So my boss recently finds out one of the employees carries. He calls me into his office and asks if I knew about it. I did but told him I hadn't noticed, to which he ask what I would think about him forbidding carrying while at work. I told him I wasn't sure if he could do anything about it, law-wise except maybe not allowing it inside the office. He would probably shit a brick if he knew out of 7 techs, I know for sure 3 of them carry and I'm about to start myself. Any thoughts?
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How well do you know and trust your co-workers?
How many employees?
Private business or Corporation satellite office? A lot of “what ifs” go into this.
I’d personally ask him to consider mandating carry … LOL
How many employees?
Private business or Corporation satellite office? A lot of “what ifs” go into this.
I’d personally ask him to consider mandating carry … LOL
If anything happens and you carrying could have saved a life, is he willing to take the blame for that?
Boss needs to worry more about the business and less about what the men have in their pants.
Boss needs to worry more about the business and less about what the men have in their pants.
What the fuck do you mean about to? And concealed means that. No bragging about it, no gun measuring contests.
Dummy up, don’t discuss anything with anyone any further. Do what you need to do to protect yourself and divulge nothing to anyone.
When management asks inappropriate questions, respond with an inappropriate question. This is where you can get really creative.... How well do you suck Dick, does your spouse like anal.
It's doubtful anybody will ask you an inappropriate question again
CO is the only place I've lived that requires a permit, I've never bothered to get a permit and actually don't believe it's constitutional to require one. I mean 2A doesn't say "right to keep and bare, as long as you have a permit"
It depends on what kind of work it is in my opinion. My company has a rule against it as well. That said for a while I was leaving my gun in the car, which I hated doing. Because of not wanting to leave a gun in my car I bought a Vertex sling bag and just carry that in with me. It's not a perfect solution but it's a good compromise. No one is going to inspect my personal bag so I don't think about it anymore.
The problem is I am management, and he is the owner, he has no people skills and often asks my opinion on how to deal with various employee issues.
He might want to keep his job.
Not being caught off guard like you were, I'd say "I wouldnt know anything about that, boss, but many people take their rights very peersonally. Now can I go back to work?"
NY gives you mandatory 5 years carrying without a NY carry permit. I have yet to see any supreme court justices put a stop on any gun control state laws. 2A looks and sounds good in the Constitution but loses its luster in the real world. NJ is about to pass law that you can't have a loaded gun in your own home. Gun and ammo must be locked in separate areas in your home, how crazy is that.
Pretty much, I’d just say it’s a constitutional right and seems like a battle we [the tiny company] might not to want to fight, maybe mention a few companies who got woke and went broke
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Is the owner more on the fence about allowing employees to carry or is he adamantly against it in his business?
If he values your opinion on issues related to the company, use it to your advantage in persuading him towards allowing it.
If he values your opinion on issues related to the company, use it to your advantage in persuading him towards allowing it.
tell him to go with “don’t ask, don’t tell”
I believe that it is his right to not allow weapons of whatever sort in his business. I think it would be incredibly stupid of him to do so, but it is his right. Businesses should be able to make whatever dumbass rules for their employees and customers. Don’t want to bake the homos a cake, fine. You just have to deal with the fallout when half or more of your good employees walk because you tried to make them less safe and banned them from carrying. That being said, carrying a gun is some real secret squirrel stuff, not water cooler chat.
Suggest to your boss that a good team building day might be a 300-500 round count defensive pistol class with a competent trainer.
My advice to you and him is to forget you knew and had that conversation and let it be.
If he feels he must blow up the bloody non-issue, than suggest he provide a defensive pistol course at a local range on him.
The business can restrict carry in the building and the employees would have little to no recourse. They could carry inside anyway and risk immediate termination if caught. In TX a company cannot restrict its employees from having a gun in their vehicle while parked on company property.
First rule of concealed carry is don't talk about concealed carry (at work).
Every workplace I worked at forbid carry. I carried at every workplace I worked. Concealed. Never talked about it
Hospitals absolutely hate the Second Amendment. Ask anybody working in health care: It's all lawyers and Administrators now, Providers and patients have their hands tied completely at the whim of the suits.
