Precision Rifle Gear Sig KILO Warp WMLRF

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CrazyDoc said:
I'd like to know how they manage good returns with a 950nm laser in rain and fog. I practically only shoot at night in NW FL and nothing in the 900nm range has been able to punch fog/rain on bad nights when a 1550 still can.

I'm not saying it won't, but I haven't seen anything less than the 1550 be able to do it, which is what makes me more interested in the 15k for $5000 vs shelling out twice that on some of the other units when I want multiple rifles setup for taking my wife/daughter/dad out shooting.
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Yea, they won’t out performance the 1550. Just stating that I have seen the Sig binos outperform other in its class.

While waiting for fog to lift at a match, we had 6k and 10k ranging at 600 yard while other had a hard time getting 300 yards.

We had rain coming in the middle of a match and competitor started complaining, but the MD said you bought what you bought. And we kept shoot. Again, Sigs were performing better and I was able to arrange everything with my 6k. The Wilcox and Mars WMLRFs were the only ones to keep up.
 
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This is the first video I’ve seen on it. I’m pretty distrusting of sig right now and maybe I missed it but didn’t hear much about ab onboard or working with kestrel.

 
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Maurygold said:
I’m pretty distrusting of sig right now
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I am distrusting on anything Sig makes that goes bang. Not a fan of their development/beta/rollout/endless iterations style.

But . . . to be fair, their batting average on optics and LRFs is pretty good. They arguably have the most efficient LRF combo of hardware/software out there and at a very competitive price.
 
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Terry Cross said:
I am distrusting on anything Sig makes that goes bang. Not a fan of their development/beta/rollout/endless iterations style.

But . . . to be fair, their batting average on optics and LRFs is pretty good. They arguably have the most efficient LRF combo of hardware/software out there and at a very competitive price.
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I have a 5k that is unbelievably awesome, but I think the hardware on their LRFs is like 5-7 years old now. This is a pretty new package, I suspect it is more than just a repackaged 5k or binos since it is this late to the game. I would like to be wrong, and I hope this is awesome, but I'm not going to be one of their beta testers (first consumer to buy)

the retained velocity and energy on target on the home screen also gives me slight pause into how much they worked with credible sources on real beta testing/ dev
 
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Maurygold said:
I have a 5k that is unbelievably awesome, but I think the hardware on their LRFs is like 5-7 years old now. This is a pretty new package, I suspect it is more than just a repackaged 5k or binos since it is this late to the game.
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Does it matter that the hardware is X yrs old when it still outperforms most LRFs,..... some of which cost 2 or 3 times the $ ?
 
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If I could get sig 10k gen 2 laser, buttons, wind feature and return time with vectorx reticle and lieca geovid pro glass all would be great and I would be happy. As for this new warp wmlrf the tango is working great so far but looking forward to trying the warp.
 
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Terry Cross said:
Does it matter that the hardware is X yrs old when it still outperforms most LRFs,..... some of which cost 2 or 3 times the $ ?
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Oh not at all. I’m just questioning if it’s actually the same hardware since this has taken such a long time to come to market after the vortex
 
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Conqueror said:
There’s no good current technology that will give you a wind reading 700yds away just yet.
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Cynical said:
Seems like this effort by LM and also Tracking Point just kinda died an early death. Too bad.
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Why did it die? Did the anti-sniper systems like the Russians (Sosna-N) are using influence that?

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Wilcox, this is fucking ridiculous

Really Wilcox? A 20” long thick-ass cable with an 8” bend radius and no 90° plug because you didn’t ask Fischer to make one? You’re telling me not a single one of your beta testers upgraded from a Raptar and was like “yo, this new Ergocto cable is a dumpster fire?” I call bullshit. 😂 Now to...
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carbonbased said:
Why did it die? Did the anti-sniper systems like the Russians (Sosna-N) are using influence that?

www.snipershide.com

Wilcox, this is fucking ridiculous

Really Wilcox? A 20” long thick-ass cable with an 8” bend radius and no 90° plug because you didn’t ask Fischer to make one? You’re telling me not a single one of your beta testers upgraded from a Raptar and was like “yo, this new Ergocto cable is a dumpster fire?” I call bullshit. 😂 Now to...
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I don’t know and don’t even know enough to speculate. I only know how to pull the trigger when no one is shooting at me and I don’t have to walk very far.
 
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Maurygold said:
Not to derail but Its not. Mathematically it impacts trajectory significantly less than wind down the trajectory path.

Learn to read mirage and you’ll shoot better if you believe wind at shooter is relevant
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Litz claims wind at shooter is 70% of total

Part of the reason is that wind shooter deflect the bullet early in its course and it continues along that deflected trajectory all the rest of the way to the target. Wind right at target doesn’t have enough time to affect the projectile
 
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secondofangle2 said:
Litz claims wind at shooter is 70% of total

Part of the reason is that wind shooter deflect the bullet early in its course and it continues along that deflected trajectory all the rest of the way to the target. Wind right at target doesn’t have enough time to affect the projectile
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Where does the 70% come from? Genuinely curious.

I’m aware of the attached article below. I think one crucial element this overlooks is that the vast majority of ranges I’ve ever been to have berms and often if not almost always a shooting position without berms. This makes the wind at shooter irrelevant to the wind it may encounter for 85-90% of the flight path.

I would never argue reading mirage at target is more important than the shooter but instead the 30-60% portion of the down range mirage is most important and how I have always read wind.

I’ve never in my life seen a kestrel on a firing line at a f-class match or practice. Certainly says something about the accuracy of needing wind at shooter

 
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