I wonder what barrel length they are basing those velocities off of.
My guess as well. I would think they’d be grabbing their numbers from a gas gun. Of course, this just popped up on the book of faces. I read comments that it wasn’t supposed to be released until Shot, so they may be slightly proprietary.
Podcast covers it. Hornady claims the Valk was too difficult to tune, especially at top end velocities. Said 22 ARC is far easier to tune and therefore can run 100 fps faster than the valk running at a lower pressure.
Watch the video....
Just get you favorite beverage and sit down to watch the video. You'll enjoy it. And maybe learn a thing or two.
I hate podcast. I watched like the first 10 minutes of it and they weren't reallying saying anything to that. I have better shit to do than to watch a bunch of dudes talking about how they think they reinvented the wheel.
Oh, but they did reinvent the wheel, Jane
I've been watching the Hornady podcasts pretty much since the beginning. First and foremost Hornady makes bullets. They also make ammunition but they do so to sell their bullets to those people that do not reload. They do have special powders made for them too.
Most all that work there are shooters. They compete and hunt. They have the passion.
The bottom line is that they are changing how the world sees cartridges and bullets - in real time. They've figured it out. Their thinking goes like this:
In making a better bullet they figured out that a long (for caliber) very aerodynamic bullet retains more velocity and energy for a given muzzle velocity. Dramatically so. This was a paradigm shift. They could run one of these bullets at a MV of 2750 that at 600 or so yards would fly right by a less efficient bullet of the same caliber shot with a 3000 MV. More barrel life, less recoil and MORE accuracy. Plus, they cleaned clock bucking wind.
So, they created the better bullet but had no cartridges they could fit them in. The problem was the they could not fit those bullets into existing cartridges of older design because they are so long that they don't fit in older chambers and magazines. That's were the new cartridges started.
Enter the Hornady .204 Ruger, then quickly followed by the 6.5 Creedmoor. The rest is history. Every new cartridge they develop now is based on this design philosophy, which is the only way to get those long bullets into Remington short actions, AR, etc. So, they went to SAMMI and said: here's our new cartridge. And that REALLY changed everything because SAMMI accepted their tolerances for chambers that are tighter than the old stuff as well (spelled accuracy).
There is much more to it than that but you get the picture. Hornady is leading the pack when it comes to bullets, and consequently cartridge specs.
The 22 ARC cartridge is NOT a neck downed 6mm ARC. It's different (longer). That tells you how far they go on the details.
Talking about the 6 ARC, they also have new VT/Match bullets out right now - a new 6mm ARC 80 grain VT bullet. And it's a screamer! And almost the same length as the 108 match! They figured it out and went out and did it. This picture below shows how they did it. It took a LOT of work (over 2-years) to get the manufacturing and the balance right between the CG and the center of pressure. Look at how short the lead is compared to the brass. More than a third of the bullet is empty space! These rounds explode on contact - devastating on varmints.
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For those of you that compete in PRS, the Hornady boys have been secretly loading magazines, mixing different bullet weights like this 80 grain (they were secretly testing it in real life) and the 108 grain bullets in the same magazine for stages that had short and long targets.
Now that this is out watch everyone else follow through!
I completely understand that! Sitting here with 4 22-250s available to use, makes it real hard to add another.
Here you go
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Well, I can only hope that I can get a Cz600 in a mini action.I looked around and only one company has announce a queue (wait list) to get the first rifles:
That said, the way Hornady schedules new product releases is like getting a Christmas catalog in July, but you can't order anything until after January. They are releasing their 2024 products now, not 2023 products. This is how they've done it for years. And here we are chomping at the bit having to wait months....
Is there a link? I checked the SAAMI website and the chamber / case for the 22 ARC design are not posted yet.
I've been tempted by the $400 cz600 alphas, but after you shoot out a barrel, what are you going to do with it?
That's just a seating die to fix that my man!
With all that being said, Hornady makes some of the worst bullets of any major manufacture. They are just cheaper and do more marketing than anyone else. Their factory ammo is nothing to be impressed by, especially at the prices they go for now. At $1/rd they were ok but once the price surpassed FGMM, L O L.I've been watching the Hornady podcasts pretty much since the beginning. First and foremost Hornady makes bullets. They also make ammunition but they do so to sell their bullets to those people that do not reload. They do have special powders made for them too.
Most all that work there are shooters. They compete and hunt. They have the passion.
The bottom line is that they are changing how the world sees cartridges and bullets - in real time. They've figured it out. Their thinking goes like this:
In making a better bullet they figured out that a long (for caliber) very aerodynamic bullet retains more velocity and energy for a given muzzle velocity. Dramatically so. This was a paradigm shift. They could run one of these bullets at a MV of 2750 that at 600 or so yards would fly right by a less efficient bullet of the same caliber shot with a 3000 MV. More barrel life, less recoil and MORE accuracy. Plus, they cleaned clock bucking wind.
So, they created the better bullet but had no cartridges they could fit them in. The problem was the they could not fit those bullets into existing cartridges of older design because they are so long that they don't fit in older chambers and magazines. That's were the new cartridges started.
Enter the Hornady .204 Ruger, then quickly followed by the 6.5 Creedmoor. The rest is history. Every new cartridge they develop now is based on this design philosophy, which is the only way to get those long bullets into Remington short actions, AR, etc. So, they went to SAMMI and said: here's our new cartridge. And that REALLY changed everything because SAMMI accepted their tolerances for chambers that are tighter than the old stuff as well (spelled accuracy).
There is much more to it than that but you get the picture. Hornady is leading the pack when it comes to bullets, and consequently cartridge specs.
The 22 ARC cartridge is NOT a neck downed 6mm ARC. It's different (slightly longer - slightly shorter bullets). That tells you how far they go on the details.
Talking about the 6 ARC, they also have new VT/Match bullets out right now - a new 6mm ARC 80 grain VT bullet. And it's a screamer! And almost the same length as the 108 match! They figured it out and went out and did it. This picture below shows how they did it. It took a LOT of work (over 2-years) to get the manufacturing and the balance right between the CG and the center of pressure. Look at how short the lead is compared to the brass. More than a third of the bullet is empty space! These rounds explode on contact - devastating on varmints.
View attachment 8257283
For those of you that compete in PRS, the Hornady boys have been secretly loading magazines, mixing different bullet weights like this 80 grain (they were secretly testing it in real life) and the 108 grain bullets in the same magazine for stages that had short and long targets.
Now that this is out watch everyone else follow through!
I can agree to this, 22arc bolt gun is dumb AF unless howa makes it in a mini. That's the only application I'd think of biting on. However........in an ar it does shine. The velocities advertised here from Hornadys unknown test barrel, match or are slightly higher than a 26" 223 long freebore bolt gun running 2.55" mags.
You’re just pewr sonshine most days of the weak ain’t ewe
Po boys shoot the Barnes match burners! Cheap as F! And they shoot!
Funny I have been shooting 109s all through covid ( ordered 4000 more this week) and buddies have been running 105s for a decade. People are lazy and don't put any effort into finding them. Then they bitch about $20.....
I bet you’re a blast at parties. Again, thanks for your contribution to this thread. Feel free to excuse yourself if you have nothing else to add.
And the 6:02 pm post is gone. What does that tell us?
Go away. You’re annoying.
