The Senate did vote to send it to the House. Now let's see what happens over there in the other chamber.
House Budget Proposal to remove Tax on Suppressors but not remove it from the NFA
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I mean that’s great and all but I don’t consider this a win. I think for most people the $200 tax wasn’t an issue. I also curious what happens now when one buys an NFA item. Are we still going to get a stamp? Either way I feel like getting these items off the NFA altogether is what’s needed. Again, the tax for most people isn’t the issue. But maybe, just maybe this is some kind of strategy. If it’s no longer taxed, can it justifiable live under the NFA or will the USSC then come back somehow and call this an infringement?
If it's a $0 tax but still in the NFA then ATF Form to make/transfer/register, a "background check" and 4473 with a NICS to pick it up. Same as before just no $200.
Do they still give stamps? You get a copy of your approved form back that is defense against prosecution in gray zone states. So no different than before but no extra $200 tax.
If it's the $1 fuck you tax then same as before and same as above only $1 instead of $200 or $0.
If it's back what has supposedly been added as an amendment again then it's out of the NFA completely so no tax and no ATF form, no background check other than NICS for the 4473 when you pick it up. But still iffy in gray zone states because no registration paper in your hand as defense against prosecution.
Who gets stamps anymore?
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While I see your argument, courts are much more cautious about taking up cases the older a law is. Considering Bruen, I think once these are sold common place to add restrictions back on is a much more difficult burden for the left in the courts. I personally believe at least under this SCOTUS we are only a hand full of years away from them taking up an NFA case. That doesn’t mean we should wait to retake our rights. But if we get this back and the Dems try to add them back on the NFA, that will almost guarantee SCOTUS takes it up. Under Bruen and Heller adding anything to the NFA just won’t pass muster. The NFA itself wouldn’t pass the historical test, and none of the items could be considered both dangerous and unusual.
Andrew Clyde from Georgia just added the entire original language of the SBR and Suppressor back to the BBB. FINGERS CROSSED!!!
LOL. i can't see the dims letting it go. that is all for show. if you would need a 4473 to buy,a record still sits with ATF,NSA or any gov agency that wants access. dumping NFA does not make them "secret" or eliminate gov intrusion on 2A. shall see.
I do not share your confidence in the courts here. The courts have not taken up what appeared to be slam dunk 2A cases in my view based on Heller and Bruen. See Snope v. Brown and Ocean State Tactical v. Rhode Island both being denied cert.
While I agree 100% with your position on this, I also have to ask exactly how much of what you do to exercise your 2A rights today do you think does not get recorded somewhere for use later?
I don’t like it, but it’s real.
It also does not prevent states from making them outright illegal like the ew-toober says.
All it does is neuter the states ability to require papers or make any laws that require papers for suppressor, SB-things or AOWs.
They will remain illegal in communist states if this passes and it remains to be seen if gray zone states will split on the issue with some making them illegal because they can't count on registration anymore. No backstop to regulate FTF sales or home spun devices.
Hmmmm…so in the past, I got my forms back and an actual stamp affixed to the forms. I made copies and took all over with me. Admittedly, I haven’t bought or created an NFA item in a few years but I always got a stamp. It’s like further proof that you paid your tax. I’m not gonna go dig mine out and take pics as I’m sure you can google it. But yea, I’ve always got a physical stamp with my form. Sadly, I liked the stamps. They were unique. Ha. But frankly, I don’t think they should be in the nfa period and do not consider the no tax a win. I want them to be able to bought just like a gun. The fact I can buy a gun and walk out in a few minutes without even having a background check (assuming you have a CCW) now but have to go through rigorous BS to buy esssntially a fancy pipe is completely insane. The one that’s the more dangerous of the two is the easier of the two to obtain. Make it make sense.
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This is a long video but there's a lot of discussion on where we are at now along with a Q&A in the chat with questions that some of you might have.
With my first suppressors I got in 2022 that I submitted on paper that took 14 months to clear.... I got actual stamps with those. All the e-file stuff gets just electronic copies.
#RealStampMasterrace.
Why when discussing this specific issue is every one suddenly using the word parliamentarian??
Never before can I recall it being used to describe our house of representatives, what gives? Am I missing something?
I thought this was the USA not a British colony.
Never before can I recall it being used to describe our house of representatives, what gives? Am I missing something?
I thought this was the USA not a British colony.
Yeah, back when I started my first stamps took about a week. I had one that took 2 weeks early on because I botched one of the forms, forgot to sign it or something, so the turnaround included them sending it back to me for correction and me sending it back corrected.
The only NFA I have that doesn't have a physical stamp is one I decided to do by e-form using a kiosk. I think a SS kiosk. I'm guessing a lot of people are doing eforms these days.
This is the first time something "we" care about has ever been struck by the parliamentarian.
A bunch of dem shit got struck by the parliamentarian during the Brandon admin but we didn't care. The crybaby liberal dems lit up the internet over it back then the same way 2A people are doing it now.
The sad part about what this has turned into is "we" light up the internet every time there's a rumor of a "change" and rarely is the "change" described completely or correctly. It's getting just as bad as all the corgi puddles every time there was an Epstein or JFK file "update". But at least nobody is talking about Epstein or JFK anymore.
My first stamp in 1977 took 53 days & they stayed under 90 until about 2006 when it started to stretch out to months & years. Wish I had been as smart as Neil Smith who lost count on the DIAS & trigger packs he did back when. At one time he can sell a hand full of sears & trigger packs and buy 134s all day long if he wanted to, plus fed them as much as he wanted to as well,...
Just so I am clear on the current status, has Rep. Clyde "added" or simply proposed? A single Representative cannot add anything by himself.
