Is Russia done pretending?

#251
918v said:
Did you know NK is supplying them with ammo?
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Last I recall Russia was outpacing us in arty shell production.. and doing it at a cheaper price.
And there’s already American troops on the ground in Ukraine. There was a green beret unit attached to Azov, and when they got surrounded in Mariupol - some high level negotiations took place for them to be allowed to leave with their lives. All those Azov troops were subsequently killed.



War is hell dude. Why don’t we try being friends with Russia instead of poking the bear? We got way more in common with them than the vast majority of our “allies”.
 
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#252
Emerson0311 said:
This is true of western leaders and their offspring safe in government jobs too.
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A look at the history of human civilizations shows, the early days found their leader from among those whose abilities to defend, and to lead in battle where necessary, were above the rest of the community. A "natural leader" whose leadership had been tested, not just stated as a brag, not just carried as a myth/legend.

I'm pretty sure that you could not successfully bribe your way into that status -- people would have witnessed your skills in fighting and in leadership.

Today we have all kinds of sophisticated tools and toys, central A/C, plumbed water/sewage, central power, etc. Yet who are the leaders we seem to choose/elect/support? Why are they "leaders" if they have not been tested in skirmish and tactics?
 
#253
Terry Cross said:
I think the vast majority do not perceive the Russians as trying to use the church or any other institution as cover.
They give zero fucks about excuses beyond getting NATO and the West to get off their doorstep.

Swing and a miss.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect $200.
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The RUS govt has, through its public-facing personnel and channels, emphasized consistently since 2014 that this problem is a problem of national boundaries (historical, and near-term both) and of NATO's history of speaking with a forked tongue on what are its intentions adjacent to RUS.

A person only has to go look at their appropriate sources within RUS govt, and pay attention to the 3 main public-facing diplomats, Lavrov Medvedev and Zakharova. The message has been consistent since 2014. Same with RUS's statements and positions toward NATO.

I've watched the UKR scenario since 2014 as if it were a big piece of white collar litigation. And I see one side's position, and supporting statements, as being a clear winner on veracity & verifiability. The nations backing UKR, however, have not even come close to the same standards. Inconsistent and dishonest have been the two descriptors I'd use.

I don't like seeing it shaping up this way but it's what I've seen.
 
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bottom line, the western oil powers wanted to exploit gas and oil in the ukraine.
the cia was only too happy to replace the russian friendly regime with a russia hating western puppet regime.
burisma was going to get some of the leases (enter hunter and pedo pete)...
problem was that much of that gas and oil was in the historically russian southeast of ukraine, and they weren't going along with it.
 
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Terry Cross said:
3 of many examples. . . . . . . Saint Bernadette Sourbirous, Saint Rita of Cascia and Saint Catherine Laboure'
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and Saint Lenin:ROFLMAO:
You are quite funny, Vanya.
Why don't you quote the last paragraph? An inconvenient truth?
They are not officially Christians. They renounced on their own in 2018.
Forgetful Coyote said:
Why don’t we try being friends with Russia instead of poking the bear?
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Why didn't the US and others want to be friends with the Nazis and Hitler?
They were just trying to get some space to drift their tanks with engines from Porsche itself
and parade in uniforms from Hugo Boss.
Why don't you want to be friendly to a thief who broke into your house in the middle of the night, instead you shoot him or call the police?
Are you a Nazi?
 
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theLBC said:
historically russian southeast of ukraine
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So you're also a historian?
Show Russia here.
Beauplan_Ukraine_XVII_map-860x676.jpg

In 1648, the General Map of Ukraine was compiled by the French military engineer and cartographer Guillaume Levasseur de Beauplan.
I hope that as a historian you don't need to be reminded of the orientation of maps in those days.
 
#258
Forgetful Coyote said:
Last I recall Russia was outpacing us in arty shell production.. and doing it at a cheaper price.
And there’s already American troops on the ground in Ukraine. There was a green beret unit attached to Azov, and when they got surrounded in Mariupol - some high level negotiations took place for them to be allowed to leave with their lives. All those Azov troops were subsequently killed.



War is hell dude. Why don’t we try being friends with Russia instead of poking the bear? We got way more in common with them than the vast majority of our “allies”.
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Russia won't be happy until all the choke points are sewn back up, i.e. the old Soviet borders.
 
