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On my son’s 457, I went with an Area 419 30 MOA rail and had vortex precision medium 1” rings when I had a Vortex Viper PST on it. 30mm tube 50mm objective.
Switched to a razor and went with 1.25” rings for that scope… or maybe 1.1. I’ll have to double check. I know I started with 1.1 so the scope will clear but I may have gone slightly higher for better ergos
Switched to a razor and went with 1.25” rings for that scope… or maybe 1.1. I’ll have to double check. I know I started with 1.1 so the scope will clear but I may have gone slightly higher for better ergos
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How’s the height with the 419 rail? I see some folks having to add cheek risers, etc to account for the added height
You can also use a low profile 11m to picatinny adapter and use standard pic rings.
If you don't need any cant or slope in the scope, BKL's are the best. If you need some cant, then Sportsmatch single adjustables are excellent.
I just don't get the idea of the pic adapter rails. Maybe if one was sharing a scope from a centerfire that has pic mounts. But if you are running a dedicated scope, the pic adapter rails make no sense to me.
I just don't get the idea of the pic adapter rails. Maybe if one was sharing a scope from a centerfire that has pic mounts. But if you are running a dedicated scope, the pic adapter rails make no sense to me.
I'd also recommend the BKL rings, I've never had a problem with mine, they're simple and light weight. They mount straight onto the dovetail and mine have never slipped. They have an adjustable base available if you do want to add cant. For your 50mm scope get the low rings.
https://www.bkltech.com/30mm-Scope-Mounts-s/58.htm
https://www.bkltech.com/30mm-Scope-Mounts-s/58.htm
Low pro Pic adapter rail is the way to go. Area 419's are great but thick, DIP's are very thin and light, stainless nitride from Murphy Precision 
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Someone said they don't understand the "why" of adapters, they give you unlimited choice rings and one piece mounts that can be moved to most any other rifle you may own now or later.
.Someone said they don't understand the "why" of adapters, they give you unlimited choice rings and one piece mounts that can be moved to most any other rifle you may own now or later.
Glad to see some folks have some hands on experience to vouch for these, may be a winner. Anybody able to speak to what one would realistically gain/lose when comparing something like Tier 1 https://tier-one-usa.com/collections/scope-mounts-1/products/11mm-scope-rings
I generally have trouble justifying such differences in products that can only achieve a task but so well
Tier One Dovetail Rings Highly recommend; machining, overall quality, top-notch! Best dovetail rings I've found. Kinda remind me of APA pic rings.
Look for old Accuracy International dovetail scope mounts. They are 11mm and come in various cants (0-18-45MOA) and Ring sizes (1', 30mm and 34mm). I use them on several of my 22's (Sako, Anshutz, etc). They are outstanding quality and a great value. You can find them here on the hide for good prices.
Will keep a watch for these, appear to be a good option
I am also going to vote BKL . Everyone knows that air rifles are very hard on scopes and rings. After a couple of rabbit holes I went with BKL.
I was heavy handed and stripped a couple threads. So I went over bore. I added stainless bolts and nylon nuts. This system hasn't moved any in years.
I was heavy handed and stripped a couple threads. So I went over bore. I added stainless bolts and nylon nuts. This system hasn't moved any in years.
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Would you like to expand on that? The warne are junk, I have had both.
Kelby rings, no experience with them
Morr Accuracy ( usa made high quality, extremely lightweight ). Great rings https://www.morraccuracy.com/store/c2/Rings_&_Levels.html
D3 rings (sold on ebay store, usa made high quality $60). Great rings
maybe Burris signature rings with the composite insert system, my experience has been 50/50 with these. I’d look at the previous options first.
Morr Accuracy ( usa made high quality, extremely lightweight ). Great rings https://www.morraccuracy.com/store/c2/Rings_&_Levels.html
D3 rings (sold on ebay store, usa made high quality $60). Great rings
maybe Burris signature rings with the composite insert system, my experience has been 50/50 with these. I’d look at the previous options first.
Not familiar with kelbly but looking at the rings they appear to be very well done
Was checking out Morr, impressive resume and appears to have started out concentrating on .22 as well
I run 34mm Kelbly 25moa (standard) on my Anshutz with a NF ATACR with no clearance issues and a set on my Kelblys F Class action (6.5 x 284 Shehane). Great company and an excellent product.
