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It’s all about cutting oil flow to China.
Secondary, you can take that oil to Europe and impact Russia as a bonus.
This is the US play.
Israel has a different agenda.
Or sell it to India instead of them buying more and more from Russia. Which if you look at the maps Netanyahu held up of the blessing and the curse, you'll see India included in the blessing. Right now, the West is pressuring India not to buy Iranian oil. Earlier in the year US sanctioned around 30 Indian companies for doing just that.
Also, it's about control over the flow to China while being able to profit from it, not stopping it, but having the ability to if they wanna start getting pushy, that has been a long term policy of the US and why we are so involved in the Middle East and why we should continue to be, if we don't others will. China, who gets a portion of their energy from Iran, which is basically US and Eu putting money back into the Ayatollahs pocket. BP, Shell, Exxon/Moble etc want that revenue.
Plus now it will keep them from fucking with two shipping choke point in the Gulf and Red Sea.
And on top of this Iran was 100% trying to make a nuclear bomb. There is no reason to enrich other wise. And why they would use it as a threat. And many of the reasons above are why this is happening.
I think for a nuclear free Middle East, Israel should be made to give up it's nuclear stockpiles (technology they stole from us btw), and for Iran to agree to not pursue nuclear weapons.
And both countries to agree to regular inspections to ensure they are not pursuing nuclear weapons.
And both countries to agree to regular inspections to ensure they are not pursuing nuclear weapons.
Removing both of those country's over there, would solve three issues at once,...
kinda sounds like a fair deal but we really do not live in a fair world nor do i see israel warming up to the idea of no nuke weapons and the US will side with them .
No country in their right mind thinks the West negotiates in good faith. Iran would be foolish to make a deal.
You are using MOA, but we are talking about MIL.
Well units of MIL (mother in law) are a thing in some family's,...
You really think that letting the Canaanites destroy The Little Satan will stop them from trying to destroy The Great Satan?
While the rest of the Arabs seem to finally accept that the Joos are going nowhere, the 12er Satanists do not and never will. Even after loosing the bulk of their technological military it will not dissuade what they see as a religious imperative. You can not use rationality to understand irrationality. You just have to accept it and act accordingly. Maybe 50 years of totalitarian indoctrination have not managed to turn the bulk of the Iranian people into terrorists like it has the Canaanites.
It's a pipe dream. It would never happen. But I think the Western world should push for it.
The biggest foreign threat to the USA is Israel. Not China or Russia, or North Korea. Israel.
They drag us into catastrophic regime change operations in the ME which turn into unwinnable "forever wars" at the cost of trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. They are the largest recipient of US aid. They spend hundreds of billions influencing our elections, to the benefit of a foreign government. They spy on us, and one of the achievements from that is stealing our nuclear technology and illegally building a stockpile of nuclear weapons. They are the most provocative force in the ME, waging constant warfare against its neighbors.
Hell, the only country you can't legally criticize in the United States is Israel. We can criticize our own government, but it's illegal to criticize Israel. How messed up is that?
Dang,,,,I didn't intend to start up such a discussion on ton measurement. But I have a new idea. Can we just strap Lizzo and Jerry Nadler to the bomb and let them do a Chill Wills ride down? I mean those two fat asses should negate the need for a follow up strike so it's a win/win.
Is this real or is this a psy op? The WOE guys are very plugged in and have hit a lot of nails On the head…. Their articles are top notch. Screw the Economist. I read WOE.
Again, does it matter if it’s true?
What matters is that it might be true.
And it is certainly technologically child’s play…
Sirhr
We should have sent half the force right through Iran when we went into Iraq and the other half left and then double back up through Turkey. Give the Kurds and Armenians Turkey and then let Israel handle Lebanon and Palestine. What fun that would have been
Only thing left is blockade all the Iranian ports and stop the food imports.
Actually, if you just got rid of Israel, 98% of the problems would clear up on their own. Back to tribes frighting tribes over chickenshit differences in Islam. And they'd stop hating us so much because we wouldnt be supporting Israel. Win/win
And fuck Bibi.
I'll criticize Israel right her right now. Brutal, murderous thugs who seek world domination by whatever means available.
Iran has well armed and well funded allies. If it was that simple, the situation wouldn’t be what it is.
Goo plan. Turks have repeatedly fucked both the Kurds and Armenians.We should have sent half the force right through Iran when we went into Iraq and the other half left and then double back up through Turkey. Give the Kurds and Armenians Turkey and then let Israel handle Lebanon and Palestine. What fun that would have been
Iran has too many allies for this to occur in any reliable manner.
One of the great ironies of this war is that it's allegedly being waged because a country who doesn't have nuclear weapons and is a member in good standing of the non-proliferation treaty, is being accused by a country that secretly has nukes and isn't part of the non-proliferation treaty of attempting to build nukes (with no evidence to back up that assertion and counter to US intelligence assessments).
