Ukraine war Bullshit.

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They appear to sport these “Punisher” logos, too.

I thought that was a fetish only we had, that they were only considered cute in our "culture."

Note choice of adjective: “Game - changing.” Applied to almost every weapon we have gifted to them so far.

Game - changing HIMARS.

Game - changing F-16s.

Game - changing M1Ax and Leopard tanks.

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Even Google's AI bot has kept track.
 
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As much as one might find this funny or dismiss it as "look at them idiots" one needs to take lessons from it, how far is the "system" willing to go, what kind of "Berlin bunker orgies" level of absurdity can be reached before the gig is up and collapses. This is especially true for the West in light of domestic issues with crime, illegals and government control. Its terrifying how bad must it get before enough critical mass is reached for something to be done about it.
 
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sharac said:
As much as one might find this funny or dismiss it as "look at them idiots" one needs to take lessons from it, how far is the "system" willing to go, what kind of "Berlin bunker orgies" level of absurdity can be reached before the gig is up and collapses. This is especially true for the West in light of domestic issues with crime, illegals and government control. Its terrifying how bad must it get before enough critical mass is reached for something to be done about it.
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Satire is a reflection that makes looking at ourselves more bearable...
 
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nkk said:
I trigger demorat, American value hating snowflakes like you for free. With this thing called the internet you can do it from anywhere, a trench, a Walmart and even your sweat stained couch. The world is truly an amazing place.
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By your response I am going to say that it's an actual MOS.
Are your bosses conscripting young men for jobs like yours or just as fodder for the Russians? What is the age limit for conscription? Is it just 18 to 25 year olds or is it higher than 25?
 
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sharac said:
What some of you seem to omit and is rather important is the whole CISR package that is provided to the Ukrainians. So if you are objective and honest there can be only one conclusion on the involvement of the West and that is that West is actively participating in war with Russia. The only reason why this isnt an all out or nuclear is because Russia decided not to hit sources of help (command/logistics centers in Germany, Romania, Poland, starlink and other satellites, Nato drones in international airspace) why this is so only they know for sure but answers in the line of “were slowly cooking the western frog near our borders” seems logical however some (like idiots here) consider this a weakness as they must be weak since they dont run over Ukraine in a week and slap us in the face or our mighty army would crush Russia in half an hour.
PCR considers not striking West a blunder by Putin as only force is recognized. He knows how US apparatus breathes so he might be correct and i would tend to agree that if pushed and bullied best response is full force retaliation however i suspect things at this level are not so simple.

PS: Those that “hate” Russia or people of Russia are really bigots as now they have perfect opportunity to put their training and hate to use and join the Ukrops in “killing commies…”
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I think this point was brought up during the Ak meeting & Trump & his staff were told behind those closed doors what was going to happen if it did not stop. I don't think Putin white washed it either, the reason,... The whole US side,... looked so scared when the meeting was over. I think Russia is done with the Wests B/S logic and are about to remove their self imposed rules and see if the west really wants, what they had wished for,...
 
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I’m not sure anymore i really tend to believe that some in US apparatus are really mentally ill and would actually risk nuclear war as in true conspiracy theory of evil lizard jew entoftimes kook variety. Rationale and logic simply fails to explain some of the last few years.
 
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sharac said:
I’m not sure anymore i really tend to believe that some in US apparatus are really mentally ill and would actually risk nuclear war as in true conspiracy theory of evil lizard jew entoftimes kook variety. Rationale and logic simply fails to explain some of the last few years.
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Most every thing from klinton forward can be explained by the following three letters,...M I C,... and in the last 5 years it could mean Military Industrial Complex, or Medical industrial complex, but the goal of each is the same. In the last month a new US cartel has been spanned the BII industrial complex. Bankers colluding with ins company's to force foreclosures so wall street can scoop up the property's, One in Five homes sold in the last year have been bought by large investment company's. Some wars are via ink only,....
 
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nkk said:
What kind of cope is this? Ukrainian soldiers didn't do anything, but if they did it's because USA, with a little "two weeks to kyiv" mixed in. Flavorful. Impressive.
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Its not a cope.

Its the Truth.

With out the assistance, you would have been and nearly were steam rolled.

This being my other issues, these ungrateful fucks completely dismiss the fact that they were propped up by the collective west. Completely fucking ungrateful for the 184 billion dollars, the man power, the intel, starlink, food, clothing, fuel, Transformers for you power grid.

