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Area 419 Tactical One-Piece Scope Mount

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I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.
 
No issues. Anything Area 419 makes is usually pretty solid and robust. I had a mount from them but got rid of it when I sold my only 35mm scope. It was very nice and I liked the little locator pins for each cap.
 
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I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.
I only have the rings, but I also love the index pins and wide bearing surface. I chose the adapter for my Send It. Works really great.
 
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I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.
I have three of the Area 419 mount. They are excellent. No issues whatsoever. They make the fasteners in house.

ILya
 
Thanks Gents. I figured they were good to go, but it doesn't hurt to get a second opinion. I've been pleased with the quality of my other Area 419 products. Their machining is top notch.
 
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I have three of the Area 419 mount. They are excellent. No issues whatsoever. They make the fasteners in house.

ILya
Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.
 
Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.
They make them in house from SS and have them nitrided. They started doing it for the zero press, but now I'm assuming nobody wanted to make their specialized hardware for a decent price, so they just decided to make it themselves.
 
They make them in house from SS and have them nitrided. They started doing it for the zero press, but now I'm assuming nobody wanted to make their specialized hardware for a decent price, so they just decided to make it themselves.
Entirely possible.

A company I used to work for had private label stuff made by CamCar-Textron in the US for a decent price, but we were buying it several trailer loads at a time.
 
Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.
They do, there were some teething issues and revisions in the fasteners as well.
 
I know you said you did, what I’m saying is Craig can come in here and explain in whatever detail he wants to address @mi650

Richard
I don't doubt he does it, just find it unusual and generally unnecessary.

I completely understand, and applaud, not buying screws from Taiwan or China. But I'd have no issue with any company using screws made in the US instead of making their own. It actually makes complete to me, and I do it every chance I get. Hell, when I need wood screws, I don't buy the bulk shit from HD, I buy Spax, made in Germany. (I've never heard of a wood screw made in the US.)
 
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We absolutely make our fastners in house. We have two Star swiss (SR20 and SR32) running them full time, along with some other swiss parts.

As is the case with a lot of parts, we could farm it all out and probably end up with something functional, but we wanted some pretty specific things, and in volume if it pencils out to something close to a financial wash, or better, we buy the machines and bring them in-house.

For these mounts, we have 3 distinct fastners - the cross-bolt that holds to the pic rail, the cap screws that hold the caps on (these also are used for accessories) and then the diving board screws that hold things onto the front cap of a one-piece. We wanted to be able to design specifically the size fastners that the system wanted, all of which run a TorxPlus for T20IP, made of stainless, ready for nitride. We are also using hollow locks for diving boards, and those are generally not great off the shelf. They tend to be rough because of the black oxide process. Getting that all made in the US isn't cheap, AT ALL, so doing them in-house was the right move. Plus we then have a lot more control of the product stream.

Maybe someone knows better - but we feel good about what we are doing.
 
To follow up on this, we are in an interesting spot as a company, related to size. We are usually looked at one of two ways, and in reality we are in the middle.

People that have never seen inside the shop think that we are either VERY small, and don't have the ability to fill machines, so everything needs to be farmed out. There was a time that we DID use a machine shop down the road for certain parts that we couldn't justify a machine for. Nothing specifically wrong with that, though we are no longer in that place.

OR

They see a picture of the shop, where we have 18 CNCs, nearly all of which are automated, and insist that we are really just a job shop because there's no way we can move enough parts to justify what we do. Since 2016, we have taken exactly one project that didn't have 419 on every part, and it was a fixture for a local large-name manufacturer that couldn't figure out how to do a great multi-part fixture, but Jon could, so he got a nice check for making a fixture. I think that was in 2017/2018.

