Man, the bullshit is getting spread awfully thick !
.50 BMG B.S.
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I think that this guy's knowledge was proven to be extremely limited before... and that he spends a lot of time talking out the side of his neck.
The above clip demonstrates that he has no clue what a Ball/API/APIT or SLAP round will do to a human. That story was complete fabrication.
I'm willing to bet that this is no isolated occurrence as well.
The above clip demonstrates that he has no clue what a Ball/API/APIT or SLAP round will do to a human. That story was complete fabrication.
I'm willing to bet that this is no isolated occurrence as well.
"His upper body was gone but he took two more steps on the roof top..."
You give one a rope, and are surprised when he thinks he is a cowboy?
This is very common accross all facets of our modern dei society.
This is very common accross all facets of our modern dei society.
That guy is like the cliche sniper id run into on base. “10 shots on a dime at 1000, all day long” type of crap. No surprise ls here.
This one time, at band camp…
Almost sounds like a certain member here who only buys American
There comes a point where you claim so much, that people will start looking into it.
I unfortunately had a Marine - a frigging counterpart E6 - who constantly yapped about killing dudes as a prior infantryman in Afghanistan as well as the Iraqi invasion (even while we were deployed together in Iraq). Eventually, he ran his suck so much that his stories crossed, and his facts started to sound fishy... like 'so stupid it can't be real' fishy. I looked into his claims on MOL as I had 1stSgt privileges (that just let me look at everyone's basic record of service - but it includes their original contract information, individual awards, and deployment history)...
...Lo and behold, the dude was never prior infantry. He did do the Iraqi invasion kind of - but his deployment only listed "Kuwait". He was never in Afghanistan. He had never been in combat. In fact, he was wearing a lot of awards that he never earned. I passed the information to the other SNCOs, and we all just F-ed with the dude mercilessly without ever letting him know we were in on his charade. It became a game to us to ask him about his Afghanistan history, and he'd just ramble on and on like this fag in the video above. The junior Marines were told to ignore him.
... Then came the day that my counterpart went to the Career Course (professional school for E-6s), and came back after graduation with an additional 5 ribbons on his chest that he never earned - including a combat action ribbon. That was where we had enough and 'ran him up the flagpole'. He visited the Bn SgtMaj and came back rather sheepish, but no charges. However, he didn't learn his lesson and did the same frigging thing with the extra ribbons and medals for the Marine Corps Ball a few months later. He got photographed and ran up the flagpole again... and somehow got orders out of our Bn within the week.
I don't think anything administrative was ever done to him, which is B.S. He ended up retiring as an E-7, and ironically friend requested a bunch of us on Facebook.
We occasionally will comment on one of his photos with his new wife with an "Have him tell you about Afghanistan".
Just volunteering and serving is duty enough to prove that you have some fortitude as a human being. You don't need to embellish your record to make friends, and frequently you are going to pass off bullshit that is going to raise eyebrows of those who know better. At that point, you get whatever comes your way.
I unfortunately had a Marine - a frigging counterpart E6 - who constantly yapped about killing dudes as a prior infantryman in Afghanistan as well as the Iraqi invasion (even while we were deployed together in Iraq). Eventually, he ran his suck so much that his stories crossed, and his facts started to sound fishy... like 'so stupid it can't be real' fishy. I looked into his claims on MOL as I had 1stSgt privileges (that just let me look at everyone's basic record of service - but it includes their original contract information, individual awards, and deployment history)...
...Lo and behold, the dude was never prior infantry. He did do the Iraqi invasion kind of - but his deployment only listed "Kuwait". He was never in Afghanistan. He had never been in combat. In fact, he was wearing a lot of awards that he never earned. I passed the information to the other SNCOs, and we all just F-ed with the dude mercilessly without ever letting him know we were in on his charade. It became a game to us to ask him about his Afghanistan history, and he'd just ramble on and on like this fag in the video above. The junior Marines were told to ignore him.
... Then came the day that my counterpart went to the Career Course (professional school for E-6s), and came back after graduation with an additional 5 ribbons on his chest that he never earned - including a combat action ribbon. That was where we had enough and 'ran him up the flagpole'. He visited the Bn SgtMaj and came back rather sheepish, but no charges. However, he didn't learn his lesson and did the same frigging thing with the extra ribbons and medals for the Marine Corps Ball a few months later. He got photographed and ran up the flagpole again... and somehow got orders out of our Bn within the week.
I don't think anything administrative was ever done to him, which is B.S. He ended up retiring as an E-7, and ironically friend requested a bunch of us on Facebook.
We occasionally will comment on one of his photos with his new wife with an "Have him tell you about Afghanistan".