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5 axis is certainly a machining advantage, in short you can perform multiple operations in one setup, increasing efficiency and accuracy
Yup. I have had several sets of warne rings for CZ and a couple others for normal pic rails. Haven’t had a single issue with any of them. I had one set of blks for the CZ and they felt much cheaper and the machining/screws didn’t appear to be of the same quality….
Yes….
Oh that's very fucking objective. We shall take your word as law.
GTFO
BTW, you're not the only one in the world who has owned rings from both brands.
His observations may not be objective in your opinion, but you’ve not yet listed a single reason the BKL rings are better. Feel free to share.
It isn't my opinion that his statements are subjective. It's a fact. He lacks any evidence to show why BKL rings are inferior to Warne and in fact admits to basing is claim on appearances and feel.
I also didn't claim BKL rings are the best. I agreed with someone else's claim. So feel free to ask him for proof.
Lmao! Are your panties in a wad? The OP asked for recommendations. That’s what he got. You offered nothing over what I said…. Seems like you’re not a stable person if you’re this upset over an internet opinion about rimfire rings. Have a good evening.
Wanna tone it down a bit? This isn't the Pit.
Which 457 do you have? Just ordered a BSCAR 25 MOA rail and a set of Warne low rings for my provarmint so I can dial to 300 yards. Should be here Tuesday.
I’ve got a pair of Warne 22 cal mediums that are 5 weeks old. They would probably fit if you had a 457 with a smaller contour barrel than the Pro-varmint
Have the AT one with varmint barrel, might be a squeeze with the 50mm objective
Here is a very elegant and inexpensive solution for your problem. They are designed to be used with Burris Z Rings or Signature Z rings. I used these on a 54 Super match with the Signature rings which allowed me to build cant into the system.
https://www.jnpgunsprings.com/CZ-11mm-to-WEAVER-SCOPE-RAIL-ADAPTERS-p72157596
https://www.jnpgunsprings.com/CZ-11mm-to-WEAVER-SCOPE-RAIL-ADAPTERS-p72157596
Pretty neat, first time I’ve seen these. I’m liking the option of having some elevation built in on whatever I end up with
Thanks, the heat doesn’t bother me much and doesn’t get awfully cold here so no real time crunch. Rifle is scoped with a cheaper 1” tube currently, just going to swap with the new scope when I work out the rings
I would suggest this fellow on eBay..
Makes them in several heights, both 1" and 30mm.
Makes them in several heights, both 1" and 30mm.
Scope Rings - 11mm and 3/8" Dovetail fit Anschutz , CZ 452 455 457, 1" & 30mm | eBay
Ideal for Anschutz, CZ, and Styer Zephyr Rifles. I installed them on my anschutz 1813 (54 action). 11mm dovetail rings are Precisely machined (see note below) to fit 11mm dovetail rifles. 3/8" dovetail rings are precisely machined to fit 3/8" (see note below) dovetail rifles.
www.ebay.com
I got a set of warne for my 452 and cheapie ($25) scope to see what she can do but will end up wearing ghost ring when the dust settles.
On my 457 I got the DIP extended adapter and maybe seeking rings, what was laying around.
Not shot either yet due to work, getting house ready to sell buy both warne and dip seem like solid choices for rimfire.
On my 457 I got the DIP extended adapter and maybe seeking rings, what was laying around.
Not shot either yet due to work, getting house ready to sell buy both warne and dip seem like solid choices for rimfire.
OP,
I would consider the offerings from Area 419. Though not intended for this rifle, their CZ 457 rail in 50MOA is a quality unit.
I believe they offer 20 and 30MOA as well.
I have owned Warne steel and BKL alloy rings. The Warnes while nice had a machining flaw. When sent back, they returned a simpler (downgraded) set. The replacements were perfect, and I’ve never had to touch the scope adjustments in over 10 years, still, it bugs me.
The BKLs were a disappointment. They are a simple extrusion that had been bead/sand/shot blasted. No where near the quality of anything else I’ve used.
I have purchased a set of BKL adapters (11mm to Picatinny) which seem to have more bearing surface, and would be less likely to slip compared to the CZ adapters.
Good to know on the BKLs, Thanks
