Re: 10/22 any sugestions??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foxfire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wanting to build a custom 10/22 looking for some advice and different verations that works well together post some pics of your custom 10/22.. looking for some ideas. there are too many choices out on the market these days. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foxfire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...well its getting too expensive to shoot my 308. looking for something cheeper to shoot out to 75 to 100 yards: heavy barrel,supressed, synthetic stock, do it my self i would like to keep it around $800 and i already have the reciever </div></div>
With an <$800.00 "budget", I would go with a
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Tactical Solutions 15 MOA base</span></span> or
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">EGW 20 MOA Extended Picatinny rail</span></span>,
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd SS Match Barrel</span></span> and
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd Two-Stage Trigger</span></span> in a
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Bell & Carlson 10/22 Varmint Target stock</span></span>.
Regarding canted bases/rails. To me, this isn't even a question - especially on a 10/22. Even if you don't think you'll ever shoot beyond 100 yards, a 20 MOA rail on a 10/22 will help you compensate for the
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">barrel droop</span></span> inherent in the 10/22's V-Block barrel attachment system. All 10/22's have barrel droop - some more than others, but unless you have had the barrel and receiver mated together through correct machining and threading they all have it to some degree.
Without the use of a canted base or rail, you will also be dialing-in a fair amount of elevation when you zero - it is always better to zero with minimal scopes adjustments, as this helps keep the scope's internal adjustments closer to being centered. (Most low to middle range scopes' adjust more consistently [track] better within the middle range of their travel range). Get a canted rail and don't look back. Zero cant (flat) rails and bases are a waste of money and elevation adjustment on a 10/22.
Kidd barrels are drawn from Lothar Walther SS blacks and are extremely accurate and well finished and are available in 16.5", 18", and 20" lengths. The grooves and lands look like a mirror and the barrel cleans up in a pinch. I have a 20" Kidd SS barrel that I had re-worked and threaded into an MOA SS Receiver.
The Kidd trigger is the best 10/22 trigger, Period. The Kidd trigger was designed from the ground-up, and is the most consistent, smoothest, cleanest breaking 10/22 trigger there is. Kidd triggers are adjustable for first and second stage pull weight and over travel. Some people say that they don't like two-stage triggers, but once they shoot a Kidd they change their minds.
While you can buy "tuned" 10/22 triggers from lots of vendors nearly all are based on the original Ruger 10/22 trigger, and as such the trigger pull weight, over travel, and break are all limited to the constraints of the Ruger design. Also, while a mechanical safety and heavy pull weight are never a substitute for safe gun handling, the Kidd trigger pull can be safely set to as little as 6 oz. (3 oz. first stage and 3 oz. second stage) without fear of the gun firing if dropped.
The B & C Varmint Target is an excellent stock for your 10/22. The fit and finish on my brother's stock is perfect. The stock has a raised, molded-in "platform" for proper barrel support (it takes the place of the pressure pad normally found on 10/22 stocks) and it works very well.
There are other things you can do to improve the reliability, consistency, and accuracy of a 10/22 but the four (4) I've mentioned above would be my first steps. The next step would be replacing the cast and machined factory bolt with a
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Kidd CNC bolt</span></span> or
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Volquartsen CNC bolt</span></span>from
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Hawktech Arms</span></span>. You can move-on from there after you've shot the rifle if you feel the need. It depends on what you will be doing with your 10/22. My brother got lucky with his old-school 10/22T - all he did was drop his 10/22T action into a B & C Varmint / Target and his gun shot really well - he can hit a 2" target at 200 yards (effectively 1 MOA) using Wolf MT 40 gr.. That is waaaayyyy better than most 10/22s' you will ever see out-of-the-box.
Next, he installed a Kidd CNC bolt. And after that he installed a Kidd Two-Stage trigger (he and I had shot many 10/22s' in with various triggers, and after shot my Kidd-equipped 10/22 he mine could no longer deny himself one). While the Kidd trigger didn't improve the inherent accuracy of his 10/22T, it did improve the shootability of it tremendously. With an EGW 20 MOA base, 5.5-25X Falcon FFP, and Seekins rings I think he has around $1,600.00 in his 10/22T. I have $1,500.00 in custom MOA 10/22 before glass. Below are some photos and specs of my insane full-custom MOA Receiver'ed 10/22.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Custom MOA 10/22 w/threaded Kidd barrel - no V-Block! + VQ CNC Bolt and UNSHORTENED EGW 20 MOA Extended Picatinny Rail:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Custom MOA 10/22 in McMillan 10/22 Sporter w/SHORTENED EGW 20 MOA Extended Picatinny Rail & Falcon 4-14X 44 FFP:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Custom MOA 10/22 in McMillan 10/22 Sporter w/Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Picatinny Rail & Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40 SFP:</span>
My MOA 10/22 can and will shoot under 1 MOA out to 200 yards using Wolf MT 40 gr. <span style="font-style: italic">in calm, consistent-wind conditions.</span> However, at that distance any wind variation can and usually does screw the best groups. I had posted my best 200 yard group (<1 MOA) here last year, but I can't find that thread or photo now.
<span style="font-weight: bold">MOA 10/22 100 yard 10-shot group shot w/Winchester Super-X T22 40gr. Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm A.O., bipod & rear bag. This is not a cherry-picked target, but I did try to "time" the shots to minimize wind drift as this group was shot in light, variable wind:</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">75% Black/25% Dark Gray Swirl McMillan Sporter</span> - inletted for the MOA Receiver's rear lug by Randy at
<span style="font-weight: bold">CPC</span> (Connecticut Precision Chambering). Randy installed a brass escutcheon for the rear lug screw, but I still had to do some additional inletting to fit because the front and rear lug holes did not line up. This held true for both the Kidd Trigger and an older factory (cast aluminum housing) Ruger trigger assembly. I also I enlarged the barrel channel to 1" to allow true free-floating of the barrel.
<span style="font-weight: bold">MOA 17-4 SS Receiver</span> - Bead-blasted finish, hand-stoned and polished bearing surfaces
<span style="font-weight: bold">Volquartsen CNC Machined Bolt</span> - fitted with Volquartsen CS Guide Rod Spring and
<span style="font-weight: bold">Power Custom Competition Spring Guide</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS 20" Match Barrel</span> - Bead-blasted finish, shortened to 19.25" and threaded into MOA Receiver. Totally free-floating
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Two-Stage Trigger - set to 1.5 lbs. Curved Black Blade</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd SS Receiver Pins</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Kidd Bolt Buffer</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Tactical Solutions 15 MOA Picatinny Rail</span>
<a href="http://www.usoptics.com/accD.php?recordID=BBL-350" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: bold">U.S. Optics Rail Mounted Swivel Bubble Level - Contoured
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Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14X 40mm A.O. w/Duplex Reticle - Matte
<span style="font-weight: bold">Leupold 1" LOW (.75") PRW Rings - Matte</span>
Keith