House Budget Proposal to remove Tax on Suppressors but not remove it from the NFA

[Malum Prohibitum]

The Senate Parliamentarian has declared the NFA provisions to be not budget related.

Senator Thune already said last night he is not going to challenge parliamentary decisions - WTH?

So maybe it is a done deal, maybe not.

Contact Sen. Thune.

Contact your state's two Senators.

Contact the Vice President, who is the presiding officer in the Senate and has the power to decide this. The Parliamentarian simply advises.

 

[hlee]

I do not think that there has been any vote at all.

Could you please provide a link?

Senate parliamentarian ruled that HPA ans SHORT violated Byrd rule and removed them from bill.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Senate parliamentarian ruled that HPA ans SHORT violated Byrd rule and removed them from bill.

Yeah, but that is not a vote.

It is not a done deal unless the Senate goes along with her decision. She is in an advisory role. She does not really have any power. The decision lies with the Senate and the Presiding Officer (VP JD Vance)

 

[clcustom1911]

It wasn't "they voted" or didn't vote, it was the Senate Parliamentarian.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Is anybody getting tired of the blame game, "Oh, the Democrats blocked it. We tried." ????

So the only question from here is whether the Republicans meant it, in which case they will fix this, or they knew from the beginning that they could pretend but would not have to follow through, so 2A folks would keep voting for them while they point and said that bad old MacDonough, she did this. She's a Dem, you know. We're Republicans. We support your Second Amendment rights.

There is a really good argument that this is a tax issue directly affecting the budget.



OR, it is just the Republicans doing this:

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/06/26/congress/john-thune-senate-parliamentarian-overrule-00425792

Thune says Senate won’t overrule parliamentarian​

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

The old Bait & switch game to divert attention until the real pea is totally hide.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Let me reiterate.

The Parliamentarian, Ms. MacDonough, does not have any real power. She is in an advisory role.

You ought to be lighting up the phones and email inboxes of the Senate, your Senators, Sen. Thune, and VP JD Vance.

They do not have to abide by her decision. It is voluntary to do so.

Items with a $200 tax collected on each transfer are budget items.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Senate Parliamentarian Strips Silencer, Short-Barrel Shotgun Deregulation From Budget Bill

The Senate’s top rule keeper has determined the effort to delist silencers, short-barrel rifles and shotguns, and other guns from the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 doesn’t fit within budget reconciliation rules.

thereload.com

 

[BurtG]

Organized crime oligarchy

 

[BurtG]

Let me reiterate.

The Parliamentarian, Ms. MacDonough, does not have any real power. She is in an advisory role.

You ought to be lighting up the phones and email inboxes of the Senate, your Senators, Sen. Thune, and VP JD Vance.

They do not have to abide by her decision. It is voluntary to do so.

Items with a $200 tax collected on each transfer are budget items.

They are the same tyrant scum as the democrats

 

[BurtG]

anybody getting tired of the blame game, "Oh, the Democrats blocked it. We tried." ????

“we need the house senate and presidency then we will repeal Obama care”

With a side of Trey gowdy chihuahua

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Senate Parliamentarian Strips Silencer, Short-Barrel Shotgun Deregulation From Budget Bill

The Senate’s top rule keeper has determined the effort to delist silencers, short-barrel rifles and shotguns, and other guns from the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 doesn’t fit within budget reconciliation rules.

thereload.com

The backlash ruffled feathers on The Hill, with some staffers complaining that the gun groups were fooling their followers on what could be done through the budget process.

“When these groups tell their members that major Second Amendment reforms can be accomplished through the Budget Reconciliation Process, that is misleading and dishonest,” a senior GOP staffer told The Reload at the time. “I thought a general rule of thumb – no matter what context – was to always under promise and over deliver. The sad part is that our most supportive Second Amendment voters are going to be disappointed no matter what we do because Congress cannot deliver what has been advertised to them.”

The Senate text also didn’t break out the section delisting the devices from the section zeroing out the tax on them, as the final House text did. That left no room for the parliamentarian to keep the less-controversial tax cut portion–at least on the first pass.

Now, gun-rights activists face a race against the clock as Republicans are trying to meet a self-imposed deadline for final passage of the bill that gives them just a week to get the behemoth to President Donald Trump’s desk. It’s unclear how much time remains to rerun provisions that have been knocked out of the bill or to offer up amendments on the floor after that process is over.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I do not think that there has been any vote at all.

Could you please provide a link?

Some that was a joke. There hasn’t been a vote but the parliamentarian (unelected official), pulled the NFA stuff from it, hence there will never be a vote on it.

 

[clcustom1911]

Is anybody getting tired of the blame game, "Oh, the Democrats blocked it. We tried." ????

So the only question from here is whether the Republicans meant it, in which case they will fix this, or they knew from the beginning that they could pretend but would not have to follow through, so 2A folks would keep voting for them while they point and said that bad old MacDonough, she did this. She's a Dem, you know. We're Republicans. We support your Second Amendment rights.

There is a really good argument that this is a tax issue directly affecting the budget.