Just volunteering and serving is duty enough to prove that you have some fortitude as a human being. You don't need to embellish your record to make friends, and frequently you are going to pass off bullshit that is going to raise eyebrows of those who know better. At that point, you get whatever comes your way.
100%, but until this dude gets universally outed to where he can't profit from his story anymore, then it isn't enough.
It is a damn shame that these fucks have tarnished the credibility of everyone. Now with the Lutrell, O'neal, and Kyle bullshit I just assume they are full of shit. Back in the day you knew a man had been in some shit because he didn't talk about it.
He is tough to listen to. Ive listened to a few of his interviews over the years and they always have a couple what the fuck moments. Reminds of some ranger buddies so its really not his fault I guess.
Not a gun guy, not a ballistics guy and really only talks about what he has observed.
I know SOTIC trained ranger snipers who I have had to help zero their guns and set their shit up. Good guys but they only know what they were told, which was just enough to pull the trigger to mostly get hits on target within a couple shots.
Not uncommon for guys from LE/sniper community to really unimpressed you when it comes to guns/long range employment of the rifle.
Not a gun guy, not a ballistics guy and really only talks about what he has observed.
I know SOTIC trained ranger snipers who I have had to help zero their guns and set their shit up. Good guys but they only know what they were told, which was just enough to pull the trigger to mostly get hits on target within a couple shots.
Not uncommon for guys from LE/sniper community to really unimpressed you when it comes to guns/long range employment of the rifle.
I'm definitely going to agree with you on the occasional verified professional not knowing the ins and outs of ballistics etc... to the savants that occasionally grace us on this site.
But my problem comes from fabrication of stories.
It is like anything else in life; You are frequently excused if you don't know something and own up to it. You are not excused for lying or fabricating the truth (unless you're in Congress apparently).
Its really sad how these guys all start to puff up their stories once they get popular. Maybe its a money thing, they see more dollars the wilder their stories are and the more podcasts they can do?
They are already American badass warriors, they don't need to inflate their stories. In today world its so easy to discredit someone as everything is recorded and guys will step forward to call their bullshit. Why risk your honor and integrity for a few bucks? Foolish.
They are already American badass warriors, they don't need to inflate their stories. In today world its so easy to discredit someone as everything is recorded and guys will step forward to call their bullshit. Why risk your honor and integrity for a few bucks? Foolish.
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Tim Kennedy said something quite similar. So many clowns out there who should know better, spreading bullshit.
When I was infantry '97-'00 at Ft Campbell, it was a bullshit line that was "common knowledge" in our circle. Well, now that the mythbusters have demonstrated it's bullshit, even saw that Demolition Ranch disproved it as well, people should know better.
I saw a video from what i'm pretty sure was Iraq, humvee chasing after insurgents that had fired at them. Came around the corner and they were skirting the wall and the douce gunner let 'em have it. Killed the guys pretty good, but none of 'em emploded nor had limbs ripped off from near misses. Read another account of a soldier that was removing the barrel, but didn't clear it first, and supposedly went off and shot him through the gut. IIRC, he survived. I don't know the validity of that story though, could be complete bullshit. There is a lot of that going around.
When I was infantry '97-'00 at Ft Campbell, it was a bullshit line that was "common knowledge" in our circle. Well, now that the mythbusters have demonstrated it's bullshit, even saw that Demolition Ranch disproved it as well, people should know better.
I saw a video from what i'm pretty sure was Iraq, humvee chasing after insurgents that had fired at them. Came around the corner and they were skirting the wall and the douce gunner let 'em have it. Killed the guys pretty good, but none of 'em emploded nor had limbs ripped off from near misses. Read another account of a soldier that was removing the barrel, but didn't clear it first, and supposedly went off and shot him through the gut. IIRC, he survived. I don't know the validity of that story though, could be complete bullshit. There is a lot of that going around.
Former Mil/Le are still the largest purveyors of FUD lore. Nothing new.
That’s pretty much what I have seen when hunting with .50.
Except with those thin jacketed 500 grain Hawk bullets…
Branden and I have played with enough .50s and have enough common sense to know it is absolute BS. I was pissed when Kennedy mouthed off that BS. But, what do you expect from him?
Anyways, these BS stories, fabrications only support gun control agendas by pushing a false narrative and create a stigma around the .50 BMG.
Anyways
Barnes was making 647grn Barnes X projos for the .50 BMG. I have a couple of those 647grn Barnes loaded up with 245grns of 20N29 behind them, makes for a lot of fun squirrel hunting.
I shared this in the previous thread on this subject.
Here is a good analysis of a video by Piet Malan from Impact Shooting.