Here is the most recent published tour of our shop:


We are an enormously fortunate and grateful group to be able to produce what we do, the way we do, and sell it to the world. There are times we make decisions (like bringing fastners in-house) that may not make the most sense possible in a vacuum, but fit into our long-term vision of being the best damn American-Made part/accessory/tool company possible, and do it in a way that allows all of us here (I think we are at 38 people) to have a strong and stable work/life situation. It's what we think the American Dream really is, and every day when we walk through these doors, we make decisions against that ethos.
 
To follow up on this, we are in an interesting spot as a company, related to size. We are usually looked at one of two ways, and in reality we are in the middle.

People that have never seen inside the shop think that we are either VERY small, and don't have the ability to fill machines, so everything needs to be farmed out. There was a time that we DID use a machine shop down the road for certain parts that we couldn't justify a machine for. Nothing specifically wrong with that, though we are no longer in that place.

OR

They see a picture of the shop, where we have 18 CNCs, nearly all of which are automated, and insist that we are really just a job shop because there's no way we can move enough parts to justify what we do. Since 2016, we have taken exactly one project that didn't have 419 on every part, and it was a fixture for a local large-name manufacturer that couldn't figure out how to do a great multi-part fixture, but Jon could, so he got a nice check for making a fixture. I think that was in 2017/2018.

Here is the most recent published tour of our shop:


We are an enormously fortunate and grateful group to be able to produce what we do, the way we do, and sell it to the world. There are times we make decisions (like bringing fastners in-house) that may not make the most sense possible in a vacuum, but fit into our long-term vision of being the best damn American-Made part/accessory/tool company possible, and do it in a way that allows all of us here (I think we are at 38 people) to have a strong and stable work/life situation. It's what we think the American Dream really is, and every day when we walk through these doors, we make decisions against that ethos.

Just got a set of your Hunt rings for a sportsman build.

IMO you have hands down the best rings/mounts on the market at the moment. They are machined so well that the tube doesn't even want to turn before being torqued. You guys are really on to something machining the bore and not leaving it anodized, which I suspect decreases the co-efficent of friction and can lead to slippage. The index pin is something that should be on every ring/mount.

The fasteners are excellent. The packaging is excellent. The supplied tools are excellent. The price is a bargain for what you get. Kudos and Congratulations for making these!
 
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Just got a set of your Hunt rings for a sportsman build.

IMO you have hands down the best rings/mounts on the market at the moment. They are machined so well that the tube doesn't even want to turn before being torqued. You guys are really on to something machining the bore and not leaving it anodized, which I suspect decreases the co-efficent of friction and can lead to slippage. The index pin is something that should be on every ring/mount.

The fasteners are excellent. The packaging is excellent. The supplied tools are excellent. The price is a bargain for what you get. Kudos and Congratulations for making these!
The real magic on the bore is the patent-pending process - even if it's kind of a pain in the ass for us.

We are making the ring caps and bases (wether one or two piece), sending them out to ano, then when they come back fully anodized we assemble them into sets and put them back into the machine to bore the internal diameter. That gives us a VERY round and on-size internal bore with the raw aluminum. That much surface contact on that surface gives the crazy grip.

But thank you, this is a product that we are really proud of for a lot of reasons, including its success in the market.
 
We absolutely make our fastners in house. We have two Star swiss (SR20 and SR32) running them full time, along with some other swiss parts.

As is the case with a lot of parts, we could farm it all out and probably end up with something functional, but we wanted some pretty specific things, and in volume if it pencils out to something close to a financial wash, or better, we buy the machines and bring them in-house.

For these mounts, we have 3 distinct fastners - the cross-bolt that holds to the pic rail, the cap screws that hold the caps on (these also are used for accessories) and then the diving board screws that hold things onto the front cap of a one-piece. We wanted to be able to design specifically the size fastners that the system wanted, all of which run a TorxPlus for T20IP, made of stainless, ready for nitride. We are also using hollow locks for diving boards, and those are generally not great off the shelf. They tend to be rough because of the black oxide process. Getting that all made in the US isn't cheap, AT ALL, so doing them in-house was the right move. Plus we then have a lot more control of the product stream.

