assume at this point you have acknowledged that "12% capacity" you stated may have been incorrect?
Temperatures here this week (last Sunday) went to 116.
They shut off my electricity arbitrarily under those conditions and they won't be liking me very much.
They shut off my electricity arbitrarily under those conditions and they won't be liking me very much.
Nuclear is the answer to power problems. But the go green crowd doesn't like that it actually solves the problem.
Once a problem is solved it can no longer be used to control the population, or otherwise modify behavior.
I concur to a point.
I live in Texas and have worked aircraft in Vegas and Phoenix.
Gila Bend was the hottest I have worked on a flight line. 123 degrees on the thermometer hung in the shade one day. Glad I was young and strong then.
No idea the temprature on the line that day but we had to rescue an overheated pilot for real that day.
Out he went.
In Phoenix day shift had 3x the crew and swings 2x the crew as mid shift had to rotate out people to keep from killing them for about the same ammount of work on the actual line.
I live in Texas and have worked aircraft in Vegas and Phoenix.
Gila Bend was the hottest I have worked on a flight line. 123 degrees on the thermometer hung in the shade one day. Glad I was young and strong then.
No idea the temprature on the line that day but we had to rescue an overheated pilot for real that day.
Out he went.
In Phoenix day shift had 3x the crew and swings 2x the crew as mid shift had to rotate out people to keep from killing them for about the same ammount of work on the actual line.
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Wyoming will be the site of the new experimental nuclear power plant with republican support.
TerraPower
TerraPower is a nuclear innovation company dedicated to developing advanced nuclear reactors that will provide carbon-free energy to billions.
www.terrapower.com 
Totally agree that nuclear is the solution. Not sure about the reasoning why libs hate it. I've been discussing it with them since before they officially switched from Red to Green, as if there is a difference, and from what I can tell, they are just really, really, really scared. Like irrationally scared of anything nuclear.
Leftists will support nuclear if they are ordered to by their masters. They will support genocide, mass executions, mass imprisonment and reeducation, destroying the middle class, creating racial strife and unrest, riots, looting and civil war.
The leftists are as mindless as their president. They will blindly do anything for a scoop of ice cream or a cookie, just like Pedo Joe when he signs an executive order destroying civil rights or tens of thousands of jobs and gets a cookie or 20 minutes alone with a small child.
The leftists are as mindless as their president. They will blindly do anything for a scoop of ice cream or a cookie, just like Pedo Joe when he signs an executive order destroying civil rights or tens of thousands of jobs and gets a cookie or 20 minutes alone with a small child.
Ever thought about adding one of these to your isolated location?
Have to say, I wish they had kept the research and development of this going. It took 20 years to come up with this and then as far as I know, we sat around and let the tech stagnate for the last 60 years.
Nuclear power is very very expensive, almost prohibitively so. It has been a struggle at the Perry Power plant for some time but they did just get a renewal. That is the only thing that keeps Perry going though or it would turn into a shit hole real quick.
Building nuclear plants makes people an ass load of money.
Not as much .
If done like Texas did you will hand the debt of building it over to generations past the operational life of the damn thing.
The cost of the cheap energy is mind boggling.
Also only cheap for the producer not the consumer, it's just an expensive lie.
Not as much .
If done like Texas did you will hand the debt of building it over to generations past the operational life of the damn thing.
The cost of the cheap energy is mind boggling.
Also only cheap for the producer not the consumer, it's just an expensive lie.
Those of you who took a Physics course in school, may remember the concept of Energy Density.
Locals who bought Teslas are pretty tired of the two hour average charge time.
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Liquid hydrocarbons (fuels such as gasoline, diesel and kerosene) are today the most dense way known to economically store and transport chemical energy at a large scale (1 kg of diesel fuel burns with the oxygen contained in ≈15 kg of air)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline
Locals who bought Teslas are pretty tired of the two hour average charge time.
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Liquid hydrocarbons (fuels such as gasoline, diesel and kerosene) are today the most dense way known to economically store and transport chemical energy at a large scale (1 kg of diesel fuel burns with the oxygen contained in ≈15 kg of air)
Energy density - Wikipedia
Energy density Extended Reference Table - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline
Example of modern disaster building nuke plants.. way over budget, over time, federal loans to keep it going and cancelled 2 of the 4 planned new cores.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia
Nuke power might be okay if it was designed and operated at the level of the reactors run by the Navy.Example of modern disaster building nuke plants.. way over budget, over time, federal loans to keep it going and cancelled 2 of the 4 planned new cores.