#259
Mr.BR said:
Like with most wars most visceral support for them comes from folks out of harm's way .

The farther they are from Ukraine, the more fervent their patriotism and nationalism seem to grow. This sentiment appears widespread, as I have yet to encounter a Ukrainian living in the West in 2025 who expresses a willingness to return and defend their homeland. Instead, many seem content to offer support and enthusiasm from a distance.

Quite funny how the dude ran from Ukraine into 'freedom' but once safe and living on our dime his patriotism skyrocketed.



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No fit, fighting age man from any country should be admitted as a refugee for any reason. Fight and if necessary, die for your country! Fucking deserters....
 
#262
Forgetful Coyote said:
Last I recall Russia was outpacing us in arty shell production.. and doing it at a cheaper price.
And there’s already American troops on the ground in Ukraine. There was a green beret unit attached to Azov, and when they got surrounded in Mariupol - some high level negotiations took place for them to be allowed to leave with their lives. All those Azov troops were subsequently killed.



War is hell dude. Why don’t we try being friends with Russia instead of poking the bear? We got way more in common with them than the vast majority of our “allies”.
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Do you have a source for the GBs that got their asses kicked in Russia?

Have you been to Russia or any former Soviet country? Besides being white, they’re not that similar to the US, culturally.

Russia would never be Americas friend, under any circumstances. Not in this lifetime.
 
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SNB said:
So you're also a historian?
Show Russia here.
Beauplan_Ukraine_XVII_map-860x676.jpg

In 1648, the General Map of Ukraine was compiled by the French military engineer and cartographer Guillaume Levasseur de Beauplan.
I hope that as a historian you don't need to be reminded of the orientation of maps in those days.
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the actual answer is that the donbas was never a part of what we now call "ukraine" until 1991.
 
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SNB said:
and Saint Lenin:ROFLMAO:
You are quite funny, Vanya.
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You must be a pre-schooler playing on mom's computer or you are mentally deficient. Maybe both?

You specifically ignored my sentence following the example of 3 Saints. I made a point to say no one is putting Lenin in the same category.
This confirms that you are indeed a dumb shit.

SNB said:
Why don't you quote the last paragraph? An inconvenient truth?
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I did literally quote your last paragraph which was one sentence in length.

SNB said:
They are not officially Christians. They renounced on their own in 2018.
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An official renunciation by one compromised asshole 107 years ago hardly spoke for the rest of Russia. As far as shutting down Christianity in Russia, that didn't even move the needle. In fact just like with most instances where someone tries to squash faith and religion, that religion becomes even more strong and more entrenched.

SNB said:
Are you a Nazi?
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Really. You are squealing and retorting with this? ! ! LOL.

That is exactly the "go to" that purple haired, nose ring socialists fall back to when they have neither the facts nor intellect to defend their own misguided view of reality.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
We got way more in common with them than the vast majority of our “allies”.
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What period do you have in mind for comparison?
The despotism of the tsarist era and democracy in the USA?
Communism in the USSR and democracy in the USA?
Or the modern KGB dictatorship and democracy in the USA?
Russians are primarily mental slaves, for them in the first place is not the family or the personality, but the greatness of the state.
As a rule, for this greatness they sacrifice their freedoms, well-being and lives.
It is very appropriate that Trump recently mentioned this greatness when he spoke about the paper tiger.

Farewell, unwashed Russia,
Land of slaves, land of masters,
And you, blue uniforms,
And you, people, devoted to them.
(M.Lermontov)
theLBC said:
the actual answer is that the donbas was never a part of what we now call "ukraine" until 1991.
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Lies like everything you post here.
These lands were always in the Ukrainian Soviet Republic until 1991 and guess why. Moreover, even now in the Kursk Belgorod regions and Krasnodar Krai (Kuban) of Russia, Ukrainian is spoken in villages.
Which indicates that these lands originally belonged to Ukrainians.
The urbanization of these regions, together with the industrialization carried out during the communist experiment, coincided with Russification and led to the state that is now when ethnic Ukrainians of these eastern Ukraine are mostly Russian-speaking in the cities. Let's not forget about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians known as the Holodomor.
 
#269
MO Fugga said:
Russia won't be happy until all the choke points are sewn back up, i.e. the old Soviet borders.
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the choke point is northern Germany and that isnt even a consideration. right now they are miles from the russian border.

we are the ones with troops 4,000 miles away from our borders, encroaching on their borders.
 