Nobody is denying the sacrifice of the Ukrainan solider, accept your own government who will not share accurate casualty #'s. The informed recognize that you were not alone, you are not some underdog, fighting of the big bad bear all alone. You literally have the support of the largest and most powerful military apparatus that has ever been on the globe in written history.

Fucking hell you people are retarded.

Example. With out Himars taking out the Antonovsky Bridge in Kherson, you'd have completely lost Odessa by now. Which was gifted to you on the backs of the US taxpayer, the people the majority of this forum are made up of. Show some god damn respect Slavic special ed.
 
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Ukrops are slavic traitors and although very useful for your purposes you will find out how grateful they really are when they turn to bite in blind rage for being defeated. The scum of Ukraine will be a real nightmare for EU or US (if not put down and allowed to eacape to the west) in years to come.
 
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Edsel said:


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They appear to sport these “Punisher” logos, too.

I thought that was a fetish only we had, that they were only considered cute in our "culture."

Note choice of adjective: “Game - changing.” Applied to almost every weapon we have gifted to them so far.

Game - changing HIMARS.

Game - changing F-16s.

Game - changing M1Ax and Leopard tanks.

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Even Google's AI bot has kept track.
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Since the Hohols are playing out the whole nazi motif, Instead of "game changing weapons" they should just stick with the nazi's term "wonder weapons" Wunderwaffen.
 
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Edsel said:


YouTube recently took down one of my videos showcasing the Azov Nazis doing the Sieg Heil routine.

Still on Twitter.
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Sieg Heil! Hitler Jugend! with a heavy slavic accent. 🤣 it's like bizarro world.

Generalplan Ost: Ukraine was to be repopulated by Germans after the extermination or deportation of its native inhabitants - the Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians.
 
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Commies -
Here's a statue of Lenin. His party, taken over by Stalin, killed over 40million of their OWN people.
The Statue of Lenin is a 16 ft (5 m) bronze statue of Russian communist
celebrated in Seattle (of course) fk'n commies

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Here's another picture of a MASS MURDERER / commie
Moa killed over 100 million of his own people

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Commies......
Russia invaded Poland, Russia invaded Ukraine..
commies.. more dangerous and always blaming someone else.

On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east
On 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine, starting the largest and deadliest war in Europe since World War II,

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babyguppy said:
Commies -
Here's a statue of Lenin. His party, taken over by Stalin, killed over 40million of their OWN people.
The Statue of Lenin is a 16 ft (5 m) bronze statue of Russian communist
celebrated in Seattle (of course) fk'n commies

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Here's another picture of a MASS MURDERER / commie
Moa killed over 100 million of his own people

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Commies......
Russia invaded Poland, Russia invaded Ukraine..
commies.. more dangerous and always blaming someone else.

On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east
On 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine, starting the largest and deadliest war in Europe since World War II,

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a man in a suit and tie is standing in front of a sign that says my spouse is sleeping around .


Lenin Statues in Seattle, a Georgian in Moscow, Mao in China, conflating the Soviet Union with the Russian Federation, and a list of countries that have been at war for various reasons over the years.
 
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babyguppy said:
Commies -
Here's a statue of Lenin. His party, taken over by Stalin, killed over 40million of their OWN people.
The Statue of Lenin is a 16 ft (5 m) bronze statue of Russian communist
celebrated in Seattle (of course) fk'n commies

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Here's another picture of a MASS MURDERER / commie
Moa killed over 100 million of his own people

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Commies......
Russia invaded Poland, Russia invaded Ukraine..
commies.. more dangerous and always blaming someone else.

On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east
On 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine, starting the largest and deadliest war in Europe since World War II,

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Excellent, now do the same list for the same time period but with countries the USA has been at war with or has invaded since 1918...

Oh and while you are at it, add in how many countries the USA has had troops killing people in during that same time frame even if it wasn't an actual "war"...
 
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Darayavaus said:
M4s and AR15s are not going to change anything in Ukraine. we've shat out 10's of thousands of them over there already, and the Russians have been capturing them from the beginning. As everyone here who actually shoots already knows, they are ancient technology, not superweapons.



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I seem to recall back some years ago, seeing pictures of Russian unmarked "special" troops walking around with AR15 style rifles...
 