Vogtle Electric Generating Plant - Wikipedia
But, most today are designed and run by idiots with pockets to fill.
They convince comsumers they need it and once the contract is signed all bets are off state and feds start shoveling money.
I say build that shit on your own dime and try to sell me electricity when your producing it in a free market.
I'm not expected to buy a ranchers land and cattle and feed for him when he starts up his business.
Then pay for the steaks as well.
It's a bullshit scam.
I say build that shit on your own dime and try to sell me electricity when your producing it in a free market.
I'm not expected to buy a ranchers land and cattle and feed for him when he starts up his business.
Then pay for the steaks as well.
It's a bullshit scam.
It's prohibitively expensive because of government regulations at all levels. Nuclear power was just beginning to flourish... then we had 3 Mile Island and Chernobyl a few years later. Fear took over, and now we have power issues we have now due to that fear.
I believe that is part of the plan. The most common word in any of those UN documents is "sustainability".
To take a very broad view global population has grown exponentially over the last decade in large part due to the wonder of cheap / reliable energy and all the benefits that it brings.
In relatively recent times we have some of the most populous areas on the planet (ie China and India) now joining the party and as they become wealthier they want to live at western levels.
The issue is with that doing so will deplete our finite natural resources much more quickly so the "Elites" would like us to move to electricity. Why electricity? Because its much easier to control consumption (ie rolling blackouts etc).
Ever notice that some EVs push the fact that they can be used as a power bank of sorts, ie if required the car which was plugged in charging can now use its battery to work in reverse and supply power (relatively small reserve of course). Coincidence?
This whole saga has never been about carbon, if it were China (who now create more carbon pollution than all the G7 countries combined) wouldn't still be classed as a developing country subject to much more lax rules regarding pollution, instead it is merely an angle to push this agenda and create an opportunity for more taxation on the "wealthier" countries to further reduce consumption and increase sustainability.
Please note that rolling blackouts and similar will only affect the "Plebs", the "Elites" will still live in huge air conditioned mansions and travel as they please. Rules are only for the little people.
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I'm not exactly sure which regulations are needed and which are just fluff but just like pharmaceuticals...it needs to be heavily regulated
I'll take that bet and your money.
You won't sustain society without pumps, the ability to produce and transport and use the chemicals to clean city water. Let alone the ability to run the foundry that made the steel that the semi truck that transported it to the site that made the tank that was lifted by a crane to hold the water in the multitude of apartment buildings everywhere. And it took a refinery and diesel , both using electricity, to fuel the semi truck and crane.
Yes, I agree water is important.
But everything revolves around electricity. From raw materials to your mailbox. Everything we take for granted is created and produced because of electricity .
The days of Rome are over. So are the Egyptians.
We sustain the developed world because we keep power running.
And that's exactly why they are pushing full tilt to change it.
Any thoughts on the growing murmur of transitioning the renewable subsidies into power storage technology?
You should be able to store power on your property. Some counties don't allow it, which is complete bullshit.
I was not aware of that! Where is this?
After the Texas freeze, I realized Florida could have power problems too someday.
Freeze, hurricanes, grid hackers, asteroids, whatever.
Motivated me to learn about solar. Started the solar project in March, doing a little at a time.
This month, son & I finished installing enough panels & electronics to keep the lights & refrigerator on, and also run the well pump (our only source of water).
Freeze, hurricanes, grid hackers, asteroids, whatever.
Motivated me to learn about solar. Started the solar project in March, doing a little at a time.
This month, son & I finished installing enough panels & electronics to keep the lights & refrigerator on, and also run the well pump (our only source of water).
Off the top of my head, Riverside County in California for one. Unless things have changed since the last time I looked it up a year or two ago..
In order to have a solar system installed and up to "code" it has to A. be on the power grid. No off the grid systems allowed, B. cannot have power storage on property.
When I get me a Florida property in the sticks, thats exactly what I'm gonna power with solar. Lights, fridge, water pump. I'm looking between Tampa and Gainesville, as well as the general Ocala National Forest area.
Now why would that be do you reckon? If the goal is to reduce carbon and save the world wouldn't any effort (even if not grid tied) be better than nothing?
For technical savvy folks I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to "correct" in the future if it was required for some reason.......
And why no power storage on property?
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