Out of the box problems with my ZCO 527

#51
koshkin said:
Personally, I would try it in a different mount before sending it over to ZCO.

ILya
Click to expand...

Could have sworn there was a thread noting how the Spuhr ring design can have inaccurate torques... Found some info you dropped last year

From another thread:
koshkin said:
Conical head screws in Spuhr mounts occasionally werak havoc on optics. They pull the ring halves laterally when the machining is not perfect. That creates shear stress on the scope tube. Most of the time Spuhr mounts work fine, but as far as expensive mounts go, I have seen more problems with Spuhr mounts that with all the rest combined and not by a small margin.

ILya
Click to expand...


I also see from the paint pen marking on my old tool box that 10+ years ago, the ring torque for Spuhrs were less. I have it noted 15 in lbs with no more than 17 in lbs on my list.
 
  • Like
Reactions: lash
#52
DairyDictator said:
This ladies and gents is exactly why you should thoroughly test any and all new equipment before a match, and refuse to run new gear on the clock.
Click to expand...
An unfortunate corollary is; “you’ll never really find a problem with your gear until you’re on the clock.”

Another; “you haven’t thoroughly tested your gear until you’ve had a goat rodeo at a match.”

Not related to DairyDictator, but germane to the thread…
IMG_7364.jpeg
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: lash, kthomas, oldrifleman and 1 other person
#54
hlee said:
An unfortunate corollary is; “you’ll never really find a problem with your gear until you’re on the clock.”

Another; “you haven’t thoroughly tested your gear until you’ve had a goat rodeo at a match.”

Not related to DairyDictator, but germane to the thread…
View attachment 8695683
Click to expand...
Hornady is not a well respected manufacture with a long track record of excellence. In fact they are the opposite. Their bullets suck, their ammo went to shit during COVID and they steal everything , manufacture in China and then use a large marketing budget to push the shit on big box stores and social media.

Big difference. Good companies get the benefit of the doubt and as we are seeing this thread develop, it's just proving everything I said was correct.
 
  • Like
Reactions: oldrifleman
#59
I think right now a419 makes the best mount on the market. They are also priced better than most. Machining is flawless. Interference fit with accessories, steel index pins to ensure alignment and machines bore post anodizing. Very well thought out and executed product.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Taylorbok, Simonsza1, Usmcgeek and 1 other person
#60
oldrifleman said:
My latest scope went into A419 rings and I really like them. My other ZCOs are in the ZCO Block Mounts they are also really great.
Click to expand...
I've seen ZCO mounts and they look to be well designed. However, I have not used them.

I have three Area 419 mounts at the moment. I think two of them have 5-25x and 7-35x Tangents in them. The other one is a cantilevered mount with Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42 in it.

I am exceedingly happy with all three mounts them.

ILya
 
  • Like
Reactions: Usmcgeek
#61
This thread contains a sequence of back&forth repeated all too often on SH, often involving the same screen names.

Once upon a time, I was the senior guy on a newly-formed 6-person system support team. Also on the team were two younger but very competent guys and a not-very-competent but very well-spoken and very well-endowed woman who was, for those reasons (pun definitely intended), very good at getting guys to go along with her imaginative but clueless ideas. I got so sick of trying to talk sense into group discussions that I pretty much quit being calm when she went off on some screwball tangent.

One day, my manager called me in and told me very directly: "It doesn't matter if you're right. You've alienated your entire team. They don't want to work with you. Fix it or you're toast."

So I did. I wish somebody had told me WAY earlier in life that being a factually-correct asshole was an influence-limiting and therefore career-limiting mistake.

OP, there are people on SH who are knowledgeable but seemingly driven to be colossal assholes. They cannot seem to offer input without denigrating people they see as "less." At the end of it, they themselves become less - or nothing - to the community, but they don't learn.
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: Charger442, bigbuckslayer3, J_D and 9 others
#63
DownhillFromHere said:
This thread contains a sequence of back&forth repeated all too often on SH, often involving the same screen names.

Once upon a time, I was the senior guy on a newly-formed 6-person system support team. Also on the team were two younger but very competent guys and a not-very-competent but very well-spoken and very well-endowed woman who was, for those reasons (pun definitely intended), very good at getting guys to go along with her imaginative but clueless ideas. I got so sick of trying to talk sense into group discussions that I pretty much quit being calm when she went off on some screwball tangent.

One day, my manager called me in and told me very directly: "It doesn't matter if you're right. You've alienated your entire team. They don't want to work with you. Fix it or you're toast."

So I did. I wish somebody had told me WAY earlier in life that being a factually-correct asshole was an influence-limiting and therefore career-limiting mistake.

OP, there are people on SH who are knowledgeable but seemingly driven to be colossal assholes. They cannot seem to offer input without denigrating people they see as "less." At the end of it, they themselves become less - or nothing - to the community, but they don't learn.
Click to expand...
IMG_7366.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: DownhillFromHere and dms416
#64
DownhillFromHere said:
This thread contains a sequence of back&forth repeated all too often on SH, often involving the same screen names.

Once upon a time, I was the senior guy on a newly-formed 6-person system support team. Also on the team were two younger but very competent guys and a not-very-competent but very well-spoken and very well-endowed woman who was, for those reasons (pun definitely intended), very good at getting guys to go along with her imaginative but clueless ideas. I got so sick of trying to talk sense into group discussions that I pretty much quit being calm when she went off on some screwball tangent.