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SNB said:
What period do you have in mind for comparison?
The despotism of the tsarist era and democracy in the USA?
Communism in the USSR and democracy in the USA?
Or the modern KGB dictatorship and democracy in the USA?
Russians are primarily mental slaves, for them in the first place is not the family or the personality, but the greatness of the state.
As a rule, for this greatness they sacrifice their freedoms, well-being and lives.
It is very appropriate that Trump recently mentioned this greatness when he spoke about the paper tiger.

Farewell, unwashed Russia,
Land of slaves, land of masters,
And you, blue uniforms,
And you, people, devoted to them.
(M.Lermontov)

Lies like everything you post here.
These lands were always in the Ukrainian Soviet Republic until 1991 and guess why. Moreover, even now in the Kursk Belgorod regions and Krasnodar Krai (Kuban) of Russia, Ukrainian is spoken in villages.
Which indicates that these lands originally belonged to Ukrainians.
The urbanization of these regions, together with the industrialization carried out during the communist experiment, coincided with Russification and led to the state that is now when ethnic Ukrainians of these eastern Ukraine are mostly Russian-speaking in the cities. Let's not forget about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians known as the Holodomor.
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lol, the bolsheviks that starved millions fled the soviet union, and are now running the eu in brussels and forced this proxy war.
so the same evil scum are still killing ukrainian christians.
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
Wondering what is on the 4 heavy lift transports that are flying into Russia every day from China, and landing at different military airports each time? Guessing we, the Eu or the ukes will know at some point?
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Everything they are unable to get from countries honoring the sanctions on Russia.

See also India, some of the 'stans, Turkey ... electronics, drone parts, appliances, phones, vehicle parts, random bits of machinery, small arms

Look toward NK and Iran for export of missiles, artillery shells, etc. to Russia.
 
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flogxal said:
The RUS govt has, through its public-facing personnel and channels, emphasized consistently since 2014 that this problem is a problem of national boundaries (historical, and near-term both) and of NATO's history of speaking with a forked tongue on what are its intentions adjacent to RUS.

A person only has to go look at their appropriate sources within RUS govt, and pay attention to the 3 main public-facing diplomats, Lavrov Medvedev and Zakharova. The message has been consistent since 2014. Same with RUS's statements and positions toward NATO.

I've watched the UKR scenario since 2014 as if it were a big piece of white collar litigation. And I see one side's position, and supporting statements, as being a clear winner on veracity & verifiability. The nations backing UKR, however, have not even come close to the same standards. Inconsistent and dishonest have been the two descriptors I'd use.

I don't like seeing it shaping up this way but it's what I've seen.
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Well said. It’s plain to see NATO is the bully. That’s the only conclusion one can come to if you actually think logically and objectively like a real man.

For people who try to rag on Russia for not stomping Ukraine out(which IMO they absolutely could if they went all out), bear in mind that Ukraine has the backing of the entire western world. Russia is backed up by who? NK and Iran? Lol they might as well be on their own.

The more combat vids I watch from over there… the more I come to the conclusion the powers that be are using it as a giant fckd up test ground and training ground for cutting edge tactics. Drone warfare is advancing so rapidly it’s hard to keep up with the advances and new ideas for use case coming out every month.
 
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JustSendit said:
Do you have a source for the GBs that got their asses kicked in Russia?

Have you been to Russia or any former Soviet country? Besides being white, they’re not that similar to the US, culturally.

Russia would never be Americas friend, under any circumstances. Not in this lifetime.
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No official source, but that type thing would never be allowed online or admitted to.
But I’ve heard it from multiple unofficial sources. This was like 2+ years ago, let me see what I can dig up.. it was when basically the entirety of Azov batt. got surrounded and destroyed in Mariupol.

As far them being a friend - We’ve never even attempted to treat them with some honesty and without hostility. They ain’t the USSR anymore despite boomers still clinging to that idea. If we actually honored our word with them, dropped all sanctions, etc I’m sure we could come to a mutual understanding at the least.
 
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#277
Skeptic1 said:
Terry,

Why are you arguing with this piece of shit?
This guy is so far beneath you that it isn't worth your time.

Respectfully,
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I was eating breakfast at my desk and felt a keyboard Touretts attack coming on so I decided to blow it on him/her/it instead of boring the rest of the forum with some mundane bullshit.