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Like you said earlier, Israel is the biggest threat right now.One of the great ironies of this war is that it's allegedly being waged because a country who doesn't have nuclear weapons and is a member in good standing of the non-proliferation treaty, is being accused of a country that secretly has nukes and isn't part of the non-proliferation treaty of attempting to build nukes (with no evidence to back up that assertion and counter to US intelligence assessments).
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The turks follow our lead, they fuck everyone at some point.
So youre saying "Dont drop the soap in the shower."?
Maybe we drop a nuke on Tel Aviv and then claim the pilot was mistaken and thought it was a Muslim city?
Israel and Iran "could no agree on the color of shite"
None of us will live long enough to see those countries make peace with each other.
Best case scenario is a long term cease fire that doesn't drag the USA into anything.
Imho
None of us will live long enough to see those countries make peace with each other.
Best case scenario is a long term cease fire that doesn't drag the USA into anything.
Imho
Best case, is they both get nuked at the same time.
Oh, I agree.
I'm being way to sensible and pragmatic.
I just find the irony of a country that has a secret stockpile of nuclear weapons and isn't part of the non-proliferation treaty accusing another country who is part of the non-proliferation treaty and doesn't have nukes to be incredibly palpable.
One of the great ironies of this war is that it's allegedly being waged because a country who doesn't have nuclear weapons and is a member in good standing of the non-proliferation treaty, is being accused by a country that secretly has nukes and isn't part of the non-proliferation treaty of attempting to build nukes (with no evidence to back up that assertion and counter to US intelligence assessments).
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Yes, but one has pledged that as soon as they “get” nukes they will wipe the other off the map. Along with us, the Great Satan.
There is a difference there.
Sirhr
getting worse not better?
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Defense Officials Float Tactical Nuke To Destroy Iran's Fordow Site As World Awaits Trump Decision | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Would it be too much of an ask to have the participants in all the nuking to find the time to slaughter all the leftists?
i'm guessing it is only the 20-30% of zealots at most...not all the persians. just look at how it was before carter.
the problem is the zealots have control and the weapons to keep it.
The other side is the most provocative and belligerent force in the ME currently. Iran hasn't invaded another country in 250 years.
And for the record, I'm not saying Iran is "good" or defending it.
But Israel is a rogue nuclear state that's involved in multiple conflicts in the region and is hellbent on starting a wider conflict with the goal of dragging us into it.
The zealots are the ones with their grubby paws
On the red buttons, too! The rest are cowed supplicants who do what they are told and mouth the slogans… because otherwise they get thrown off roofs.
Every one under the age of 50 there has grown up under a propaganda regime of destroy Israel and the Great Satan. Do they all believe it? No.
Do enough believe it that they prop up the regime or simply “go along” until Allah wills a better day? Yup. No sense trying to change things “if it is written and Allah wills it.”
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Israel has also been targeted from day one. Bombings, invasions, hijackings, mass shootings, kidnappings, embassies targeted, rockets, missiles, incursions…. 24x7x365 for 70 years ish.
We have one harbor bombed and we unleash Armageddon. A couple of buildings dropped and we go berserk.
If the ME left Israel alone and focused on their economies, the place would be an economic powerhouse and a paradise for everyone. But the a-rab shitheels are too backwards to think anything but tribal revenge.
TE Lawrence predicted it in a book on 1920. He was dead nuts right.
Belligerent? We have been worse than Israel
For 130+ years…. Trying to spread Jeffersonian democracy around the world. While claiming “we’re the guys who want to be left alone.” The Global Mrs. kravitz. Busybody do gooders.
Israel would not mess with anyone if everyone (including a ton of folks here in USA) weren’t an existential threat. But everyone is. Because everyone needs an enemy and for 3,000 years+ it’s been the Heebies.
Sirhr
I agree that our foreign policy is unhinged. We are good bedfellows with Israel on that front.
We should have nothing to do with the ME. Israel can fight its own battles.
Supporting Israel in all of its wars and conflicts in the region is inherently against US interests. All the previous regime change wars we've fought on their behalf has been nothing but disastrous for us. Iran will be another one.
If Israel the welfare Queen wants to fight Iran, it can have at it. Just leave us the fuck out of it.
I do see the irony.
I don't think Iran is smart enough to have a nuclear arsenal.
But if you look at slices of our history some of our President's were so stupid they shouldn't have had a stapler within reach.
That's my take on some of them. That's internal to the US what do you think some of the rest of the world sees our competence leval at with Democrat clowns in charge every few years.
Luckily we have a semblance of checks and balances that I don't think exists in many countries.
At least I hope it's still in place having serviced delivery platforms and at times been on orders to guard tnw's.
It's a little unnerving.
I don't think Iran is smart enough to have a nuclear arsenal.
But if you look at slices of our history some of our President's were so stupid they shouldn't have had a stapler within reach.
That's my take on some of them. That's internal to the US what do you think some of the rest of the world sees our competence leval at with Democrat clowns in charge every few years.
Luckily we have a semblance of checks and balances that I don't think exists in many countries.
At least I hope it's still in place having serviced delivery platforms and at times been on orders to guard tnw's.
It's a little unnerving.
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