If you carry, never once mention it. Ever. In fact don't even talk ABOUT guns, hunting, shooting, or any of that. So fucking woke. Glad I retired.
If you carry, never once mention it. Ever. In fact don't even talk ABOUT guns, hunting, shooting, or any of that. So fucking woke. Glad I retired.
Ask him if freedom is more important than making a profit.
As far as "carrying" I asked a local VA hospital Police Officer about carrying a knife inside the facility/hospital. Dude straight up said there's no law preventing people from having them on their person. Said he wasn't going to search people nor require people to surrender the item in question. Said the signs out front "preventing" weapons from being inside the facility were not enforceable without a law to use for enforcement. LMAO
I would go this route. If you are a manager, this is an opportunity to show leadership as long as you trust your team. Tell the owner that you think there are several guys carrying and you have an idea.
Tell the owner that they are a good crew and the best way to boost morale and build loyalty to the company is to let them carry. This can almost be thought of as a benefit. You might be able to save a few pennies come raise time if you have this benefit to offer. If a guy is allowed to carry on the job and his bosses are all cool with it, that guy is going to want to stay at that job and do good work. Tell him that the market is so competitive that this will help keep the crew from going and looking at other jobs. I mean really there are so many things to list as good reasons, I could go on all day, just list them out.
Tell him you will take care of the ground rules and make sure everyone follows them. This will also build trust with your team and they will respect you if you campaigned for them to be able to carry. So if you pull it off, it's a win win for everyone but especially you as you will be respected as a leader by the crew and the owner.
This should only be done if you trust your team. If you have a retard in the group...don't do this! Also, don't do this if you think the owner will freak out because this could backfire. Only attempt this if the owner might be willing to say yes.
I reckon Im lucky, my boss has his CCW.
Im not supposed to carry most of the places I go for work but hey, thats why they call it 'concealed'.
Im not supposed to carry most of the places I go for work but hey, thats why they call it 'concealed'.
As mentioned, a lot of what-ifs, mostly structured around the owners mindset on guns. I'm assuming if he was die hard agains guns he wouldn't have even asked your opinion. This sounds more like someone who just doesn't have any experience with firearms and can only go on what he hears (media, facebook, etc.). If that is the case, it may be a good opportunity to educate him and make him more comfortable around firearms. If he is willing, I would take him to the range one day and teach him firearm safety and let him shoot, and then once he has a better grasp of the situation, then have a better discussion about workplace CCWs.
There could be much more to the situation but I wouldn't assume he is a card carrying member of "Every Town for Gun Safety" just because he asked. Not really a reason at this point to alienate or push him in the wrong direction by telling him to mind his business or asking him "does your spouse like anal."
There could be much more to the situation but I wouldn't assume he is a card carrying member of "Every Town for Gun Safety" just because he asked. Not really a reason at this point to alienate or push him in the wrong direction by telling him to mind his business or asking him "does your spouse like anal."
I'd be very careful about that one. Federal property typically doesn't allow firearms anywhere on the property, and there definitely ARE laws in place. Maybe no way for him to immediately enforce the rule, but if you get caught or have to use it, probably would run into issues.
§1.218 VA Policy
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.
Fines:
(37) Possession of firearms, carried either openly or concealed, whether loaded or unloaded (except by Federal or State law enforcement officers on official business), $500.
(38) Introduction or possession of explosives, or explosive devices which fire a projectile, ammunition, or combustibles, $500.
(39) Possession of knives which exceed a blade length of 3 inches; switchblade knives; any of the variety of hatchets, clubs and hand-held weapons; or brass knuckles, $300.
I would not rat out your fellow employees. Personally I would suggest to the boss that if the employee is safety minded, let him keep it concealed. Tell him it would be a safety feature, in the rare event that a criminal came onto the business and started shooting or attacking persons.
I just say “are you planning on attacking me”? Because the only person who is worried if someone else can defend themself, probably has a victimizers mindset.
Or just a simple “that’s a stupid question” and walk away.
The more I think about this post, with how much of a job seekers market it is right now, and being a small business, owner needs to wake up and not stir the shit with his employees who could probably get a better paying gig inside of a few days.