Kinda like taking a good morning shit. I got that out of my system and feel better now. . . :)
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
No official source, but that type thing would never be allowed online or admitted to.
But I’ve heard it from multiple unofficial sources. This was like 2+ years ago, let me see what I can dig up.. it was when basically the entirety of Azov batt. got surrounded and destroyed in Mariupol.
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yes, the Ukes kept trying to fly helicopters in to rescue some personnel that were not supposed to be seen in the daylight. the Russians kept shooting the helicopters down. when it was over, the Russians announced the capture of some high level NATO officers, complete with pictures and bios.

Im so surprised that our media suppressed and "discredited" it.
 
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SNB said:
and Saint Lenin:ROFLMAO:
You are quite funny, Vanya.
Why don't you quote the last paragraph? An inconvenient truth?
They are not officially Christians. They renounced on their own in 2018.

Why didn't the US and others want to be friends with the Nazis and Hitler?
They were just trying to get some space to drift their tanks with engines from Porsche itself
and parade in uniforms from Hugo Boss.
Why don't you want to be friendly to a thief who broke into your house in the middle of the night, instead you shoot him or call the police?
Are you a Nazi?
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The only wannabe Nazis I see are on Ukraine’s side.
I was trying to mind my manners.. but since you wannabe a fckn a$$hole about it - fck Ukraine’s gov’t. I pray for the poor SOB’s that got snatched into a van and sent to the front as cannon fodder when they can’t even evacuate their wounded in a lot of cases. I sympathize greatly with them. But I hope Russia stomps a damn mudhole through Kiev’s regime, and then sends some pipe hitting mfckrs to give some polonium “gifts” to their globalist libtard masters the world over for good measure.

You want us to respect your word and argument? Do like Civ Div on YouTube and put your money where your mouth is, Ukraine will absolutely take any volunteer they can get.
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
Wondering what is on the 4 heavy lift transports that are flying into Russia every day from China, and landing at different military airports each time? Guessing we, the Eu or the ukes will know at some point?
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They are prolly just delivering lunch from Chung Lee Takee Outee cause those filthy Ruskies are tired of the food in their IRPs.



One should also consider that they are coming in empty and leaving out loaded.
They do use a lot of Russian equipment and vice versa.

4 transports from China into Russia is such an infinitesimally small bump considering the scale of both countries and the pace of the munitions usage by the Russian Federation. Even before the Ukraine invasion, they probably averaged that much Chinese air traffic just from normal inter-military coop programs.

Any meaningful supplies, munitions or peripheral support would be coming in via rail and water freight.
 
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Forgetful Coyote said:
The only wannabe Nazis I see are on Ukraine’s side.
I was trying to mind my manners.. but since you wannabe a fckn a$$hole about it - fck Ukraine’s gov’t. I pray for the poor SOB’s that got snatched into a van and sent to the front as cannon fodder when they can’t even evacuate their wounded in a lot of cases. I sympathize greatly with them. But I hope Russia stomps a damn mudhole through Kiev’s regime, and then sends some pipe hitting mfckrs to give some polonium “gifts” to their globalist libtard masters the world over for good measure.

You want us to respect your word and argument? Do like Civ Div on YouTube and put your money where your mouth is, Ukraine will absolutely take any volunteer they can get.
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I'm still kicking myself for not saving the picture of the russian soldiers wearing ww2 nazi patches(slightly modified by trading a windmill for a black sun). Such a fun picture, but I'm too lazy to go look through the arfcom thread to find them.
 
#283
Terry Cross said:
4 transports from China into Russia is such an infinitesimally small bump considering the scale of both countries and the pace of the munitions usage by the Russian Federation.
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I would agree if they were just landing at a few different bases all the time, but the pattern seems to indicate otherwise. These landings are at a different air base each time? To me, it seems like they are supplying something to each base that is totally new, and will be used by all aircraft?
 
#284
Forgetful Coyote said:
dropped all sanctions, etc
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The gas market in Europe, which suddenly fell at the feet of the USA, also needs to be returned to Moscovia , as a sign of goodwill?
I understand that in such threads there are mostly those who have Maria Zakharova's Twitter instead of a brain.
Vanya, is that you? give me a wink and stick to the legend at least a little.
Оtherwise I'm scared to even assume that such retards exist.
 
