Area 419 Tactical One-Piece Scope Mount

[Caba]

I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.

 

[Stag556]

No issues. Anything Area 419 makes is usually pretty solid and robust. I had a mount from them but got rid of it when I sold my only 35mm scope. It was very nice and I liked the little locator pins for each cap.

 

[oldrifleman]

I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.

I only have the rings, but I also love the index pins and wide bearing surface. I chose the adapter for my Send It. Works really great.

 

[koshkin]

I'm thinking of switching my scope mounts to the Area 419 One-Piece mounts 9and their hunt rings for my hunting scope. One of my rifles is a switch barrel and I'll be switching out to a different scope for hunting.

For the folks that use these mounts, are there any issues with the fasteners? The ones on my spuhr mount are soft and seem to mar easily.

Also, I'm debating between the send it level adapter or accesory picatinny rail for my send it level. Any reason do go with one over the other?

Thank you.

I have three of the Area 419 mount. They are excellent. No issues whatsoever. They make the fasteners in house.

ILya

 

[Caba]

Thanks Gents. I figured they were good to go, but it doesn't hurt to get a second opinion. I've been pleased with the quality of my other Area 419 products. Their machining is top notch.

 

[oldrifleman]

Totally great stuff.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

Best option out there at the moment I think. Very very well thought out mount system and ecosystem.

 

[mi650]

I have three of the Area 419 mount. They are excellent. No issues whatsoever. They make the fasteners in house.

ILya

Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.

 

[DairyDictator]

Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.

They make them in house from SS and have them nitrided. They started doing it for the zero press, but now I'm assuming nobody wanted to make their specialized hardware for a decent price, so they just decided to make it themselves.

 

[mi650]

They make them in house from SS and have them nitrided. They started doing it for the zero press, but now I'm assuming nobody wanted to make their specialized hardware for a decent price, so they just decided to make it themselves.

Entirely possible.

A company I used to work for had private label stuff made by CamCar-Textron in the US for a decent price, but we were buying it several trailer loads at a time.

 

[TheOE800]

Not doubting you, but having spent many years in the fastener business, this would really surprise me.

There are several companies that make quality fasteners, and who do it much cheaper than they can be made in house. Camcar-Textron and SPS-Unbrako are just a couple off the top of my head.

They do, there were some teething issues and revisions in the fasteners as well.

 

[mi650]

They do, there were some teething issues and revisions in the fasteners as well.

I'm sure, and I'm also sure they do a fine job of it. It's just generally not something a smallish shop would bother with.

 

[koshkin]

I thought that was odd, so I asked them a couple of times. They said they make them in house.

I'm sure, and I'm also sure they do a fine job of it. It's just generally not something a smallish shop would bother with.

 

[oldrifleman]

I thought that was odd, so I asked them a couple of times. They said they make them in house.

Would not surprise me as they are very particular about making their products the best they can and searching for perfection.

 

[CSTactical]

Let's ask Craig @flyer1a

 

[koshkin]

Let's ask Craig @flyer1a

Who do you think I asked about it?

ILya

 

[CSTactical]

Who do you think I asked about it?

ILya

I know you said you did, what I’m saying is Craig can come in here and explain in whatever detail he wants to address @mi650

Richard

 

[mi650]

I know you said you did, what I’m saying is Craig can come in here and explain in whatever detail he wants to address @mi650

Richard

I don't doubt he does it, just find it unusual and generally unnecessary.

I completely understand, and applaud, not buying screws from Taiwan or China. But I'd have no issue with any company using screws made in the US instead of making their own. It actually makes complete to me, and I do it every chance I get. Hell, when I need wood screws, I don't buy the bulk shit from HD, I buy Spax, made in Germany. (I've never heard of a wood screw made in the US.)

 

[carbonbased]

I buy Spax, made in Germany.

I love Spax screws.

 

[flyer1a]

We absolutely make our fastners in house. We have two Star swiss (SR20 and SR32) running them full time, along with some other swiss parts.

As is the case with a lot of parts, we could farm it all out and probably end up with something functional, but we wanted some pretty specific things, and in volume if it pencils out to something close to a financial wash, or better, we buy the machines and bring them in-house.

For these mounts, we have 3 distinct fastners - the cross-bolt that holds to the pic rail, the cap screws that hold the caps on (these also are used for accessories) and then the diving board screws that hold things onto the front cap of a one-piece. We wanted to be able to design specifically the size fastners that the system wanted, all of which run a TorxPlus for T20IP, made of stainless, ready for nitride. We are also using hollow locks for diving boards, and those are generally not great off the shelf. They tend to be rough because of the black oxide process. Getting that all made in the US isn't cheap, AT ALL, so doing them in-house was the right move. Plus we then have a lot more control of the product stream.

