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Used or new? That’s one of my first questions. And what kind of range? Need more details.

The turrets are definitely an improvement over the BTR, and much more distinct than even the Midas TAC’s that I have felt. Definitely 2 thumbs up.

Celectron was Stryka’s parent company. There attempt to grab some of the sporting optics market.

I like the idea of a 9mm bolt gun. I however think it is oversized on a 700 platform. I am working on a Remington 582 9mm conversion that I believe is a much more appropriate sized action.

I would say 6 creed lots of ammo on the shelves still.

The l461 was chambered in 223 length cartridges, where as the l491 was chambered in 222 Remington mag length cartridges. Both would make fine small action builds.

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Why are you specifically looking for those specs?

I wonder how they will be on warranty for those that still have them.

Why specifically a Vortex? Out of curiosity.

What is your intended range. If beyond say 3-400 yards I would definitely step up to the Midas Tac.

I would have suggested the Athlon Midas-TAC until I looked through the sale list on Grainger’s sight. I would jump all over those sales.

I like the idea of a duel focal plane, however probably not a big enough market to have manufacturers going after it.

As stated before the Midas-TAC has HD glass and the Ares BTR and ETR both have ED glass. I believe they are close in picture quality between the BTR and Midas-TAC because the Midas is using a 4 power magnifier where is the BTR is using a 6 power magnifier. It is easier to get a good picture with...

Big question What’s Your Budget?

The Argos will come with flip up caps but no sunshade.

What kind of parallax issues did they have? I can’t remember seeing any issues.

I am sorry for your loss Frank. I do not look forward to when I get that phone call, being there is nothing more important than Family.

What works for you? Don’t forget that generally speaking MOA scope resale is not as good as MILL scopes. And if you give the HIDE vendors a call you can get a great deal on lots of optics, not to mention the classified section here on he Hide.

For starters 1 MOA is not .25 or 1” at 100 yards it is 1.047” at 100 yards. Then there is the fact that there are scopes that say .25” at 100 and in fact are adjusting in true MOA or vice versa true MOA reticle and shooter MOA turets meaning adjusting at .25” at 100. It’s just a Cluster Cluck.