#285
The situation with air defense missiles on Moscovia is quite interesting.
The first year they converted their S-300s into surface-to-surface missiles and
threw them at Ukrainian civilians as relentlessly as if they had an unlimited supply of this shit.

And today, while 40% of oil refineries are burning, they shoot them almost immediately from the assembly line doors.
This is exactly what the famous incomprehensible Russian mentality looks like.
However, here we must make an excuse to the moscovians, previously Biden forbade burning their oil and gas sector and this was essentially the best air defense in the world.
 
#287
Forgetful Coyote said:
No official source, but that type thing would never be allowed online or admitted to.
But I’ve heard it from multiple unofficial sources. This was like 2+ years ago, let me see what I can dig up.. it was when basically the entirety of Azov batt. got surrounded and destroyed in Mariupol.

As far them being a friend - We’ve never even attempted to treat them with some honesty and without hostility. They ain’t the USSR anymore despite boomers still clinging to that idea. If we actually honored our word with them, dropped all sanctions, etc I’m sure we could come to a mutual understanding at the least.
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The left wouldn't just melt, they'd go plasma.
 
#293
"Russia spent a century chasing Western approval"
Explanations from a Russian woman, just right for the level of perception demonstrated by the local retards.

Unfortunately, there are very few such Russians and they really are no different from people to the west of Russia. And mostly they themselves are not in Russia either.
 
#294
Forgetful Coyote said:


RIP to all the fallen on both sides.

Have yall seen all the drone wires that now litter the landscape? Crazy..
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Looks like the Russians were cool enough to prioritize the front gunner and take his machine gun out of the fight from the beginning.
 
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SNB said:
So you're also a historian?
Show Russia here.
Beauplan_Ukraine_XVII_map-860x676.jpg

In 1648, the General Map of Ukraine was compiled by the French military engineer and cartographer Guillaume Levasseur de Beauplan.
I hope that as a historian you don't need to be reminded of the orientation of maps in those days.
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I'm sure this is for a laugh at your end.

Russia had cartographers then too. Why do you choose French depictions of Russian territory? Who is France relative to Russia?
 
#298
Forgetful Coyote said:
As far them being a friend - We’ve never even attempted to treat them with some honesty and without hostility. They ain’t the USSR anymore despite boomers still clinging to that idea. If we actually honored our word with them, dropped all sanctions, etc I’m sure we could come to a mutual understanding at the least.
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Russia was indeed a friend to the colonists during the American Revolution. And right up to the 1910s decade. The bolshevik forces that killed Tsar Alexander & family basically ruined the friendship and look at where it is today.

I would put good money on the idea that RUS would entertain friendship again if only our govt would present itself globally with more self-respect, more decorum and more understanding of its role as compared to the rest of the planet. But that would take an administration unlike any we've seen for the past 75 years or so.
 
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tightInThePants said:
I'm still kicking myself for not saving the picture of the russian soldiers wearing ww2 nazi patches(slightly modified by trading a windmill for a black sun). Such a fun picture, but I'm too lazy to go look through the arfcom thread to find them.
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it wouldn't be shocking.
i'm pretty certain that a significant number of russians suffered under the bolsheviks like the ukrainians did.
it is hard to blame anyone with family that were brutalized or murdered by the communists for embracing the "other side".
somewhat frustrating that many people only identify nazis with killing jewish people. jews were being slaughtered decades before hitler rose to power.
many people claim the west bankrolled the rise of the nazi party as a barrier to bolshevik expansion.

www.newsweek.com

Pro-Russian Fighter With Nazi Patches Gets Medal for Killing 'Nazis'

A pro-Russian soldier can be seen in a video wearing an emblem used by Nazi Germany's Waffen-SS and a symbol of interlocking triangles from Norse mythology commonly used by neo-Nazis.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
 
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The whole "nazi" thing is a big spanner in the works, global frictions wise. The term carries so many different interpretations. Literalists look at GER in ww2 era. Loose interpretations apply to anyone the speaker/writer doesn't like, a generic negative term like saying "you're an asshole" with "you're a nazi."

And then there's the symbology, the uniforms, etc borrowed or pushed forward in time. What do they mean? Do they mean "we are identical to GER's NatsSocs in every way", do they show LARPing, or something in between? Someone who wears a ww2 "nazi" getup for halloween or a costume party, is that person really "making a political statement" that he intends to implement?
 
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