OR, it is just the Republicans doing this:


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Its not over. Keep calling your senators.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Is anybody getting tired of the blame game, "Oh, the Democrats blocked it. We tried." ????

So the only question from here is whether the Republicans meant it, in which case they will fix this, or they knew from the beginning that they could pretend but would not have to follow through, so 2A folks would keep voting for them while they point and said that bad old MacDonough, she did this. She's a Dem, you know. We're Republicans. We support your Second Amendment rights.

There is a really good argument that this is a tax issue directly affecting the budget.



OR, it is just the Republicans doing this:


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I think you know the answer to this, but by all means y’all spend your whole day blowing up phones and such. I would love to be wrong.

 

[BurtG]

I think you know the answer to this, but by all means y’all spend your whole day blowing up phones and such. I would love to be wrong.

lol remember all the calls letters etc before coon care was passed ?

 

[Longshot231]

 

[AMGtuned]

Something something.....in common use....something something.


Sure seems to be a lot of 10.5/14.5 suppressed rifles in common use by our overlords and their protectors. Does that make them different?

Are they going to arrest half the country at once?

I know, I know.

 

[alpine44]

Give your senator your $0.05.

https://app.oneclickpolitics.com/campaign-page?cid=QS1fspcB9sorxFLO8x_A&lang=en

(link points to campaign from GOA)

 

[doubloon]

JD Vance could have voted as well

JD would be acting as the Presiding Officer I *think*, as such he would have the power to overrule the parliamentarian. If it wasn't him the it would be either Grassley or Roberts ... all "republicans", all with the power to overrule the strike depending on who's presiding

 

[91Eunozs]

Give your senator your $0.05.

https://app.oneclickpolitics.com/campaign-page?cid=QS1fspcB9sorxFLO8x_A&lang=en

(link points to campaign from GOA)

Done… plus calls to both Ted Cruz, and that RINO Cuck Cornyn who I’m actively working to Primary anyway.

 

[doubloon]

they knew from the beginning that they could pretend but would not have to follow through,

There is a really good argument that this is a tax issue directly affecting the budget.

Si.

So, below are the questions the parliamentarian has to ask itself about provisions in order to strike.

I have no idea which of these definitions were invoked to strike HPA/SHORT, not sure how to find out or if anybody knows

#3 seems like a stretch, #4 seems like less of a stretch

Either way, the presiding officer (Vance or Grassley or Roberts) has the power to overrule parliamentarian strikes but they didn't. A parliamentarian strike hasn't been overruled in a few decades.

Senators have absolutely no power to overrule at all unless they are 60+ strong and there are only 53 RINOs in office. The rest are communists or nihilists.

The senators understand these rules better than anybody. They had to know what they were proposing was eligible for strike and they absolutely knew they don't have the votes to push it through if struck. But by all means call them if you don't already own a fidget spinner.

The Rulz (I think)

A provision is considered to be extraneous if it falls under one or more of the following six definitions:

1. it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues or a change in the terms and conditions under which outlays are made or revenues are collected;
2. it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
3. it is outside of the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
4. it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the nonbudgetary components of the provision;
5. it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond the “budget window” covered by the reconciliation measure
6. it recommends changes in Social Security

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

The 2A part was a trade item from the get go.

 

[ToddM]

Yep this was never going to happen, especially once they tacked on removing SBR's and Silencers from the NFA, they might have had a slightly colder snowballs chance in hell if they had just left it as removing the $200 tax stamp.

This was always just about them tacking something on and being able to tell their voters they "tried". Knowing it was going to get removed, because they never had a chance at 60 votes and they were never going to buck the parliamentarian ruling.

 

[NoDopes]

Hey, at least my nobody is talking about that Epstein list.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I bet they kept all the money thrown at them tho from lobbyist to try to even get this on the bill. I told you guys. I waited at the tree for years. Nobody came. These people only get two things. One is money and the other is violence and chaos. People burned crap down and had the summer of love and people took notice. But nope, they don’t care about rogue conservative beliefs at all because they know you won’t ever go against the grain. We all too busy busting our ass in the system. They know this and know they can do whatever they want. But yeah, people keep on believing this old system still works. No i don’t know of a better form of gov, but this one is clearly broken. Won’t matter in a few years tho. We will be ruled by Muslims anyways so…

 

[CMP70306]

The Republicans should tell her to fuck off and pass it anyway, that’s what the Democrats do to them every time they get in power so turnabout should be fair game.

 

[JR_77]

The Republicans should tell her to fuck off and pass it anyway, that’s what the Democrats do to them every time they get in power so turnabout should be fair game.

YES!!!! Pass the bill out of the senate and house then send it to Trump to sign.

This so called neutral Parliamentarian is making these decisions based on the “Byrd Rule.” Robert Byrd, Biden’s mentor and former KKK member, is dictating rules from the grave on how the senate is run?

Screw that…move forward with or without the parliamentarian and the “Byrd Rule.”

If she throws a fit then replace her. Keep moving forward.