This video he analyzes was on the LunkersTV channel with Robert Terkla hosting Nicholas Irving at his north Texas ranch / "training facility." Terkla was a DM, if I remember correctly.
Here is the follow-up video that Piet did to show how it should be done.
Here is a good analysis of a video by Piet Malan from Impact Shooting.
This video he analyzes was on the LunkersTV channel with Robert Terkla hosting Nicholas Irving at his north Texas ranch / "training facility." Terkla was a DM, if I remember correctly.
Here is the follow-up video that Piet did to show how it should be done.
and many a target stand and t-posts for targets....fucker......sorry about your target
I hate the .50. Outside of limited envelope there is almost always a better choice.
Its hard as fuck to control and accurately shoot without a T&E which means your shit out of luck mounted on a gun truck. It has no safety (unless you stick a spent case under the butterfly), pain in the ass dealing with headspace/timing, is heavy as fuck and limited belt size. The 50s we were running with build in the 1930s and still had wood handles.
I hated running one and would have MUCH preferred a 240 or even a MK19. Much better platforms to either quickly put accurate rounds on target or blow the fuck out of it with HEDP. I have seen all 3 used against vbieds and cars trying to get close to a convoy and its not even close which one stopped them the quickest. 40 mike mike for the win.
Never got why people loved them. Sometimes bigger is not better. Unless were talking about girth and explosive payload
Its hard as fuck to control and accurately shoot without a T&E which means your shit out of luck mounted on a gun truck. It has no safety (unless you stick a spent case under the butterfly), pain in the ass dealing with headspace/timing, is heavy as fuck and limited belt size. The 50s we were running with build in the 1930s and still had wood handles.
I hated running one and would have MUCH preferred a 240 or even a MK19. Much better platforms to either quickly put accurate rounds on target or blow the fuck out of it with HEDP. I have seen all 3 used against vbieds and cars trying to get close to a convoy and its not even close which one stopped them the quickest. 40 mike mike for the win.
Never got why people loved them. Sometimes bigger is not better. Unless were talking about girth and explosive payload
I sat between an M2 and a MK19 (both mounted in cradles) off and on for about 13 years. I much preferred the .50 simply because it jammed less, and if there was a malfunction I could clear it from inside the turret and not have to climb halfway outside. Somebody way before me coined the term "bronze star reload", and that always made me chuckle.
Really, just the geometry of the feed chute running to the MK19 was off in the design for our turrets. Ground mounted those worked 10x more reliably. I digress.
Bonus that I got to use a 7x day optic with both machine guns. The night optics were trash until we got the M36E3 TSS, which was a thermal sight with 18x capability...but that wasn't until ca 2009 and I was in the twilight of getting to do anything cool anymore. Our MOS was already dead at that point and I only deployed once more as provisional mech infantry (if you want to call it that) on an SPMAGTF of all cake deployments. I then went from a wannabe FAG, to just a fag behind a desk for my last 8+ years.
I'm reminiscing now, and that's dangerous for an old fart...
Really, just the geometry of the feed chute running to the MK19 was off in the design for our turrets. Ground mounted those worked 10x more reliably. I digress.
Bonus that I got to use a 7x day optic with both machine guns. The night optics were trash until we got the M36E3 TSS, which was a thermal sight with 18x capability...but that wasn't until ca 2009 and I was in the twilight of getting to do anything cool anymore. Our MOS was already dead at that point and I only deployed once more as provisional mech infantry (if you want to call it that) on an SPMAGTF of all cake deployments. I then went from a wannabe FAG, to just a fag behind a desk for my last 8+ years.
I'm reminiscing now, and that's dangerous for an old fart...
Saw a video a while back of him shooting. Very unimpressive. I mean like similiar to how guys shoot that I introduce to mid range shooting inside 600 yards for the first time. Surely our .mil sniper programs turn out better shooters than this blow hard????
Buddy had a 50BMG at one time. We shot a few does with it meat hunting. Nothing special but bullets were not expansion jackets and really made basically just a straight through bore sized hole with way less energy transfer than an expanding hunting bullet from .243, .308 etc.
Buddy had a 50BMG at one time. We shot a few does with it meat hunting. Nothing special but bullets were not expansion jackets and really made basically just a straight through bore sized hole with way less energy transfer than an expanding hunting bullet from .243, .308 etc.
Headspace and timing was easy, just ensure you have the go/no go keys with you. Tit in the window, thread in and back off three clicks always worked for me.I hate the .50. Outside of limited envelope there is almost always a better choice.
Its hard as fuck to control and accurately shoot without a T&E which means your shit out of luck mounted on a gun truck. It has no safety (unless you stick a spent case under the butterfly), pain in the ass dealing with headspace/timing, is heavy as fuck and limited belt size. The 50s we were running with build in the 1930s and still had wood handles.
