New CHAD clone from Preece.
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Let's be honest here.... Every brake this style over the past decade or so has been a slightly modified version of the APA bastard brake. 99% of the firearms industry is slightly modified older designs with very little originality.
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We agree on this
Seriously please reward the guy who did the work to design the original or we won’t see innovation
Is it a attempted rip off? Other than the multi segment tig weld VS monolithic construction is the only similarity.
Try this. People in the community have long memories. You, being a prime example.
The launch of the Chad was a blunder, that really turned a lot of people off. Yes, BJ had a lot going on with injuries and getting moved out of the country, etc. but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of guys didn't get what they paid a lot of money for for a long time.
The Morgun King Edition brake was also a mess, and there are a number of guys who were friends with Morgun who felt like BJ just dragged his name through the mud, and it really pissed some people off.
Further, BJ's social accounts are kind of cringey, and it turns some people off
Baffle strikes. I know three guys who've had them. "Strike Every Baffle Without Warning".
A lot of people like Garrett. A lot of people don't like BJ. Go figure.
BJ has operated forever with weird payments. In 2022 when asking about a TMB, the payment was super vague, and seriously - who's operating a business with payments via Zelle? Just get stripe and a US bank account and pay taxes maybe? Garrett's always been a lot easier to buy from. Yes, BJ finally got a site up and a payment gateway but man, it felt shady for a long time.
What's more is that this isn't even the same design. It's just welded ports together. The Baffle stack is completely different. Comparing it to buying a fake Louis Vuitton bag? More like choosing to buy a Coach bag because screw having a bag covered in "LV", and you like the design of something else.
To top it off, Garrett actually manufactures his own stuff. BJ has other machine shops make his stuff in the USA and then charges his own profits on top of it. His TMB costs to manufacture were upwards of $200, and he was always having issues finding machine shops to do it, so his production has been unstable at best. Garrett does the stuff in house, on his own equipment. Sheesh, BJ could have bought a CNC machine and run a business on it, but resorted to having other people do the work and charging a fortune, even for the TMB.
Maybe be a little less confused at other people making their own decisions for themselves based on what they want, who they want to support, and what kind of money they're willing to spend.
Yes we have long memories and Garrett will never see a dollar from me. And yeah offering a poor version of a quality (now) product and basically stealing lessons learned. And they are doing a half assed job of copying and selling it at the nearly the price of the quality item.
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Different baffle designs is innovation... If one proves to be more effective than the other, innovation is winning. Ideas are cheap, execution is not. Whoever implements an idea better deserves more of my business.
Is anyone throwing a hissy fit over TBAC and Recoil-X expanding on the concepts Area 419's Maverick? Did they "steal" Area 419's idea, or iterate and improve on it, with lowered cost/different performance? Did they "copy" Area 419?
We don't see the drama, because Area 419 doesn't care, and has other products. We do see the drama here, because the owner of SWOW is making noise, and has no other business verticals beyond a single product/idea. Anyone who expects to hold a competitive edge forever on one concept, isn't familiar with business lifecycles. Companies like Area 419 embrace it and continue to innovate in other areas and produce other products. Companies like SWOW aren't able to scale, and it's not because of other people "stealing" their ideas. BJ hasn't invested in other verticals or production when given the chance.
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Is it a full moon or something?
The precision rifle community seems extra pissy lately...
The precision rifle community seems extra pissy lately...
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Business is a bitch. The chad works great. It is expensive. I see the value, i don't complain. I seriously have went from 0 to 5 of them in about a month. There will definitely be more than one company creating a similar concept.
I do a lot of motorcycle roadracing, and "copying" concepts happens every day. I run an oilpan, yes you read that right, an oilpan, that costs $7500 Euros. People have tried to replicate, but it never worked as good. It is never ending. It never will be either.
I do not know the owner of SWOW, but he always answers the phone, and the email. These days, that is a plus for me. I remember stuff like that. I'm about ready to sell all my A419 breaks once i get ahold of a .30Cal Chad to see how it tames 300 PRC.
I do a lot of motorcycle roadracing, and "copying" concepts happens every day. I run an oilpan, yes you read that right, an oilpan, that costs $7500 Euros. People have tried to replicate, but it never worked as good. It is never ending. It never will be either.
I do not know the owner of SWOW, but he always answers the phone, and the email. These days, that is a plus for me. I remember stuff like that. I'm about ready to sell all my A419 breaks once i get ahold of a .30Cal Chad to see how it tames 300 PRC.
Did ya play tummy sticks too?
How dare you, Kevin B is a God among engineers(sarcasm)
I bought the Preece brake to give it a try. I was currently using the APA fat bastard. I made a video of me and a buddy practicing one shot drills, This is not a review of the Preece brake. Thought I would post the video here in case anyone wanted to see the muzzle rise while I was shooting the brake. Again, this is not a review of the brake. Watch and see from a few different positional shooting positions as we don't practice on the most stable props.
Took me a minute to realize the first gun is using the APA and the other gun was the Stinger.
You are a bitter sum bitch ya know that? Get over yourself.
Shot ur Chad today, feels no different than a DN5 that it was swapped with.
Good observation. That's my buddy shooting the APA, he has a lot of time behind his rifle and the APA for sure. I'm shooting a match with the Preece this weekend, and I'll make my mind up about it. So far, I like it.
What bullets/cartridges you both firing? Yours seems to stay flatter by a long shot, but that'd a dumb point to make if you're shooting .223 and he's shooting a Creedmoor or something.
It appeared in the side profile clips, the Preece had notably less muzzle jump VS the apa gen3.
Fat bastards on sale now. Get them before they run out.
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It doesn't bother me, or I don't notice it. I don't feel a blast.
The DN5 , FB3 and 419 all have significantly more blast to the shooter. The chad is not as good as some others but its more pleasant to shoot over 2 days and the muzzle jump is different. Recoil reduction is only one aspect of what matters IMO. How fast and how far your reticle moves is more important I think.
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I'm no fanboi, but I will admit that when picking up brass at a match next to a shooter, the Chad has a windier concussion in general compared to the baseball-bat-to-the-face that others have, especially MPA's brakes. I hate those things.
I will have the trigger cam running for the match this weekend as well as a go pro. Good or bad it'll all be documented ( I do it for myself, but happy for others to get something from it if they can) for me to review after the fact. Shoot, I'm so new to PRS I am still trying to figure out how much pressure I like to have on the rifle.
Concussion is a huge part of it. When shooting suppressed, regardless of muzzle movement being more with a longer recoil impulse, I do seem to see more or the same shooting suppressed. Thats definitely due to the concussion or in the suppressed case, lack of concussion.
Been shooting 1 day matches suppressed and 2 day matches with a brake this year.
Been shooting 1 day matches suppressed and 2 day matches with a brake this year.
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I agree @jthor . As much as I like the CHAD, dealing with constant migraines and pressure headaches and then shooting brakes over a 2 day just beats the shit out of me. I pay for it for days. The VA has had me on every migraine rx and still cant figure it out.
I just ordered a competition can to give suppressed shooting a shot. I may have to switch to shooting suppressed just for my sanity going forward.
I just ordered a competition can to give suppressed shooting a shot. I may have to switch to shooting suppressed just for my sanity going forward.
Yup. Why I have bought three suppressors this year. With the short approval times it’s simple.
I am in the same boat, my kids don’t even want to be around brakes now that they have shot suppressed. My daughter is highly susceptible to Migraines and loves the CAT JL even with it’s length.
Funny part is the Chad weighs more than my can and the can is only about 2” longer. Not going for any podiums at this point in my shooting so going to have fun and not have head aches.
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