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Guy with a gun saves lives in Arvada CO

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We want to offer our deepest condolences to the Beesley family. Arvada Police are truly one of the best forces in the nation and Officer Beesley was one of the best of the best as an officer and citizen. As a regular face in Olde Town whether he was dealing with a thief in our store or waving at the children in the square, the moment you met him you knew he was someone you were happy to have as a guardian of the community, and someone you wanted to get to know better. It was obvious Officer Beesley had a huge compassionate heart and was one of those rare people that you could trust upon only a brief encounter. Again, we offer our deepest condolences and prayers for his family, friends, the Arvada Police department and all else who knew him.
However, the story we wanted to tell is of John Hurley from Golden. Currently he is identified as the Samaritan or citizen that died in the Olde Town shooting. We want to let people and his family know what a hero he was. While we did not personally know John, we did recognize him as a regular customer. John pulled into our parking lot around 1:30 and was contemplatively smoking a cigarette near his car. When he finished his cigarette, he slowly walked into our store. Within under a minute upon John entering the store, 10-15 shots of what sounded like a rifle or tactical shotgun were fired in the square 50 yards away. Upon hearing these shots, John and another unknown customer unrelated to John went out of the open door toward the square with clear intent to eliminate the threat. While the unknown customer turned left to assess the situation without pulling out a weapon, John ran quickly without hesitation straight toward the shooter.
What happened after this is unclear and under investigation. However, an eyewitness says that the suspect briefly went out of view behind the library after firing the initial 10-15 shots. John shouted at onlookers behind him to stay inside and hide because the gunman was coming back. John used this as an opportunity to run towards the library where the shooter was and hide behind a brick wall. Upon the shooter walking again back toward the square, John pulled out his concealed pistol and shot 5-6 rounds toward the suspect. Exactly how both John and the suspect died remain unclear.
We want to thank and recognize John as we believe that his actions saved more lives from being taken. He needs to be recognized by Arvada and all the citizens of Colorado for his brave and selfless actions. He went selflessly into harm’s way when the shooter had clear intent to continue his murderous spree.
Upon talking to some of his friends and coworkers, they are not at all surprised by his heroic actions. They even recall conversations with Johnny about what they would each do in a situation such as this. His friends say Johnny was fully aware of all the dangers about getting involved. Johnny clearly stated that he would without a doubt sacrifice himself to save others. This week Johnny did exactly what he said he was going to do in the most dangerous and extreme of situations.
While we will never fully comprehend what led up to this the gunman’s actions, we are reassured that there are people like Johnny who will give their life for strangers. The thought that out of the dozen or so people in the shop at the time, not just one but two civilians ran out to almost eminent danger makes us see other people in a new light. While we may not like the one who cut us off on the road, or the neighbor with different political views, remember that there is a possibility that this person can be like John and will sacrifice themselves for us when true danger lurks.
We again want to offer our condolences to Officer Beesley’s and John Hurley’s families and friends. We lost two heroes this week and we hope their service to the community and heroic actions will not be forgotten.
 
The sad thing is that John Hurley was only identified as a "Samaritan" in all news stories until today. In fact, it was completely unclear as to what had transpired other than the fact that 3 were dead including the police officer, the gunman and a "Samaritan."
 
Suspect apparently hated cops and targeted them specifically but there is zero information other than a name...hmmm.
 
I have it from a solid source that John Hurley was shot by responding police after having engaged and killed the active shooter. The active shooter had just killed the initial responding Arvada Police Officer.

This is a frustrating story to say the least.........
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I hope his family takes the city and the moron who shot him, to the cleaners for everything they are worth.
The idiot that shot the good guy should never wear a uniform again, if nothing else out of respect for the hero they killed.
Colorado just amended “Qualified Immunity” so that may play a part.

 
May be true. I’d take a step back until the rest of the story comes out. Unless you were standing there you don’t have the ground truth of what those officers rolled up on or the call(s) that got them there.
 
I hope his family takes the city and the moron who shot him, to the cleaners for everything they are worth.
The idiot that shot the good guy should never wear a uniform again, if nothing else out of respect for the hero they killed.
Massad Ayoob referred to an accidental Good Samaritan killed by cops as an "Oops" moment. IOW, he shouldn't have been in their way.
That goes back to the 'cops are the only ones qualified to carry guns' mentality.
 
