Ukraine war Bullshit.

#4,751
GreenGO Juan said:
Yep. But if the idea of them raiding the capital had been enough to get the Ukrainian government to flee, cause enough disruption in ranks , disorganization in how to respond it could have worked. I think that was their aim. With out too much sacrifice from the Russians.

It didn’t work. Why I use the term hail marry, as it has a very little chance of success but if it does, all the better.
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Personally I'm of almost the same idea but think the Russian goal was to put pressure on Ukraine to bring them to the negotiating table. Say they could use the airport it would have taken at least a couple days to get in the VDV's equipment, which means they weren't moving into a hostile city for say three days in which the Ukraines could get organised. So overall I'm not sure if they ever intended to reach Kiev with any sort of seriuos intention.
It could have also been a feint. Two thirds of the Russian forces were location in the south/Donbas and they did a pretty good job.

sharac said:
Couple? To seriously fight for Kiev without defense collapsing and political crash you would need “several” divisions or combined armies in range of 200k+ men and with full logistical support.

Edited: To clarify this relates to incursion and “shock therapy” not to actual events.
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Google say the US has about twenty active divisions across the US Army and National Guard, these are the sort of number you are starting to look at for taking Kiev against armed resistance.
 
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375fan said:
Trump needs to grab that little fuck, put him over his knee and spank his brains out.
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he might like it

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babyguppy said:
WEF wants to replace them with Africans.
1.7 million people who were willing to fight for their country.
625,000 thousand, in 2025.......only about 6-7 months....
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Propagandized fools, Amped up Neo-Nazis and poor kidnapped/conscripted/pressganged youth.

Just like in every other big war, the Global Elites are happy that the future of the country and the future generations are being wiped out in a pointless war for nothing so that they can eliminate yet another "white" place and replace it with "useful followers" according to plan.
 
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Just under 2M is the number that has been discussed for some time in various circles, but Douglas MacGregor has been very outspoken about the fallacy of the official KIA. The reasoning behind not disclosing the actual number has been argued, but the reasons come down to not allowing the enemy to know the damage inflicted but also to keep the rest of the western populace from being aware of just how bad the losses are so they don't start asking why their tax dollars are being spent on a lost cause.
 
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lariat said:
Just under 2M is the number that has been discussed for some time in various circles, but Douglas MacGregor has been very outspoken about the fallacy of the official KIA. The reasoning behind not disclosing the actual number has been argued, but the reasons come down to not allowing the enemy to know the damage inflicted but also to keep the rest of the western populace from being aware of just how bad the losses are so they don't start asking why their tax dollars are being spent on a lost cause.
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It's also to keep your local population from completely revolting against your stealing, grifting asses.

I have to wonder however, how many of those simply deserted or were turned into pink mist in the many cruise missile attacks never to be heard from again.
 
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NoDopes said:
It's also to keep your local population from completely revolting against your stealing, grifting asses.

I have to wonder however, how many of those simply deserted or were turned into pink mist in the many cruise missile attacks never to be heard from again.
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Like the UK, importing 25K afgan fighters and wants to send their current military (Christians) to the UK. Starmer making sure their is no one to stand up to him when the time comes.
Why the fk Z is still in power.... I guess the WEF still wants their war.
 
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babyguppy said:

Putin’s forces are barely above Third World level​


^dreamers
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Edsel said:
Just heard some very interesting narratives from the online punditry relating to Ukraine somewhat…

1. Russia is so crippled by sanctions and impoverished to the point that it’s stripping chips from Chinese washing machines to sustain its military equipment

2. Russia must be stopped because it’s an overwhelming, unstoppable behemoth with expansionist ambitions that will eventually be marching through Paris

Which one should we believe? :ROFLMAO:
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Along the same vein…
 
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babyguppy said:
Russia, has reminded Muslims around the world, Russia has no problem, introducing them to Alah.
Grozny is the reminder, FAFO
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Paradoxically, our hearts bleed with such overwhelming sympathy for the Turkic jihadists from…

…Xinjiang.

Ohh, save the Muslims.

The Muslims are being oppressed.

The Muslims are being sterilized.

Gee, I wonder why
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NoDopes said:
It's also to keep your local population from completely revolting against your stealing, grifting asses.

I have to wonder however, how many of those simply deserted or were turned into pink mist in the many cruise missile attacks never to be heard from again.
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How many monthly checks get deposited to z-boys bitch fund if they don't get reported dead?

They also won't pay the family for the death as promised.

Win win, all we do is win.
 