Maybe someone knows better - but we feel good about what we are doing.
I suppose that’s the part where I am supposed to go “I told you so” to Richard, right?
 
I said that I believe you, it was the other character that questioned it :D
To be fair to that fellow, it is pretty uncommon for a manufacturer to source hardware like screws. But, then again, Area419 is no common manufacturer.

Did I mention in my last comment how their mounts are SOOOOO good? Oh I did. Sorry for repeating.
 
I said that I believe you, it was the other character that questioned it :D
I suppose that’s the part where I am supposed to go “I told you so” to Richard, right?

As penance for his sin, Richard owes 4 Hail Marys, 4 Our Fathers, and must sell 10 mounts by Monday, and he will be forgiven.
 
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Just got in an Area 419 one piece mount and diving board. I am very impressed with it. One of the nicest mounts I’ve ever seen. It replaced a spuhr as even their high diving board wouldn’t let me use the switch on the maztech/magpul WMLRF.

I also recently got in a hellfire system. I am truly impressed with everything I’ve seen from them and I will continue to look to them first in the future.
 
Just got in an Area 419 one piece mount and diving board. I am very impressed with it. One of the nicest mounts I’ve ever seen. It replaced a spuhr as even their high diving board wouldn’t let me use the switch on the maztech/magpul WMLRF.

I also recently got in a hellfire system. I am truly impressed with everything I’ve seen from them and I will continue to look to them first in the future.
Welcome to the addiction😆
 
The two 39mm high one piece scope mounts and accessory pic rails I ordered were delivered today.

My first impressions:
-The machining is top notch with no rough edges. Just like all of my area 419 pic rails.
- The case and custom foam is the best packaging I've seen when it comes to accessories and they've included an actual T20 bit and thread locker.
-The steel guide pins made it easy to install the rings, though my rear ring was a bit tight.
-The raw aluminum finish rings seems to hold the scope more securely than other rings I've used.

I followed the youtube installation instructions. After tightening the base screws and going back to level the the scope I noticed a lot of scratches on the scope tube. Most of them seem to be aluminum residue., and I was able to remove most of them with an alcohol patch on the area covered by the ring halves.

The pic rail at 12 o'clock is the perfect height for my red dot but there isn't enough room to mount it I'll have to look for a different solution or just ditch the dot. I think a low diving board is too high but I don't think there's another alternative. Maye they'll make a 2-3 section pic rail in the future.

In case anyone needs the info, the 39mm 0 MOA 34mm tube mount is 9 oz and 9.7 oz with the side mounted accessory rail.

Thanks for all your feedback folks.
 

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If only they made a 1.7-ish or 1.93 version…

-Stan
Taller can come, once we have all the SKUs in stock regularly. This isn't a SUPER common request, but we get it.
The two 39mm high one piece scope mounts and accessory pic rails I ordered were delivered today.

My first impressions:
-The machining is top notch with no rough edges. Just like all of my area 419 pic rails.
- The case and custom foam is the best packaging I've seen when it comes to accessories and they've included an actual T20 bit and thread locker.
-The steel guide pins made it easy to install the rings, though my rear ring was a bit tight.
-The raw aluminum finish rings seems to hold the scope more securely than other rings I've used.

I followed the youtube installation instructions. After tightening the base screws and going back to level the the scope I noticed a lot of scratches on the scope tube. Most of them seem to be aluminum residue., and I was able to remove most of them with an alcohol patch on the area covered by the ring halves.

The pic rail at 12 o'clock is the perfect height for my red dot but there isn't enough room to mount it I'll have to look for a different solution or just ditch the dot. I think a low diving board is too high but I don't think there's another alternative. Maye they'll make a 2-3 section pic rail in the future.

In case anyone needs the info, the 39mm 0 MOA 34mm tube mount is 9 oz and 9.7 oz with the side mounted accessory rail.