I've slept since yesterday so I've lost track of the actual status.
To the best of my understanding it is an amendment to the bill. But yes, there is a gray area where it's "proposed" before a vote to pass.
Clyde is in the House but I *thought* the bill was currently waiting for vote in the Senate. Anything Clyde submits/proposes doesn't affect the Senate, it would have to go back to the House for anything Clyde does to matter.
I *believe* senators or congressmen can submit amendments (senators when in the senate and congressmen when in the house), how much support they need to do so I'm not sure, maybe just someone to "second" or "sponsor" it.
Actual amendment statuses can be dug through here for the senate I think https://www.congress.gov/amendment/...360/amendments-to-this-amendment?pageSize=250
Actuall amendment statuses can be dug through for the house I think https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1/amendments
Submitted amendments don't show the purpose in the list, proposed amendments show the purpose.
Then they propose it, then there is a roll call vote, effectively a "vote to vote" maybe. I think a roll call vote requires 1/5th yea to move to the next level or get attached or some shit level of detail I don't want to dig into before it's eligible to be voted to pass. See votearamas https://www.senate.gov/legislative/votearama.htm
Once there is some non-commital amount of agreement on what amendments can or cannot be attached to the bill then they all vote on whether or not to pass the bill to the next level with the amendments that were noncommittally agreed to be included.
If the Senate or parliamentarian changes it before they pass it then it makes another swirl around the senate toilet bowl or goes back to the House who has their own version of the same toilet bowl otherwise it goes to DJT.
In between EVERY FUCKING amendment and EVERY FUCKING vote SOME FUCKING drama queen ew-toober makes video saying "WE WON" or "IT'S THE END OF THE GUN WORLD UNLESS YOU CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN" and every fucking one of those videos says something different and they hang around for days even though the situation is changing virtually every day and sometimes twice a day. It's worse than the Epstein and JFK threads where every time somebody says "files" in the media people get a chubby.
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That’s gonna be my route going forward. Still think the stamps are cool tho.
Me too. As a kid into numismatics, I had quite the stamp collection. Things like tax stamps and hunting/fishing license stamps can be worth something depending upon a whole slew of facts and desires.
I'm going to hold on to my physical stamps a while longer then maybe eventually auction them off to stamp collectors as the market supply dries up.
They used to go for $50 or $75 to over $100 depending on the stamp type. They're worth more to the collector if they're still attached to the original form.
LOL, I get it - hard to keep track.
BUT, the bill passed the Senate yesterday with JD Vance casting a tie breaking vote, and it is in the House.
Trump is meeting right now with House Republicans opposed to the bill.
So there you have it - they plan not to allow amendments. We'll see how that goes. Apparently they passed the rule by one vote. The majority whip says they plan to pass it tomorrow with no changes from the Senate version. Wishful thinking?
So there you have it - they plan not to allow amendments. We'll see how that goes. Apparently they passed the rule by one vote. The majority whip says they plan to pass it tomorrow with no changes from the Senate version. Wishful thinking?
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And therein lies the rub. It's not "the" bill that gets passed until it's "the" bill available for Trump to sign.
So far, the house and the senate each pass a version of the bill that's not the same version passed previously it stays on the merry go round going back and forth between house and senate never reaching Trump's desk.
The plan is not to allow Senate amendments. What about House amendments?
Has a version of the bill been passed by the House yet? Does it include removal of the suppressor, SB-things and AOW things from the NFA?
I'm asking because I haven't tried to look it up yet.
ETA trying to answer my own question, I think this is the "house passed" version and it does include the verbiage most of us think we want for now
So if this is what has actually been passed by the house and if it will be passed "as is" by the senate yes but how likely will the setnate be to pass it "as is"?
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I think the plan is not to allow House amendments and agree to the Senate version. Read the link I posted above on this issue.
I assume you are not asking about the original House version that went over to the Senate, so, no. The plan is to pass the bill tomorrow, with zero amendments, so it will be the Senate version as-is. This is what the President is asking and what the majority whip says he thinks he can deliver tomorrow.
I am not so sure he can deliver the votes, as there are too many in the Freedom Caucus opposed to the Senate version.
I think we are on the same page, I edited the previous post you quoted to add a link to what looks like the current house bill text which at the top of the page says and the version of the text is dated as 7/1/2025
Pray someone has the balls to kill this bill.
Vibe shift in House as Trump, GOP leaders begin to flip votes - Roll Call
Republican opposition to the GOP's "big, beautiful" reconciliation bill appeared to be softening Wednesday night.
Republican Holdouts Stand Firm Against Trump’s Reconciliation Bill — For Now
Republicans held a vote open Wednesday and broke a record. They may break the record again as they twist arms.
They are just promising more carrot & stick tricks later, that will never see the light of day. I hope they kill that POS and have to do a total rewrite.Vibe shift in House as Trump, GOP leaders begin to flip votes - Roll Call
Republican opposition to the GOP's "big, beautiful" reconciliation bill appeared to be softening Wednesday night.rollcall.com
Republican Holdouts Stand Firm Against Trump’s Reconciliation Bill — For Now
Republicans held a vote open Wednesday and broke a record. They may break the record again as they twist arms.www.notus.org
At least nobody is talking about Epstein or JFK anymore.
Attention was successfully switched from never gonna know what happened to never gonna happen and Diddy charges that could have additionally implicated numerous high profile actors evaporated without a whimper.
MSM and the deep state are winning.
I thought the amendment adding back the SBR, SBS, Suppressor, AOW language was successfully inserted.
Theoretically this is it, the latest headed to the senate, but it's hard to be 100% certain because the web site kinda sucks and it's run by simps ... the date on the page says July 1 so grain of salt
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