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Yes they are handloads. With 41.8 grains IMR4350 I was able to get 2497 using 140 eldm out of virgin Lapua brass. With 41.3 grains IMR 4451 same bullets and brass was getting 2457. I have some H4350 loaded up but have not shot them yet. Hoping to get to them tomorrow. I do not expect those to be that much better if at all. I have never seen velocities that high in either of my 6.5’s. My CTR with 24 inch barrel is barely faster.