New CHAD clone from Preece.
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Let's be honest here.... Every brake this style over the past decade or so has been a slightly modified version of the APA bastard brake. 99% of the firearms industry is slightly modified older designs with very little originality.
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We agree on this
Seriously please reward the guy who did the work to design the original or we won’t see innovation
Is it a attempted rip off? Other than the multi segment tig weld VS monolithic construction is the only similarity.
Try this. People in the community have long memories. You, being a prime example.
The launch of the Chad was a blunder, that really turned a lot of people off. Yes, BJ had a lot going on with injuries and getting moved out of the country, etc. but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of guys didn't get what they paid a lot of money for for a long time.
The Morgun King Edition brake was also a mess, and there are a number of guys who were friends with Morgun who felt like BJ just dragged his name through the mud, and it really pissed some people off.
Further, BJ's social accounts are kind of cringey, and it turns some people off
Baffle strikes. I know three guys who've had them. "Strike Every Baffle Without Warning".
A lot of people like Garrett. A lot of people don't like BJ. Go figure.
BJ has operated forever with weird payments. In 2022 when asking about a TMB, the payment was super vague, and seriously - who's operating a business with payments via Zelle? Just get stripe and a US bank account and pay taxes maybe? Garrett's always been a lot easier to buy from. Yes, BJ finally got a site up and a payment gateway but man, it felt shady for a long time.
What's more is that this isn't even the same design. It's just welded ports together. The Baffle stack is completely different. Comparing it to buying a fake Louis Vuitton bag? More like choosing to buy a Coach bag because screw having a bag covered in "LV", and you like the design of something else.
To top it off, Garrett actually manufactures his own stuff. BJ has other machine shops make his stuff in the USA and then charges his own profits on top of it. His TMB costs to manufacture were upwards of $200, and he was always having issues finding machine shops to do it, so his production has been unstable at best. Garrett does the stuff in house, on his own equipment. Sheesh, BJ could have bought a CNC machine and run a business on it, but resorted to having other people do the work and charging a fortune, even for the TMB.
Maybe be a little less confused at other people making their own decisions for themselves based on what they want, who they want to support, and what kind of money they're willing to spend.
Yes we have long memories and Garrett will never see a dollar from me. And yeah offering a poor version of a quality (now) product and basically stealing lessons learned. And they are doing a half assed job of copying and selling it at the nearly the price of the quality item.
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Different baffle designs is innovation... If one proves to be more effective than the other, innovation is winning. Ideas are cheap, execution is not. Whoever implements an idea better deserves more of my business.
Is anyone throwing a hissy fit over TBAC and Recoil-X expanding on the concepts Area 419's Maverick? Did they "steal" Area 419's idea, or iterate and improve on it, with lowered cost/different performance? Did they "copy" Area 419?
We don't see the drama, because Area 419 doesn't care, and has other products. We do see the drama here, because the owner of SWOW is making noise, and has no other business verticals beyond a single product/idea. Anyone who expects to hold a competitive edge forever on one concept, isn't familiar with business lifecycles. Companies like Area 419 embrace it and continue to innovate in other areas and produce other products. Companies like SWOW aren't able to scale, and it's not because of other people "stealing" their ideas. BJ hasn't invested in other verticals or production when given the chance.
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Is it a full moon or something?
The precision rifle community seems extra pissy lately...
The precision rifle community seems extra pissy lately...
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Business is a bitch. The chad works great. It is expensive. I see the value, i don't complain. I seriously have went from 0 to 5 of them in about a month. There will definitely be more than one company creating a similar concept.
I do a lot of motorcycle roadracing, and "copying" concepts happens every day. I run an oilpan, yes you read that right, an oilpan, that costs $7500 Euros. People have tried to replicate, but it never worked as good. It is never ending. It never will be either.
I do not know the owner of SWOW, but he always answers the phone, and the email. These days, that is a plus for me. I remember stuff like that. I'm about ready to sell all my A419 breaks once i get ahold of a .30Cal Chad to see how it tames 300 PRC.
I do a lot of motorcycle roadracing, and "copying" concepts happens every day. I run an oilpan, yes you read that right, an oilpan, that costs $7500 Euros. People have tried to replicate, but it never worked as good. It is never ending. It never will be either.
I do not know the owner of SWOW, but he always answers the phone, and the email. These days, that is a plus for me. I remember stuff like that. I'm about ready to sell all my A419 breaks once i get ahold of a .30Cal Chad to see how it tames 300 PRC.