Thanks for all your feedback folks.
For the aluminum residue that won't come off with alcohol, put a little WD40 on a rag, it's much better at erasing those marks. One of the upsides to the raw aluminum is that it's MUCH softer than the anodized tube, so it's much less likely to cause damage to the scope than any anodized rings.
 
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The two 39mm high one piece scope mounts and accessory pic rails I ordered were delivered today.

My first impressions:
-The machining is top notch with no rough edges. Just like all of my area 419 pic rails.
- The case and custom foam is the best packaging I've seen when it comes to accessories and they've included an actual T20 bit and thread locker.
-The steel guide pins made it easy to install the rings, though my rear ring was a bit tight.
-The raw aluminum finish rings seems to hold the scope more securely than other rings I've used.

I followed the youtube installation instructions. After tightening the base screws and going back to level the the scope I noticed a lot of scratches on the scope tube. Most of them seem to be aluminum residue., and I was able to remove most of them with an alcohol patch on the area covered by the ring halves.

The pic rail at 12 o'clock is the perfect height for my red dot but there isn't enough room to mount it I'll have to look for a different solution or just ditch the dot. I think a low diving board is too high but I don't think there's another alternative. Maye they'll make a 2-3 section pic rail in the future.

In case anyone needs the info, the 39mm 0 MOA 34mm tube mount is 9 oz and 9.7 oz with the side mounted accessory rail.

Thanks for all your feedback folks.
Oh, and this in RMR (low vs high is up to you) is what you want for that dot.
Low Profile: https://www.area419.com/product/optics-plates-for-offset-mounts/
High Profile: https://www.area419.com/product/highpro-dot-plates/
 
Taller can come, once we have all the SKUs in stock regularly. This isn't a SUPER common request, but we get it.

For the aluminum residue that won't come off with alcohol, put a little WD40 on a rag, it's much better at erasing those marks. One of the upsides to the raw aluminum is that it's MUCH softer than the anodized tube, so it's much less likely to cause damage to the scope than any anodized rings.
I ended up removing the scope to see if I can fit the red dot. The mounts did leave faint scratches all around the scope tube. WD40 didn't get them off.

I also found a scratch in the forward ring of my unused mount, that can catch a fingernail. It's going back for a refund. The previous posts stands but I'm not fan of the scratches, I haven't had this problem with other mounts.
 
@flyer1a - to take the next step we need a FDE version. I have one of your 34mm one piece mounts I can send you if you need a prototype. 😁😎
So, to the collective hive mind:

IF we do colors, we would do them in anodize, we would likely only do the mounts/rings, and try to avoid ALL of the accessories also being colored, for two reasons.

1) That's a lot of SKUs. LOTS of SKUs. And we already have a lot. To keep up with all of those extras is both a pain on our side, and will resuly in less consistent stock for customers.
2) When you use colored anodize, the batches are not super consistent. Black and "clear" are pretty consistent, but when you get into anything else the shading can get aggressive. So I don't want to sell you a tan mount and when you kit it out we have a full "50 Shades of FDE" situation.

Is this a deal-killer? What are the thoughts?

(Also, I reserve the right to ignore this all completely, as we have to do what's reasonable for the company, though I'm generally interested)
 
So, to the collective hive mind:

IF we do colors, we would do them in anodize, we would likely only do the mounts/rings, and try to avoid ALL of the accessories also being colored, for two reasons.

1) That's a lot of SKUs. LOTS of SKUs. And we already have a lot. To keep up with all of those extras is both a pain on our side, and will resuly in less consistent stock for customers.
2) When you use colored anodize, the batches are not super consistent. Black and "clear" are pretty consistent, but when you get into anything else the shading can get aggressive. So I don't want to sell you a tan mount and when you kit it out we have a full "50 Shades of FDE" situation.

Is this a deal-killer? What are the thoughts?

(Also, I reserve the right to ignore this all completely, as we have to do what's reasonable for the company, though I'm generally interested)
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