+1 Athlon, I got an Ares 2.5-15 with gen 2 turrets, Ares 4.5-27 gen 1 turrets, Cronus, none of which have "Mushy turrets" most people that complain about any of that clean off some of the grease off the o-rings. I do have a Gen1 midas though, Turrets are not mushy, they are though a little...