May be true. I’d take a step back until the rest of the story comes out. Unless you were standing there you don’t have the ground truth of what those officers rolled up on or the call(s) that got them there.

Save it for folks who still like to worship the police as some kind of "more equal" type...

I'd settle for how about the police idiot that shot the hero get the exact same treatment a standard civilian would get if they shot the wrong guy...
That should be fair right?
 
Massad Ayoob referred to an accidental Good Samaritan killed by cops as an "Oops" moment. IOW, he shouldn't have been in their way.
That goes back to the 'cops are the only ones qualified to carry guns' mentality.
Well I don’t think that given LEO training, anyone in their right mind would believe that pulling a gun and getting involved, around cops is a “safe” thing to do. The smart move, sadly, would be to exfil the scene.

Cops just are not trained to deal with a “good guy with a gun” on the scene of an active shooter.
 
May be true. I’d take a step back until the rest of the story comes out. Unless you were standing there you don’t have the ground truth of what those officers rolled up on or the call(s) that got them there.
This.

This is near me. Very.

I know a lotta folks around here.
The story isnt nearly told by any of the folks who will have all the details, YET.
They were gagged by order of the DA until all of the investigation is complete.
their silence means nothing more than waiting for ALL OF THE FACTS.
 
My source is solid. In the end not much about this story will change.

I don’t think it is ever too early to discuss CCW intervention, situational awareness and risks involved in getting involved to stop an active shooter.

Nor do I think it is ever too early to discuss police training in a society replete with legal concealed carriers and an alarming amount of active shooters.
 
There are CCW classes and even some online videos of how to respond when police do show up to help avoid a situation like this.

My speculation.. Police show up, assuming they know a fellow officer was just killed and come up on a guy with a gun in his hand. Guys likely still full of adrenaline and maybe has tunnel vision . Good chance shits going to go bad. Should it? No, but if you can’t see how this happens you’re being disingenuous.

For all of you who think different if some stranger was in you house standing in your living room with a gun when you came through the door, what’s you’re first move going to be? What if he just saved you kid from a fucking pedo and was keeping that fucker at bay until help came? How many of you would ventilate him before one word came out of your mouth?

Just saying, a lot guys on this site have gotten way to comfortable with thinking every situation is black and white and there’s no nuance to any of it. It’s fucking internet toughguy bullshit and frankly, getting old.
 
There are CCW classes and even some online videos of how to respond when police do show up to help avoid a situation like this.

My speculation.. Police show up, assuming they know a fellow officer was just killed and come up on a guy with a gun in his hand. Guys likely still full of adrenaline and maybe has tunnel vision . Good chance shits going to go bad. Should it? No, but if you can’t see how this happens you’re being disingenuous.

For all of you who think different if some stranger was in you house standing in your living room with a gun when you came through the door, what’s you’re first move going to be? What if he just saved you kid from a fucking pedo and was keeping that fucker at bay until help came? How many of you would ventilate him before one word came out of your mouth?

Just saying, a lot guys on this site have gotten way to comfortable with thinking every situation is black and white and there’s no nuance to any of it. It’s fucking internet toughguy bullshit and frankly, getting old.
Jesus dude. Have a hotdog. Your blood sugar is low....
 
Max. Your “source” was there? Or a story passed on like telephone?
Mine was.
That known. Your statement about what to do as a CCW holder who intervenes in such a situation is of the UTMOST importance.

I know 99% what happened.
minus 1 detail. Need cam footage to know 1 exact thing.
that will determine if cop make a good call or a crap one.
yes. Crap calls that lead to an unecessary death happen. And often get swept under the rug. unless you are a junky dying of an overdose….

but none of us know yet.
Unless you work for Arvada PD or the incident team and have seen video or forensic evidence or read the statements. At which point you shouldnt be posting here about it.
 
May be true. I’d take a step back until the rest of the story comes out. ...
Absolutely. When living overseas where several of us learned Arabic, each thinking 'I understood the language', we found out many times to "wait for the (final) translation". What people think they saw or heard may not be correct contextually. Likely only minor differences / some cultural, but often enough to change reality.

Irrespective, a tragedy.
 