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sharac said:
…i really tend to believe that some in US apparatus are really mentally ill and would actually risk nuclear war…
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Our history is actually quite rich in that, a fact that would be very hard to dispute.

In the context of the Ukraine crisis, American foreign policy has significantly increased the existential threat to Moscow, making the need for Russia to prevail a bitter pill to swallow - a reality accepted by neither America nor its Western European allies. This dynamic creates a dangerous situation where, if Russia begins to lose, it might resort to nuclear weapons to salvage the situation. Historically, during the Cold War, NATO had similar plans to use nuclear weapons if conventional forces were overwhelmed.

Another instance is Iran. Iran's nuclear ambitions are largely driven by a rational desire for deterrence, given its perception of being in the crosshairs of the United States and Israel. A military strike would likely fail to permanently dismantle Iran's nuclear program, as Tehran could rebuild its facilities with greater secrecy and fortification - the results would probably speak for themselves at this point. This could also push Iran to forge stronger ties with major powers like Russia and China, which would be detrimental to U.S. strategic interests.

In the spirit of our beloved 2nd Amendment along with Robert Heinlein’s "an armed society is a polite society" quote - one might even argue that every sovereign territory should possess some form of nuclear deterrent, as crazy as it may sound.
 
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Edsel said:
The allegation that Russia aims to invade all of Europe and reconstitute the former Soviet Union stems from a superficial or poor understanding of its strategic goals. The most commonly cited “evidence” for such is very loosely inferred from Putin’s 2021 essay on Russian - Ukrainian unity. This is the idea that the Russophobic Western Europe largely subscibes to.

In reality, Russia’s actions are primarily driven by security concerns identical to our own.
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Russian security concerns are far more local than NATO’s. Team America world police.
 
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theLBC said:
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Certainly the Teutonics invaded, but it just depends on what era you are considering. They invade each other. Don’t forget that Hitler and Stalin were buddies cutting up Poland. Battlefield Europa has been going on a very long time. It’s this period of prolonged peace that has defeated them all.

Putin probably thinks of them as weak and decadent in the old Soviet manner, but then his little empire is a lot weaker too.

I saw a documentary about how Estonia would fight if invaded, and they basically skip uniformed, maneuver warfare entirely and go straight to guerrilla. Their national guard is basically everyone, and they provide guerrilla training to everyone of fighting age. Lots of bomb shelters in those three little countries. That said, they know they’ll get smoked if invaded.
 
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sharac said:
I agree wholeheartedly but still whole game of MAD and 2nd rests on premise that most of the participants are rational and sane. What happens when one actually tries to appear or is de facto insane.
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That’s what we always try to make “the other guy” appear as.

Sovereign nations capable of developing their own arsenals are much saner than you’d give them credit for.

For what it’s worth, the “realist” school of thought suggests that nuclear weaponry should be limited to a few “great powers,” but that’s a rather paternalistic mindset that seems tainted with exceptionalism.

The uncertainty lies in loose nuclear weaponry proliferating in the black market, if there were such a thing (trying to resist invoking another Tom Clancy fantasy scenario).
 
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Nukes are not the problem,... the/a mindset is more dangerous. Given US history one or two devoted folks can lock down a huge area. Now game that to ground with a much larger group of people that are just as devoted but have intimate knowledge on many levels of power generation, transportation, medical services, media ect,...
People have become so complacent, if their phones die so do they,....
 
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Edsel said:


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They appear to sport these “Punisher” logos, too.

I thought that was a fetish only we had, that they were only considered cute in our "culture."

Note choice of adjective: “Game - changing.” Applied to almost every weapon we have gifted to them so far.

Game - changing HIMARS.

Game - changing F-16s.

Game - changing M1Ax and Leopard tanks.

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Even Google's AI bot has kept track.
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do you think using click bait opinion articles written to attract ad revenue, as written gospel of battlefield effectiveness,might just be a flawed line of reasoning, or are you so deep rooted in being spoon fed things on the MSNBC boob tube that this provides you an opportunity to feel like you've "hah gotcha" moment all on your own?
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
Nukes are not the problem,... the/a mindset is more dangerous. Given US history one or two devoted folks can lock down a huge area. Now game that to ground with a much larger group of people that are just as devoted but have intimate knowledge on many levels of power generation, transportation, medical services, media ect,...
People have become so complacent, if their phones die so do they,....
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Edsel said:


@nkk

This is a repost.

