I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
Suppressors 22 can?
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Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
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And ability to be taken apart and cleaned?
I shot the SS sparrow a while back at a demo and never noticed the FRP.
May be I was so giddy that I just didn't notice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
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And ability to be taken apart and cleaned?
I shot the SS sparrow a while back at a demo and never noticed the FRP.
May be I was so giddy that I just didn't notice.
Re: 22 can?
Wait for the new AWC Valkyrie or the new Surefire rimfire suppressor. They both will be crowd pleasers.
Wait for the new AWC Valkyrie or the new Surefire rimfire suppressor. They both will be crowd pleasers.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
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have you tried multiple types of ammo including subsonic ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
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have you tried multiple types of ammo including subsonic ?
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Al Rick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the new Surefire offering - if it ever hits the streets... </div></div>
I was really impressed with it when I went to the office and test fired it. I will be buying one of these for myself for sure. I think some of the parts are at anodizing right now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Al Rick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the new Surefire offering - if it ever hits the streets... </div></div>
I was really impressed with it when I went to the office and test fired it. I will be buying one of these for myself for sure. I think some of the parts are at anodizing right now.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait for the new AWC Valkyrie or the new Surefire rimfire suppressor. They both will be crowd pleasers. </div></div>
Any idea how long of a wait that will be?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 762frmafr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait for the new AWC Valkyrie or the new Surefire rimfire suppressor. They both will be crowd pleasers. </div></div>
Any idea how long of a wait that will be?
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
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If you've got the origonal, just send it in for the new SS baffle stack and call it good.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Utahcybercowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a sparrow. I am very happy with it. I am thinking of getting another 22 can and if I can find something that has less frp and is the same quality of the sparrow I would be interested in that. Any recommendations?
</div></div>
If you've got the origonal, just send it in for the new SS baffle stack and call it good.
Re: 22 can?
Ok, I have a rookie question...
What is FRP? I've purchased a sparrow and am waiting on a tax stamp. Don't want to start buyers remorse even before I've touched it.
Ok, I have a rookie question...
What is FRP? I've purchased a sparrow and am waiting on a tax stamp. Don't want to start buyers remorse even before I've touched it.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SABuzzard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I have a rookie question...
What is FRP? I've purchased a sparrow and am waiting on a tax stamp. Don't want to start buyers remorse even before I've touched it. </div></div>
FRP stands for First Round Pop , some cans with a large first chamber or big baffle hole with be louder than normal on the first shot due to some of the remaining air in the can having oxygen enough to slightly explode and make a little more noise on the first round after that the can is filled with burnt air.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SABuzzard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, I have a rookie question...
What is FRP? I've purchased a sparrow and am waiting on a tax stamp. Don't want to start buyers remorse even before I've touched it. </div></div>
FRP stands for First Round Pop , some cans with a large first chamber or big baffle hole with be louder than normal on the first shot due to some of the remaining air in the can having oxygen enough to slightly explode and make a little more noise on the first round after that the can is filled with burnt air.
Re: 22 can?
FRP = First Round Pop The first shot though a "dry" sparrow is a little louder/sharper than subsequent shots. There is more combustible oxygen on that first shot. A quick spray of water out of a nasal spray bottle before the first shot makes it go away.
FRP = First Round Pop The first shot though a "dry" sparrow is a little louder/sharper than subsequent shots. There is more combustible oxygen on that first shot. A quick spray of water out of a nasal spray bottle before the first shot makes it go away.
Re: 22 can?
Water in your Suppressor as a artificial environment to reduce FRP or chance of powder-flash works but water creates Corrosive environment & gives your Can that Odor of Cat Piss .
But Water will work .
Also if your Suppressing a Semi-auto remember that when fired & when the Chamber Cycles each Round. It will vacuum into the Bore of barrel the artificial environment that you induced to the Suppressor .
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Does the size of the 1st gas expansion Chamber in-between of the Muzzle & 1st blast partition . Have anything to do with relationship to FRP . ?
I know that a larger 1st expansion chamber reduces some back pressure & blow-back in Semi's , but FPR might be just the nature of the beast when trying to find happy balance of pressure blow-back .