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Well I don’t think that given LEO training, anyone in their right mind would believe that pulling a gun and getting involved, around cops is a “safe” thing to do. The smart move, sadly, would be to exfil the scene.

Cops just are not trained to deal with a “good guy with a gun” on the scene of an active shooter.
I agree. You're either a good guy in uniform or you're the bad guy until verified.

My point is, the selfless citizen that was not being paid to act that was killed by police, is diminished when he was the most selfless hero.
 
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Look at it another way, suppose the guy standing there was the shooter. Outwardly in appearance no different than the Samaritan.

Are the Cops responding in obligated to forfeit the tactical advantage of surprise by challenging the shooter first and giving him a chance to kill somebody else? Just in case he's a Samaritan?

IMO this one is on the Samaritan, and all CCW folks. Hero this guy was for coming to the aid of the fallen cop and other citizens in danger, it's still his responsibility to make sure he's not mistaken for a bad guy by LE coming into the area.

That means put the fuckin gun down or away IMMEDIATELY after you put that fucker down and get your hands up.

Cops make plenty of mistakes and this outcome is tragic but I don't see where LE went wrong. You run up on scene of an active shooter see a dead cop, dead civilian, and a guy standing there holding a gun...

Without the benefit of hindsight, be realistic and tell me you're not thinking: "There he is!" 🙄

This is why when I talk to CCW folks or people interested my advice is it's for their safety or those with them.

If you involve yourself in something that doesn't threaten your immediate safety your odds of a friendly fire incident go up exponentially. It's not a badge. If you choose to involve yourself you may well save somebody's life and we'll be a better society having you around, but understand the danger that comes with that choice and the responsibility to make sure you're not mistaken for the bad guy by accident.

Shitty situation all around 😞
 
Always involve yourself if defending innocents against evil.

Just be conscious of your choices.
Which is tough when you adrenaline is pumping and you just experienced a HUGE life changing event.

As a friend (yes buddy, I consider you a friend) said privately today:
“Bad shit can and will always happen in a gunfight, that’s the only thing anyone can count on once lead makes it airborne.”
Precious few have done what he has. So I trust him.
 
Always involve yourself if defending innocents against evil.

Just be conscious of your choices.
Which is tough when you adrenaline is pumping and you just experienced a HUGE life changing event.

As a friend (yes buddy, I consider you a friend) said privately today:
“Bad shit can and will always happen in a gunfight, that’s the only thing anyone can count on once lead makes it airborne.”
Precious few have done what he has. So I trust him.
Great post!

Would I run towards danger? Yes, I think I would.
Do I fully understand the “dangers”?, YES. Cops, they don’t know. They have reports of an active shooter. They want to go home just like I do after turning wrenches for 10 hours.

This is Pandora’s box. I have trained, and taken force on force. Training, I can put 15 shots in the A box at 7 yards in 7-10 seconds. When I do force on force, it’s hard for me to remember even pulling the trigger.
Always involve yourself if defending innocents against evil.

Just be conscious of your choices.
Which is tough when you adrenaline is pumping and you just experienced a HUGE life changing event.

As a friend (yes buddy, I consider you a friend) said privately today:
“Bad shit can and will always happen in a gunfight, that’s the only thing anyone can count on once lead makes it airborne.”
Precious few have done what he has. So I trust him.
Great reply!

Would I run towards danger? Yes, I think I would.
Do I fully understand the “dangers”?, YES, I do, good and bad

Cops, they don’t know. They have reports of an active shooter. That means person with a gun! They want to go home just like I do after a days work

This is Pandora’s box. I have trained, and taken force on force. Training, I can put 15 shots in the A box at 7 yards in 7-10 seconds. When I do force on force, it’s hard for me to remember even pulling the trigger. It’s all a blur when things are coming back at you

I know many “really good cops” and I also know I spend my own money to train 10 times more then they do. One of the things that has always been preached in my training is that “they”( the cops)don’t know I’m the good guy, and because of this, I have actually worked on dropping my gun and hitting the ground to not pose any danger

As has been mentioned, there are unknown details, but I’m pretty confident that when they come out I pray for the officer that was involved in this tragic shooting event as he will probably be the next causality.