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We’ll see if lists are true they appear to be very detailed with names and other details that would take a long time to fake and easily proven as fake. I would say also Russia has no interest in making big deal out of number of denazified persons as their goal is to kill whatever comes infront of their weapons, once the flow of meat dries up one of their goals is achieved and territories automatically come under Russian control. Timing though appears to be also very convenient and my guess is that things are dire in the Ukieland and US aka trump being smart enough to try to exit the shitshow thats about to begin with front collapsing. Does anyone actually believe that West would engage in negotiations if it wasn’t loosing? Thats like colonialism for dummies “when faced with defeat negotiate with natives and when stronger simply ignore any deals made”.
 
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kortik said:
Completely off topic, but I'm so sick and tired of all this uke related shit, decided to post something really positive:

I feel both of them are the best pair of dancers of all times, with Rita Hayworth being the most gorgeous...
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Trivia note: Harry Cohn didn't want Rita to sing in any of the movies. Another lady's voice was usually dubbed in to make it appear that Rita was singing.



In the movie, "Gilda," Anita Ellis was the singing voice behind Rita.



The only time we hear Rita's real singing voice is when she sings with her guitar in the same movie.



For those that have the time, this is one of the best movies that Rita Hayworth and Glen Ford starred in. It's hard to imagine Glen Ford playing a complete schmuck and Rita Hayworth as a lying, two-faced, gutter slut of a cheating gypsy that plays him like a Stradivarius.



We now return you to the war in Ukraine. Enjoy the killing.
 
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BobKaare said:
Just proves how utterly corrupt media today has become.
Not to mention how cucked the Germans today are, they just lay down and take it.
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Despite multiple nation investigations stating that the operation could only be conducted by a nation state, and that the means, motive and opportunity all lining up with the USA (along with threats by Biden, Nuland and others to take out Nordstream), the media is still clinging to the narrative that it was a couple of rogue Ukrainians on a sailboat. GTFO with that bullshit.

And yeah, Germany is just a mere vassal state now. Amazing how big of pushovers they are.
 
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Longshot231 said:
Trivia note: Harry Cohn didn't want Rita to sing in any of the movies. Another lady's voice was usually dubbed in to make it appear that Rita was singing.



In the movie, "Gilda," Anita Ellis was the singing voice behind Rita.



The only time we hear Rita's real singing voice is when she sings with her guitar in the same movie.



For those that have the time, this is one of the best movies that Rita Hayworth and Glen Ford starred in. It's hard to imagine Glen Ford playing a complete schmuck and Rita Hayworth as a lying, two-faced, gutter slut of a cheating gypsy that plays him like a Stradivarius.



We now return you to the war in Ukraine. Enjoy the killing.
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those are classics, and I found them watching Glen Ford. Rita was the hottest back in her day. Sad she got Alzheimer's.
She had a rough life growing up.
 
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kthomas said:
Doesn't suit the narrative.

It also doesn't help that our media sees themselves as stenographers rather than journalists who are supposed to hold power to account.
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And, one step further......They would not have become "stenographers" unless they fully embraced the narrative/agenda being pedaled.

The msm is completely useless. It is actually refreshing to see that more and more people have stopped being so lazy and they are starting to wake up to this fact. I think that the single biggest event where the msm shot themselves in the foot was CV-19. Very few people believe their bullshit anymore.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
And, one step further......They would not have become "stenographers" unless they fully embraced the narrative/agenda being pedaled.

The msm is completely useless. It is actually refreshing to see that more and more people have stopped being so lazy and they are starting to wake up to this fact. I think that the single biggest event where the msm shot themselves in the foot was CV-19. Very few people believe their bullshit anymore.
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I think it's worth pointing out as well that the government has worked pretty hard at co-opting the media. Just look at Operation Mockingbird - the CIA had many journalists and editors on the payroll back in the 70's. I can't imagine what they are doing now, ~50 years later. Impossible to know without another Church committee, but its absolutely foolish to think that they decided to stop right there in the 70's.
 
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kthomas said:
I think it's worth pointing out as well that the government has worked pretty hard at co-opting the media. Just look at Operation Mockingbird - the CIA had many journalists and editors on the payroll back in the 70's. I can't imagine what they are doing now, ~50 years later. Impossible to know without another Church committee, but its absolutely foolish to think that they decided to stop right there in the 70's.
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Agreed. And another "subtle" point is that I don't think the msm in general even needed to be "convinced". I think they climbed on board willingly and quickly.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
Agreed. And another "subtle" point is that I don't think the msm in general even needed to be "convinced". I think they climbed on board willingly and quickly.
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There's definitely a perverse incentive for media to stay in the good graces of government, from maintaining direct sources to satisfying their own egos and hanging with the elite political class and being in the social circle orbit.