Maybe someone knows better - but we feel good about what we are doing.

 

[flyer1a]

To follow up on this, we are in an interesting spot as a company, related to size. We are usually looked at one of two ways, and in reality we are in the middle.

People that have never seen inside the shop think that we are either VERY small, and don't have the ability to fill machines, so everything needs to be farmed out. There was a time that we DID use a machine shop down the road for certain parts that we couldn't justify a machine for. Nothing specifically wrong with that, though we are no longer in that place.

OR

They see a picture of the shop, where we have 18 CNCs, nearly all of which are automated, and insist that we are really just a job shop because there's no way we can move enough parts to justify what we do. Since 2016, we have taken exactly one project that didn't have 419 on every part, and it was a fixture for a local large-name manufacturer that couldn't figure out how to do a great multi-part fixture, but Jon could, so he got a nice check for making a fixture. I think that was in 2017/2018.

Here is the most recent published tour of our shop:


We are an enormously fortunate and grateful group to be able to produce what we do, the way we do, and sell it to the world. There are times we make decisions (like bringing fastners in-house) that may not make the most sense possible in a vacuum, but fit into our long-term vision of being the best damn American-Made part/accessory/tool company possible, and do it in a way that allows all of us here (I think we are at 38 people) to have a strong and stable work/life situation. It's what we think the American Dream really is, and every day when we walk through these doors, we make decisions against that ethos.

 

[DeathBeforeDismount]

To follow up on this, we are in an interesting spot as a company, related to size. We are usually looked at one of two ways, and in reality we are in the middle.

People that have never seen inside the shop think that we are either VERY small, and don't have the ability to fill machines, so everything needs to be farmed out. There was a time that we DID use a machine shop down the road for certain parts that we couldn't justify a machine for. Nothing specifically wrong with that, though we are no longer in that place.

OR

They see a picture of the shop, where we have 18 CNCs, nearly all of which are automated, and insist that we are really just a job shop because there's no way we can move enough parts to justify what we do. Since 2016, we have taken exactly one project that didn't have 419 on every part, and it was a fixture for a local large-name manufacturer that couldn't figure out how to do a great multi-part fixture, but Jon could, so he got a nice check for making a fixture. I think that was in 2017/2018.

Here is the most recent published tour of our shop:


We are an enormously fortunate and grateful group to be able to produce what we do, the way we do, and sell it to the world. There are times we make decisions (like bringing fastners in-house) that may not make the most sense possible in a vacuum, but fit into our long-term vision of being the best damn American-Made part/accessory/tool company possible, and do it in a way that allows all of us here (I think we are at 38 people) to have a strong and stable work/life situation. It's what we think the American Dream really is, and every day when we walk through these doors, we make decisions against that ethos.

Just got a set of your Hunt rings for a sportsman build.

IMO you have hands down the best rings/mounts on the market at the moment. They are machined so well that the tube doesn't even want to turn before being torqued. You guys are really on to something machining the bore and not leaving it anodized, which I suspect decreases the co-efficent of friction and can lead to slippage. The index pin is something that should be on every ring/mount.

The fasteners are excellent. The packaging is excellent. The supplied tools are excellent. The price is a bargain for what you get. Kudos and Congratulations for making these!

 

[flyer1a]

Just got a set of your Hunt rings for a sportsman build.

IMO you have hands down the best rings/mounts on the market at the moment. They are machined so well that the tube doesn't even want to turn before being torqued. You guys are really on to something machining the bore and not leaving it anodized, which I suspect decreases the co-efficent of friction and can lead to slippage. The index pin is something that should be on every ring/mount.

The fasteners are excellent. The packaging is excellent. The supplied tools are excellent. The price is a bargain for what you get. Kudos and Congratulations for making these!

The real magic on the bore is the patent-pending process - even if it's kind of a pain in the ass for us.

We are making the ring caps and bases (wether one or two piece), sending them out to ano, then when they come back fully anodized we assemble them into sets and put them back into the machine to bore the internal diameter. That gives us a VERY round and on-size internal bore with the raw aluminum. That much surface contact on that surface gives the crazy grip.

But thank you, this is a product that we are really proud of for a lot of reasons, including its success in the market.