@Max, I have never pubalically disagreed with anyone on this site since I became a member, but I personally don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about
 
I think it is going to come down to whether the officer said anything or just shot. And even if he did order the Samaritan to put it down before the officer shot he likely didn't give the Samaritan time to react. I've seen more than a few videos of officers screaming drop the gun as they are firing.

My gut feeling is it will be justified but the jurisdiction will settle out of court for the death of the Samaritan.
 
My gut feeling is it will be justified but the jurisdiction will settle out of court for the death of the Samaritan.

Do you think they'd be so happy to write it off if a civilian shot a plain clothes police under the same circumstances???

Too many times "I felt a twinge in my nuts" is proper "justification" for the police killing somebody, even if they are unarmed.

This is the perfect case to really go after that "we are better than you" and "our lives are worth more than yours" garbage, in a way that would send a message across the country.
 
There's no requirement to say anything.

Given what I described, the assumption is more than reasonable... even if incorrect in this case.

What should come from this, if anything, is better training for CCW folks, I'd love to see more citizens taking the fight to dirtbags but I don't want tragic outcomes as the end result.
 
Probably would have shot him if he was white.🙃
Which one?

The carjacker, the armed citizen or the cop (who may have been white like Zimmerman)?


Here in Tucson it's cool to shoot at Asians if you're the Presiding Judge of Pima County Justice Court and your daughter, "Shotgun Caitlan" who was also "lying in wait for the litterbug" is a Pima County Prosecutor (now 'retired') can delete her cellphone video, resulting in an investigation of Pima County Sheriff Nanos for failing to secure the video or respond to lawful Public Records Requests regarding the incident by local print and TV media........

.......especially if your wife's aunt is Sandra Day O'Connor.......



Justice of the Peace Adam Watters, 59, was placed on paid administrative leave last month and is under investigation for firing what he called a “warning shot” — one that landed inches from an unarmed man on a recent Sunday afternoon outside Watters’ home in the Foothills.
The man, Fei Qin, 38, of Tucson, later was arrested on suspicion of felony stalking for allegedly driving by Watters’ house repeatedly and leaving litter is his yard, public records show.

Qin, a Tucson landlord


TUCSON (KVOA) - A Tucson justice of the peace is back on the bench after firing what he said was a warning shot at a man outside of his home.

Judge Adam Watters said the man had been stalking his family. Now, the News 4 Tucson Investigators have uncovered video of the confrontation between the two men.

Judge Watters has been back at work for two weeks. He was on administrative leave after a Feb. 14 incident when he confronted a man he claimed had been terrorizing his family He captured the confrontation on his cell phone.

The video is 47 seconds long.

In it, Judge Watters is heard saying, "Here he comes." He then comes face to face with 38-year-old Fei Qin.



Adam Watters: "I'm going to blow your (expletive deleted) head off."
As seen and heard on the cell phone, a frustrated and angry Watters told Qin.
Adam Watters: "Get out of the car, get out of the car, I'm going to blow your head off."
Fei Qin: "What are you going to do, shoot me?"
Adam Watters: "Sit right there, sit on the (expletive deleted) ground."
Fei Qin: " Go ahead shoot me."
Adam Watters: "Get on the ground, I'm going too. Get on the (expletive deleted) ground."
Fei qin: "I don't have too"
Adam Watters: "Get on the ground or I'll blow your head off. Get on the ground."
Fei Qin: "I don't have to get on the ground."
Adam Watters: "Yeah you do (expletive deleted) I'm going to shoot your (expletive deleted) right off."
"You've been terrorizing my family and we've had enough. Get on the ground."


The report said Watters fired a warning shot into the ground right next to Qin.
 
I think it is going to come down to whether the officer said anything or just shot. And even if he did order the Samaritan to put it down before the officer shot he likely didn't give the Samaritan time to react. I've seen more than a few videos of officers screaming drop the gun as they are firing.

My gut feeling is it will be justified but the jurisdiction will settle out of court for the death of the Samaritan.
The hero's name is John Hurley

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Here are the answers:

Released video shows part of the shitbag ambushing Officer Beasley, video of the shooting of John Hurley NOT released.

download link to video:

 
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From the document investigators found, written by Troyke:
  • "We the people were never your enemy, but we are now”
  • “This is what you get, you are the people who are expendable”
  • “Hundreds of you pigs should be killed daily”


Not unlike some of the shit we've seen posted by some scum right here in the Bear Pit.
 