Once a manager or owner ASKS bout it, and Once it is known, that people are carrying, One suddenly steps across the line. Now the Company needs a written policy, and assumes certain risks and responsibilities with knowing employees are carrying, either with or without permission. Suddenly, does he need liability insurance? What about if an employee shoots someone A. in self-defences, B. Defense of others, C. Defence of property, D. Negligently, or E. by Accident? Gotten a legal opinion from both his own insurance, attorney, or the State Atty Gen'l?
It becomes a snarled tangle, especially when there is so much variance between quality of experience or training, or attitude (Rights aside, half the people I know I would NEVER go anywhere with them, if I knew they were carrying. (Nice people wrong background, experience attitude or ability)
It would probably be better if he and you just agreed that that conversation never occurred, or go through all the rigamarole, or post a notice on the door, and in the employee break room and a stuffer in their pay envelope, that carry concealed or otherwise on premises is prohibited.
On private property that is open to the public, it is all based on how much you as an owner want to risk, and assume in the way or responsibility or liability.
Attorneys will NOT give you a direct answer, they will hem and haw all around the question.
It becomes a snarled tangle, especially when there is so much variance between quality of experience or training, or attitude (Rights aside, half the people I know I would NEVER go anywhere with them, if I knew they were carrying. (Nice people wrong background, experience attitude or ability)
It would probably be better if he and you just agreed that that conversation never occurred, or go through all the rigamarole, or post a notice on the door, and in the employee break room and a stuffer in their pay envelope, that carry concealed or otherwise on premises is prohibited.
On private property that is open to the public, it is all based on how much you as an owner want to risk, and assume in the way or responsibility or liability.
Attorneys will NOT give you a direct answer, they will hem and haw all around the question.
It’s his business and he should be able to decide how he wants his business carried out. My employer, in Texas, will fire you if you carry or have in vehicle on company property. More than 1000 people work there. Probably 80% carry on their own time. Who knows if anyone breaks the rules. Have heard of one being caught when searched at entry in last 15 yrs. The guy who got singled out is not doing a good job at concealment and has opened the potential can if worms. You need to talk to that guy, if anyone.
Please provide some additional on this.
And the bastards will hem and haw for as long as youre dumb enough to pay them to do it..
Should have listened to my father and studied law.
If me carrying becomes an issue, there are already far bigger issues afoot.
In Texas, they cannot prevent you from having the weapon in your car provided the vehicle is locked, firearm not in view.
They can forbid it in the building.
Labor Code 52.061
New York does not recognize out-of-state gun licenses, so it is also important to note that a gun registered anywhere outside the State of New York is illegal if brought into New York or New York City without obtaining a state or city license.
Even if a gun is stowed in a locked case and the visitor is merely passing through the state (which has had dire implications for some air travelers), a gun is illegal if not registered in the proper New York state or city jurisdictions. Even possession of an unloaded gun may result in a felony arrest; a gun must be “operable,” but it does not need to be loaded to trigger an arrest.
NY has a tier system from 1 year depending how they charge you and then it goes 7,15 and 25 years.
Since they don't have bail you should be released rather quickly before a trial.
Sounds like a violation of 18 USC 926A
Whats strange most of the sentences are 1 year in jail and then the rest you serve in prison.
I work for a company that forbids firearms at work. Yet, another company in our building...is AWESOME. They've left a note on a few doors of other companies that said "if you have active shooter, better have us on speed-dial, we'll save you." And the owner let it be known (to me) EVERYBODY in the office is armed...women especially. Guy's are really cool. Company is privately owned of course.
Our company forbids weapons on the premises. It's well known I carry as do a couple of others. The boss said if they searched our car and it were found, we'd be terminated. I reminded them that we have a specific law in this state that forbids an employer from barring it in our cars even on private property and I'm also not letting anyone without a legitimate warrant go through my car. It's really been a nonissue since then and my boss even said he's following me in the event of an active shooter scenario.
Every place I've worked has had this sign on the door. I will always carry a weapon in my car at the least.
They get away with it because of ports on property. There are likely similar places.
Here in FL, it would be unlawful to not let employees conceal carry at job.
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