One day, my manager called me in and told me very directly: "It doesn't matter if you're right. You've alienated your entire team. They don't want to work with you. Fix it or you're toast."

So I did. I wish somebody had told me WAY earlier in life that being a factually-correct asshole was an influence-limiting and therefore career-limiting mistake.

OP, there are people on SH who are knowledgeable but seemingly driven to be colossal assholes. They cannot seem to offer input without denigrating people they see as "less." At the end of it, they themselves become less - or nothing - to the community, but they don't learn.
Click to expand...
Well said
 
  • Like
Reactions: lash
#66
DownhillFromHere said:
This thread contains a sequence of back&forth repeated all too often on SH, often involving the same screen names.

Once upon a time, I was the senior guy on a newly-formed 6-person system support team. Also on the team were two younger but very competent guys and a not-very-competent but very well-spoken and very well-endowed woman who was, for those reasons (pun definitely intended), very good at getting guys to go along with her imaginative but clueless ideas. I got so sick of trying to talk sense into group discussions that I pretty much quit being calm when she went off on some screwball tangent.

One day, my manager called me in and told me very directly: "It doesn't matter if you're right. You've alienated your entire team. They don't want to work with you. Fix it or you're toast."

So I did. I wish somebody had told me WAY earlier in life that being a factually-correct asshole was an influence-limiting and therefore career-limiting mistake.

OP, there are people on SH who are knowledgeable but seemingly driven to be colossal assholes. They cannot seem to offer input without denigrating people they see as "less." At the end of it, they themselves become less - or nothing - to the community, but they don't learn.
Click to expand...
Solid reminder why once companies leave the Founder, “asshole”, phase things become bloated, slow and expensive. Probably why everyone uses European and Asian products once the product is more complex than a chunk of metal with holes.
 
#74
DeathBeforeDismount said:
I know its a weird ask but I would love to know the percentage of people that call up complaining about an optic failure compared to user error/other equipment/ect.
Click to expand...
roughly 1 out of 10 calls to most riflescope companies is an actual scope problem and I am probably highballing it.

ILya
 
  • Like
  • Love
Reactions: DownhillFromHere, CSTactical, Makinchips208 and 2 others
#75
DeathBeforeDismount said:
I know its a weird ask but I would love to know the percentage of people that call up complaining about an optic failure compared to user error/other equipment/ect.
Click to expand...
koshkin said:
roughly 1 out of 10 calls to most riflescope companies is an actual scope problem and I am probably highballing it.
Click to expand...

I'm in a completely different industry and the amount of issues that are actually the part vs user error is easily 1-10.
People are so quick to blame the part, they will even blame the part after they tell you how they fucked it up, it's insane.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Makinchips208, lash and CSTactical
#80
Taylorbok said:
I'm in a completely different industry and the amount of issues that are actually the part vs user error is easily 1-10.
People are so quick to blame the part, they will even blame the part after they tell you how they fucked it up, it's insane.
Click to expand...
Another story from old guy about arrogance. It's good for a grin, an eye roll, and a karma sort of thing but otherwise useless.

I WAS THAT GUY. First programming job, back in the heyday of IBM mainframes. Total newbie. I was tasked with creating a very simple program to read and format data from a disk file and print the output. So it takes me 15 minutes to write the code and create and submit the job. Job runs. No errors. No formatted output. And the input data file is empty.

So I tell the admin to please recreate the input file. Takes her 30 minutes. I look at my code. It's fine. Run the job again. No errors. No output. Input file is empty.

Admin tells me I can recreate the data file my own self. I'm pissed. I grab the fanfold-paper job listing and stomp across campus to the main computer center, march indignantly into the office of the SME for the programming language, slap the listing on his desk and state in no uncertain terms: "I BET YOU A MONTH'S PAY THERE IS A BUG IN [LANGUAGE] - IT ATE MY DATA FILE TWICE." He gently pushes the listing to the corner of his desk and says, "I'll look at it." And just looks at me until I turn around and stomp out.

Halfway back to my office - I actually had one to myself, back there in 1982 - I had an inspiration. I get back and pull up the job. Programming code is fine. But IBM mainframes of the era had to be explicitly told EVERYTHING it needed to run a job - job name, who pays for it, where to find data, where to find program libraries, where to send output, and much more.

And there it was in my JCL (Job Control Language). I had switched my SYSIN and SYSOUT data definitions. Instead of reading from the input file and writing to the printer, I told it to read from the printer and write to the input file. As soon as the input file was opened for write, the data it contained vanished.

I called Eric and humbly asked if he required a check or could I pay in installments. I was mortified, but I learned. Slowly. Heh. This incident was 15 years before the one recounted above.... I learned humility in my coding but God gave me a thimble-size capacity for people-patience....
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: CSTactical
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

R
Mark 4hd tracking issue
Replies
105
Views
3K
Ragin_cajun
R
BigDaddy0381
SOLD ZCO 527 MPCT2X. @Swoodhouse19
Replies
8
Views
2K
Swoodhouse19
Swoodhouse19
T
WTB ZCO 527 MPCT3X
Replies
10
Views
820
mtpharr
M
Sako man
Is the March FX 4.5-28x52 my new ZCO?
Replies
120
Views
6K
koshkin
koshkin
Surly
SOLD ZCO 527 MPCT1
Replies
13
Views
1K
BassUSMC
B
Top Bottom
Back
Home
Forums
Merch
Alerts