I can’t remember where, but a similar thing happened last week. Two people stope from a store and a black man tried to intervene and had the people on the ground. Cops shot the guy dead. I guess its not a good idea to have a gun in plain sight around the police! Eeeekk
 
Look at it another way, suppose the guy standing there was the shooter. Outwardly in appearance no different than the Samaritan.

Are the Cops responding in obligated to forfeit the tactical advantage of surprise by challenging the shooter first and giving him a chance to kill somebody else? Just in case he's a Samaritan?

IMO this one is on the Samaritan, and all CCW folks. Hero this guy was for coming to the aid of the fallen cop and other citizens in danger, it's still his responsibility to make sure he's not mistaken for a bad guy by LE coming into the area.

That means put the fuckin gun down or away IMMEDIATELY after you put that fucker down and get your hands up.

Cops make plenty of mistakes and this outcome is tragic but I don't see where LE went wrong. You run up on scene of an active shooter see a dead cop, dead civilian, and a guy standing there holding a gun...

Without the benefit of hindsight, be realistic and tell me you're not thinking: "There he is!" 🙄

This is why when I talk to CCW folks or people interested my advice is it's for their safety or those with them.

If you involve yourself in something that doesn't threaten your immediate safety your odds of a friendly fire incident go up exponentially. It's not a badge. If you choose to involve yourself you may well save somebody's life and we'll be a better society having you around, but understand the danger that comes with that choice and the responsibility to make sure you're not mistaken for the bad guy by accident.

Shitty situation all around 😞

The police never have the option of surprise. That's how innocent people get dead. Every fucking time.


Their job is to try and deescalate.

They don't get to shoot first and ask question later.

They get paid and trained to arrest people. Shooting should be a last resort, not a reflex.
 
The police never have the option of surprise. That's how innocent people get dead. Every fucking time.


Their job is to try and deescalate.

They don't get to shoot first and ask question later.

They get paid and trained to arrest people. Shooting should be a last resort, not a reflex.
You know this from all your years in LE is that it?

Adrenaline does funky shit to people, ever hear of auditory exclusion? Of course you have, Mr. Expert.

So riddle me this, if you have an average, or gasp, perhaps even below average cop that arrives first and their HR is at 200+ BP is 200/100+ and they're full on primed on adrenaline and they shout Police drop it will they even hear you say, "I'm on your side! He's the bad guy!"?

There's been countless instances of blue on blue getting thumped or killed either off duty or plain clothes, way more often than a good Samaritan has gotten mixed up in the fray.

You know what the takeaway has been? How the training has evolved? The responsibility to make sure the guys coming in don't mistake you for the bad guy is put on the UC/Plain Clothes guys. Always.

Cops aren't mind readers if you're holding a gun when they run up at the scene of a shooting I'd say your odds of getting shot are better than 50/50 in favor of being shot yourself.

I'm not saying that's right, I'm saying it's reality. Cry about it all you want you'll be hard pressed to change it and as far as the objectively reasonable standard it's not a high bar to meet in those circumstances.

I want to see citizens engage active shooters, and as soon as badguy is down... put the fuckin gun away and get your hands up and do whatever the hell you're told when the cavalry arrives. Sort out the details later.

Don't be standing over a body admiring your marksmanship or finger fucking the bad guys rifle or this is the shit that can happen.

Be smart, ASSUME the first guy who gets there isn't well trained or maybe it's his first day, and that you aren't going to get the cold as ice under pressure veteran that recognizes the 1/100 situation for what it is in the half a second he gets to evaluate it.
 
Don't be standing over a body admiring your marksmanship or finger fucking the bad guys rifle or this is the shit that can happen.
Sorry, I didn't see the video of the cop who shot the hero, John Hurley, after Hurley stopped piece-of-shit murderer of Officer Beasley.

Did they release that one now?

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^^^^this is the ambush by the piece-of-shit murderer of Officer Beasley.

 
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The police never have the option of surprise. That's how innocent people get dead. Every fucking time.


Their job is to try and deescalate.

They don't get to shoot first and ask question later.