They certainly don't seem to care when their direct government source, whether it's CIA or other, gives them complete BS to spread in order to manufacture a narrative.
 
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sharac said:
We’ll see if lists are true they appear to be very detailed with names and other details that would take a long time to fake and easily proven as fake. I would say also Russia has no interest in making big deal out of number of denazified persons as their goal is to kill whatever comes infront of their weapons, once the flow of meat dries up one of their goals is achieved and territories automatically come under Russian control. Timing though appears to be also very convenient and my guess is that things are dire in the Ukieland and US aka trump being smart enough to try to exit the shitshow thats about to begin with front collapsing. Does anyone actually believe that West would engage in negotiations if it wasn’t loosing? Thats like colonialism for dummies “when faced with defeat negotiate with natives and when stronger simply ignore any deals made”.
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have doubts. Trump said he would,could,should end it on 1/21. was he too stupid,too scared,too controlled to end it quick like he claimed/said he would? that and his unstinting support for Israel are 2 things that have gotten a lot of MAGA criticism and disappointment. worth nothing,but i include myself in that crowd. domestically he is not doing enough fast enough but that may be the best he can do under the circumstances he faces. the financial issues,budget,debt crisis is not an issue for this thread.
 
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kthomas said:
There's definitely a perverse incentive for media to stay in the good graces of government, from maintaining direct sources to satisfying their own egos and hanging with the elite political class and being in the social circle orbit.

They certainly don't seem to care when their direct government source, whether it's CIA or other, gives them complete BS to spread in order to manufacture a narrative.
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"There's definitely a perverse incentive for media to stay in the good graces of government"........

Agreed, but I look at it a little differently. I think it has more to do with the fact that the msm is as "on board" with the agenda (if not more) than the government is. In other words, it's kind of hard to tell which one of them is further out in front in terms of promoting their agenda. It's a fine point that doesn't really need to be debated. Whether the overall picture is as you describe or as I describe, the end result is the same.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
"There's definitely a perverse incentive for media to stay in the good graces of government"........

Agreed, but I look at it a little differently. I think it has more to do with the fact that the msm is as "on board" with the agenda (if not more) than the government is. In other words, it's kind of hard to tell which one of them is further out in front in terms of promoting their agenda. It's a fine point that doesn't really need to be debated. Whether the overall picture is as you describe or as I describe, the end result is the same.
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It's definitely become that way.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
And, one step further......They would not have become "stenographers" unless they fully embraced the narrative/agenda being pedaled.

The msm is completely useless. It is actually refreshing to see that more and more people have stopped being so lazy and they are starting to wake up to this fact. I think that the single biggest event where the msm shot themselves in the foot was CV-19. Very few people believe their bullshit anymore.
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I'm not being argumentative but for them to be considered shot in the foot, they would have had to be good then had a temporary bad.
Not the case with these fuckers, they have been beyond bad for a very long time. But I do understand your point.

When are people going to wake up, all the information is there for them to view and read, same as it is for us.
We are in very dangerous times.
Next presidential election and the new administration could very well sink us
 
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babyguppy said:

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Putin’s forces are barely above Third World level​


^dreamers
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I agree that the article, that centers on stand-off weapons and technology is a bunch of bullshit. However, since Putin's "modernization" of his armed forces, starting with their first foray (the invasion of South Ossetia Under Bush) we have seen constant and sustained poor discipline among their infantry, and a centralized command structure with no field leadership. This was and is a continuation of all the tactical and strategic disabilities of an officer corps that acts like it is still issuing orders at the barrel of a commissar's Makarov. Following orders is the only imperative. Battlefield leadership is almost non-existent. In terms of structural disadvantages of Russian ground forces these cultural and institutional deficiencies are far more fatal than any technology gap...IMHO.
 
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oneshot86 said:
I'm not being argumentative but for them to be considered shot in the foot, they would have had to be good then had a temporary bad.
Not the case with these fuckers, they have been beyond bad for a very long time. But I do understand your point.

When are people going to wake up, all the information is there for them to view and read, same as it is for us.
We are in very dangerous times.
Next presidential election and the new administration could very well sink us
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I think the silver lining is that more and more people are waking up to this fact. Is it enough ? I don't know ? Is it enough to keep the dims from winning future elections ? I don't know. You could very well be right if we lose the next house or senate election(s).
 
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