I guess there'll be two of us soon then.
Better turrets, better reticle, better eye box, and the glass and tracking is the same... the $400 scope stays on the rifle, the other one will be in the PX soon.
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Rifle Scopes The Vortex blues.
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I guess there'll be two of us soon then.
Better turrets, better reticle, better eye box, and the glass and tracking is the same... the $400 scope stays on the rifle, the other one will be in the PX soon.
To the OP, the fact is that what "budget scope" used to mean, and what it means today in 2021, are so different it's crazy, almost hard to believe.
So crazy in fact that a lot of guys are just going on making pretend that it can't be happening, there's no way some stupid budget scope can hold a candle to their alpha-tier glass that costs 10X as much.
Which makes total sense.
Because at any other time before now, that would be true. And most guys who've graduated to owning/using alpha-tier glass, don't spend much time giving a fuck about or looking through budget scopes... which is why they don't know how wrong they are.
I can think of a few reasons why some guys might think it's funny that I've decided to run an Arken over a Razor... I bet it's a mix of: they think I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about and don't know anything about what "good glass" even means, I'm too poor to buy scopes that cost a couple to more than a few thousand dollars, and/or there's no possible way a the cheaper scope can hang with the more expensive one in any meaningful way. None of those things are true.
Thing is, it's already happened before, in June 2014 when Vortex dropped the Razor HDG2: no possible way some scope made by "that shitty brand Vortex" and priced under $2K could hang with the more expensive stuff from S&B, NF, Leupold, etc...
Wait.. doh.
So crazy in fact that a lot of guys are just going on making pretend that it can't be happening, there's no way some stupid budget scope can hold a candle to their alpha-tier glass that costs 10X as much.
Which makes total sense.
Because at any other time before now, that would be true. And most guys who've graduated to owning/using alpha-tier glass, don't spend much time giving a fuck about or looking through budget scopes... which is why they don't know how wrong they are.
I can think of a few reasons why some guys might think it's funny that I've decided to run an Arken over a Razor... I bet it's a mix of: they think I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about and don't know anything about what "good glass" even means, I'm too poor to buy scopes that cost a couple to more than a few thousand dollars, and/or there's no possible way a the cheaper scope can hang with the more expensive one in any meaningful way. None of those things are true.
Thing is, it's already happened before, in June 2014 when Vortex dropped the Razor HDG2: no possible way some scope made by "that shitty brand Vortex" and priced under $2K could hang with the more expensive stuff from S&B, NF, Leupold, etc...
Wait.. doh.
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I won't own a Vortex lesser than a Razor on any kind of weapon I may need to rely on for any reason.
I'm starting to feel the same way. Shot a friend's ar with a 1-8 trijicon and I really liked it. May put my 1-6 with the mount up for sale in the near future.
Got three new gen1 viper pst's in the mail today. Said they replaced two due to damaged tubes from over tightened rings and one for internal condensation.
Fast service, I'll give them that.
So now the big question, since I'm planning on retooling scopes, do I switch to mil or stay moa ? I shot an swfa 20x on my vudoo for a while and I liked mils just fine. Problem is, EVERYBODY I shoot with shoots moa scopes.
Fast service, I'll give them that.
So now the big question, since I'm planning on retooling scopes, do I switch to mil or stay moa ? I shot an swfa 20x on my vudoo for a while and I liked mils just fine. Problem is, EVERYBODY I shoot with shoots moa scopes.
Can't complain when you damage scopes and they replace them with new ones. Part of the warranty most forget about. At least you have three new ones now to do with what you want.
Nooooo, didn’t even see it coming!!!
Just kidding. Stay MOA if the group you shoot with uses the same. If they want to switch then switch. If you plan to do a discipline where MIL dominates the crowd then go MIL
Both forms of measurement. Both work equally well.
Maybe, just maybe, he's sick of using the warranty?
I have much older and sometimes cheaper scopes than the vipers I had. The vortex ones are the only ones I needed the warranty.
I have sold all my vortex stuff to people like you who don't care that it will break, only that it will be fixed.
I did wear out a Sightron. It was 18 years old and the windage spring broke. They sent me an S-tac (roughly $500) to replace the 18 year old SII (I paid $225 for it).
There are others out there that match the vortex warranty on legitimate broken parts, but they won't let you send in the one you tried to use as a hammer being an idiot.
I have no issue dropping coin on quality gear. If you buy typically cheap Chinese junk, then that's on you. I have a razor HD gen2, put it through way more that I should have, and it's still spot on and tracks perfectly. I have a NF NSX, which has been back for warranty due to parallax issue. And had to pay for it. And this was years ago when it was less than 4 years old. Still had to pay, even freight.
I had a look through multiple top tier scopes a while back, and had the chance to buy basically anything I wanted. I got a March. Weirdly, that got warrantied, and now I run a Leupold mk5HD. Almost got a ZCO, but didn't quite do what I wanted (at the time).
I had a look through multiple top tier scopes a while back, and had the chance to buy basically anything I wanted. I got a March. Weirdly, that got warrantied, and now I run a Leupold mk5HD. Almost got a ZCO, but didn't quite do what I wanted (at the time).
Did you miss this on purpose?
Vertical split rings perhaps?
"Maybe, just maybe, he's sick of using the warranty?"
Everybody should be grateful about getting these replaced with NEW ones, how can you not see it this way?
The scopes weren't damaged. Wish I would have took pictures. I've used a wheeler fat wrench on my optics religiously and I don't get carried away. They were vertical split rings though. Warne quick release.
Even if they did get squeezed a little I fail to see how that makes the coating flake off the glass internally. And what about the one with water in it ?
I am grateful to vortex for replacing them. Been nice if they would have upgraded me to the gen2.
As luck would have it it looks like I'll be running vortex again for a little while. Botched machine work on the heads of my truck have now cost me an additional 3k of engine work.
Didn't sound like he had to buy new anything there chief. Sounds like he sent in some old scopes and they sent him some brand new ones.
Never said they were horrible. But they would have been outstanding if they'd upgraded lol. Especially considering when I bought those scopes new they were $950 a pop and now they can be had for $450-500.
Turnaround time from when I mailed them off to when I had new scopes in my hands was nine days. That's pretty good service if you ask me. Regardless of what kind of stuff they turn out.
Personally I think vortex should drop everything under the pst line and focus on more quality rather than quantity. If they would do that they could sell more scopes and better scopes at a better price because then they wouldn't have to cover all the free scopes they send out to replace the junk.
Put em on ebay and spend a little extra for bushnell tacticals or used nightforce. Or maybe find some swfa scopes they are decent and not expensive.