They get paid and trained to arrest people. Shooting should be a last resort, not a reflex.
You're a fucking idiot.

Police have a duty to give a warning, "where feasible". If someone is actively stabbing you, do you want the cop to stand there and give a warning, "stop stabbing, or I'll shoot", OR would you want the cop to just shoot that person stabbing you?
 
The police never have the option of surprise. That's how innocent people get dead. Every fucking time.


Their job is to try and deescalate.

They don't get to shoot first and ask question later.

They get paid and trained to arrest people. Shooting should be a last resort, not a reflex.
I spy someone who needs a caselaw refresher on deadly force application…

Obviously I’m not saying this is an acceptable outcome. I hate that the good guy got killed. The officer will (at least statistically) likely end up taking his own life over this.

Awful, but (very likely) lawful under the circumstances.
 
You're a fucking idiot.

Police have a duty to give a warning, "where feasible". If someone is actively stabbing you, do you want the cop to stand there and give a warning, "stop stabbing, or I'll shoot", OR would you want the cop to just shoot that person stabbing you?
His post proves he’s just as clueless as the usual morons demanding LE shoot people in the legs instead of center mass.
 
We did what we called “Quad” training. Basically training for active shooter situations

Part of that training involved a scenario where the “CCW holder” “Good Guy” took out the suspect, was standing over the suspect, weapon shouldered or activity firing.

Guess what, most LEO shot the guy.

There was zero way to tell the difference between the actual shooter or the “hero” finishing off the suspect

That’s exactly why if your in this scenario you do the job and put down the weapon

Assume the officer coming in the door will shoot the first person they see killing what appears to be a innocent civilian. Because that’s exactly what he intends to do

Absolutely tragic situation but it’s easy to see how it unfolds. And I doubt the officer who killed this hero feels at all good about this decision
 
We did what we called “Quad” training. Basically training for active shooter situations

Part of that training involved a scenario where the “CCW holder” “Good Guy” took out the suspect, was standing over the suspect, weapon shouldered or activity firing.

Guess what, most LEO shot the guy.

There was zero way to tell the difference between the actual shooter or the “hero” finishing off the suspect

That’s exactly why if your in this scenario you do the job and put down the weapon

Assume the officer coming in the door will shoot the first person they see killing what appears to be a innocent civilian. Because that’s exactly what he intends to do

Absolutely tragic situation but it’s easy to see how it unfolds. And I doubt the officer who killed this hero feels at all good about this decision
I feel for you, having to excuse the death of a hero, killed by someone who signed up to stand for good over evil, is never going to be anything but a bitter pill to swallow.

"Transparency" and "support for a brother officer" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

The best thing would be to release a video or still image of the murdered hero, who ran to the aid of a fallen officer without hesitation, showing him holding the weapon of the shit-bag who murdered Beasley in a cold-blooded ambush.

In the f@c&ing back no less...

The green highlight of Arvada Army Navy Surplus shows the point of departure of the slain hero, obviously heading toward the cop-killer's location, as shown in the released video designated by the red arrow in the image below.

I'm not going to take the time to ID every security cam visible in a simple google street view review, if this is even remotely excusable, in exigent circumstances under heightened vigilance, release the video.

Lack of transparency and candor is not exculpatory.

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Did they release that one now?
They (Arvada) don't have body cams, so if that's what you're waiting on like it's some kind of end all it's not coming.

I believe it came from one of their briefings. I'm not saying that makes it any less tragic, it's still a shit sandwich.

Here's the difference, though, LE has been getting active shooter training since Columbine, I'm glad CCW is starting to get involved but let's be realistic...

IF they're going to step up in these situations, a 10hr class and a permit ain't going to cut it.

This situations are so dangerous I'm not sure we have the vocabulary to describe them and to expect citizens with a day or a weekend of training to jump into them and interact with LE seamlessly and without tragedy is fucking ridiculous.

I'd like to see more citizens invited to LE active shooter training events and set scenarios like this up. Give the citizens opportunities for stress innoculation if they plan to respond and make sure they put the gun down when the shooting is over so when the cops come charging in they're not mistaken for the bad guy.

IMO there's no way to train this away, it's always going to happen, you just flat out can't be holding a gun when everyone shows up looking for a bad guy holding a gun 🤦🏼‍♂️