Can you tell me why your people indulge in this ideology, when they’re Slav?

Disclaimer: If in fact they’re your people at all - you might be Finn, for all I know.
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I appreciate you admitting that you don't know who "my people" are, it's wild when people make uneducated assumptions. I appreciate that.

Can you tell me why the Marine Corps is all a bunch of Nazis?

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Are there Nazi ideologists in Ukraine? Yes. Are there Nazi ideologists in the United States? Also yes. Do you understand high school level statistics? Do you know what an outlier is? Do you think the majority of US Marines and Ukrainians are Nazis? Do you remember In 2016 half the United States labeled anyone who voted for "literally Hitler" Instead of hillary as a Nazi sympathizer? Kanye West released a song this summer that had people driving down the street blasting out their windows "all my niggas Nazis nigga HEIL HITLER!" all over America. Fucking bizarre shit.
 
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nkk said:
I appreciate you admitting that you don't know who "my people" are, it's wild when people make uneducated assumptions. I appreciate that.

Can you tell me why the Marine Corps is all a bunch of Nazis?

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Are there Nazi ideologists in Ukraine? Yes. Are there Nazi ideologists in the United States? Also yes. Do you understand high school level statistics? Do you know what an outlier is? Do you think the majority of US Marines and Ukrainians are Nazis? Do you remember In 2016 half the United States labeled anyone who voted for "literally Hitler" Instead of hillary as a Nazi sympathizer? Kanye West released a song this summer that had people driving down the street blasting out their windows "all my niggas Nazis nigga HEIL HITLER!" all over America. Fucking bizarre shit.
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Two points:

1. They’re formalized as the “Azov Battalion” and are legitimized, yes?

2. The thing we really find ironic is how Slavs would identify with an ideology that considered them subhuman.

Surprisingly, they even have their own YouTube channel.
 
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Edsel said:
Two points:

1. They’re formalized as the “Azov Battalion” and are legitimized, yes?

2. The thing we really find ironic is how Slavs would identify with an ideology that considered them subhuman.

Surprisingly, they even have their own YouTube channel.
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Azov is a formal, well organized, structured, equipped, trained and subsequently effective unit which is often sent to counter areas of the front that the puccians are concentrating their force in and document it on youtube.

If a young soldier draws SS bolts on his rifle, does that make him a national socialist party member which wholeheartedly believes in the propogandized nazi germany our kids are forced to study every year in public school? What about a deaths head patch? Maybe they think it looks cool while also pissing people off that already wish them dead, while in a profession centered around turning other men into fertilizer?

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nkk said:
Azov is a formal, well organized, structured, equipped, trained and subsequently effective unit which is often sent to counter areas of the front that the puccians are concentrating their force in and document it on youtube.

If a young soldier draws SS bolts on his rifle, does that make him a national socialist party member which wholeheartedly believes in the propogandized nazi germany our kids are forced to study every year in public school? What about a deaths head patch? Maybe they think it looks cool while also pissing people off that already wish them dead, while in a profession centered around turning other men into fertilizer?
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We do see those types of imagery flaunted by the weak - minded, Punisher Skulls being no exception.

Openly espousing Nazi affiliations while in service can get one in trouble.

But we’re talking about:

1. An organized faction which openly supports Nazi ideology, one that appears legitimized by the Ukrainian armed forces.

2. Ukrainians, putatively of Slav ethnicity, who aspire to white supremacist Nazi ideology despite being labeled untermensch themselves.

How would you rationalize either?
 
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Edsel said:
Two points:

1. They’re formalized as the “Azov Battalion” and are legitimized, yes?

2. The thing we really find ironic is how Slavs would identify with an ideology that considered them subhuman.

Surprisingly, they even have their own YouTube channel.
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Not just Azov, but Nachtingall group, the "Da Vinci Wolves" and other units are also predominately ultra-nationalist/neo-Nazis.
 
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kthomas said:
Not just Azov, but Nachtingall group, the "Da Vinci Wolves" and other units are also predominately ultra-nationalist/neo-Nazis.
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The mindset can be inferred from what a few of their officials have said in public, too.

I can name three - Oleksiy Danilov, Mykhailo Podolyak, David Sakvarelidze.
 
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