I hated running one and would have MUCH preferred a 240 or even a MK19. Much better platforms to either quickly put accurate rounds on target or blow the fuck out of it with HEDP. I have seen all 3 used against vbieds and cars trying to get close to a convoy and its not even close which one stopped them the quickest. 40 mike mike for the win.
Never got why people loved them. Sometimes bigger is not better. Unless were talking about girth and explosive payload
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New ones don’t require it.
I would have replied to buy American, but he isn’t accepting new friends at the moment
I miss the old days. This is when I did an AC/RC stunt and ran a 2 week range density to train our augmentees. We played with everything from the M9 to the MK19 with HEDP. Those were some good times and some frustrating times.
I played with the old ones, I saw a Soldier in Iraq that had been njured because he failed to headspace and time his M2. He was on his third M2. We were ripping and I saw him putting the M2 into action when I asked him about headspace and timing. he looked surprised and I very clearly remember him saying "these take keys?" as he was looking around the M2
. I gave him a quick lesson on it and out the wire we went. It was wild, and I was floored by this encounter. I couldn't wrap my head around the idea that a Soldier was plkaced on a weapon system that he was obviously not trained and qualified on. All my guys were trained and qualified on every weapon system my BN had.
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Makes no sense to send guys packing weapons they don’t know how to use, but I believe it happens.I played with the old ones, I saw a Soldier in Iraq that had been njured because he failed to headspace and time his M2. He was on his third M2. We were ripping and I saw him putting the M2 into action when I asked him about headspace and timing. he looked surprised and I very clearly remember him saying "these take keys?" as he was looking around the M2
All my guys were trained and qualified on every weapon system my BN had.
Good on you for taking the time to train your dudes
There was all sorts of "shenanigans" early Iraq!! It was a crazy place, chaotic.
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Should have been proficient on those things before sergeant time training turned into an Xbox showdown.
Time to fight is too late for time to learn the basics
05/06, 04 would have been even wilder but Samara Mosque bombing gave us a good taste of crazy.
I guess I've been out of the loop for too long. Seriously.
It was always a thing for me to advance my timing just enough to get that cyclic rate closer to the max (575 rounds per minute) vs the minimum (450). If it sounded a bit closer to an M240 I was happy.
Great times. Truly the wild wild West.
Heres a mk19, go learn it your going to be a gunner now. Mission briefing is at 0500 tommrow be ready to roll at 0430. Hey Sgt can you show me how to work this thing? Hell if I know go find someone.
Watching dude ND a mk19 into a charging/firing birm was hilarious. What wasn't was when someone ND a .50 and it sent a round across the base and hit an armored HET with 2 dudes sleeping in it. That's how you go from e4 to e2 in an afternoon.
I could write a book about the shit we saw and did. From orgy's to getting drunk on mission to guys getting popped by CID for robbing every aafes in theater. Smoking weed and getting pissed tested a week later and somehow not popping. 1st Sgt relieved for fucking an e4 ( she was smoking hot at least) to his wife selling all his shit back home and sending him via APO boxes with his clothes and shit. Guy wins silver star for giving his life to other guys getting nothing for legit acts of heroism under fire. Watching a buddy tell the xo he's going to cut his head off and fuck the hole...he gets sent home and is now run some vet org. Me and 2 e4 buddies embarrassing our CO in front of the 3 star NGB commander calling him an incompetent retard in front of him. One of the e4s was the nephew of the general so not shit they could do. Throwing gatorade bottles of piss into the open windows of Iraqis..sometimes causing horrible accidents .Our black Baltimore City hood rat e6 cook goes crazy and decides to run through the base naked at like 0700... Tries to go in chow hall and gets shit kicked out of him by MPs and sent home. The little nympho chick that was fucking so many dudes she had a full time wm battle assigned to her. Until they found out they were a team and were partners in crime. She was made a big hero back in Nebraska ...married of course hahaha. 4 guys killed due to leadership failures. Buddy taking a shit in a shitter trailer gets a phillepnio dick in his face via glory hole...holds the dude a knifepoint.. had to be dragged off. E6.and e4 both married get caught fucking in a connex named the love shack. Guys going home to fuck their battles wife on leave. Stealing trucks from the port from other units and torching em/using for gunnery practice. Whole connexes full of pyro and demo that "mostly" was accounted for. We had a hell of a new year show. LT shoots up a bus full of Iraqis towards end of tour and it flips and catches fire killing em all. No one cares. And much much more. All over the course of about 15 months. Wild wild West indeed. If we weren't so scared of getting killed every minute of the day could have really enjoyed it.