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Water in your Suppressor as a artificial environment to reduce FRP or chance of powder-flash works but water creates Corrosive environment & gives your Can that Odor of Cat Piss .
But Water will work .
Also if your Suppressing a Semi-auto remember that when fired & when the Chamber Cycles each Round. It will vacuum into the Bore of barrel the artificial environment that you induced to the Suppressor .
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Anyone ?</span></span>
Does the size of the 1st gas expansion Chamber in-between of the Muzzle & 1st blast partition . Have anything to do with relationship to FRP . ?
I know that a larger 1st expansion chamber reduces some back pressure & blow-back in Semi's , but FPR might be just the nature of the beast when trying to find happy balance of pressure blow-back .
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Re: 22 can?
FRP has to do with a whole host of issues. On some cans and in some calibers it is the air trapped AHEAD of the projectile that can add FRP. Ablatives only go so far. Water can have real consequences on some systems and barrels. It works the best and lasts the least and can't be kept in the barrel worth a piss.
It is a puzzle to me how somebody can say they own something and are pleased, but want something else. If FRP is important and for some folks its everything, than THAT is the goal. FRP is absolutely design intensive on a pistol. Listen to cans, a whole lot of .22 cans BEFORE you buy your next one.
If your goal is to finally buy a .22 that you can shoot as silently as possible, you won't be buying a blast can and it wont be on a pistol.
What are you shooting anyway?
FRP has to do with a whole host of issues. On some cans and in some calibers it is the air trapped AHEAD of the projectile that can add FRP. Ablatives only go so far. Water can have real consequences on some systems and barrels. It works the best and lasts the least and can't be kept in the barrel worth a piss.
It is a puzzle to me how somebody can say they own something and are pleased, but want something else. If FRP is important and for some folks its everything, than THAT is the goal. FRP is absolutely design intensive on a pistol. Listen to cans, a whole lot of .22 cans BEFORE you buy your next one.
If your goal is to finally buy a .22 that you can shoot as silently as possible, you won't be buying a blast can and it wont be on a pistol.
What are you shooting anyway?
Re: 22 can?
I wonder if just exhaling into the can - thus replacing the o2 with co2 - would reduce FRP.
I have often thought FRP was oxygen in the can allowing some unburnt propellant to burn in the can and that it went away on subsequent shots as the o2 was consumed by combustion by then.
But I'm not a suppressor designer or fluid dynamics engineer.
I wonder if just exhaling into the can - thus replacing the o2 with co2 - would reduce FRP.
I have often thought FRP was oxygen in the can allowing some unburnt propellant to burn in the can and that it went away on subsequent shots as the o2 was consumed by combustion by then.
But I'm not a suppressor designer or fluid dynamics engineer.
Re: 22 can?
Originally started with a buckmark. enjoyyed that so much I picked up a Savage with a threaded barrel. So I guess now I am in pursuit of how quiet can one get.
Originally started with a buckmark. enjoyyed that so much I picked up a Savage with a threaded barrel. So I guess now I am in pursuit of how quiet can one get.
Re: 22 can?
Now the Buckmark is pretty quiet & I have used & still shot one, with also a S&W . & a couple differant Cans with Them . all of them For Quiet & no FRP It is going to have to use exclusively subsonic ammo . I even shortened-up the barrel on my Buckmark from 5.5 to 4" . & some standard Vel. .22 is Subsonic but still not as quiet as .38 grn.Sub. vel. Ammo .
But of the 3 differant pistols ( browning/ruger/s&w) . I have owed and shoot . Non of them would run & cycle 38 grn. Subs. reliable even with extra back-pressure W/suppressor .
I had to modify the recoil springs of each for them to shoot 38 grn. Subs. . & That is the Quietest Ammo & No FRP I have found .
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Now the Buckmark is pretty quiet & I have used & still shot one, with also a S&W . & a couple differant Cans with Them . all of them For Quiet & no FRP It is going to have to use exclusively subsonic ammo . I even shortened-up the barrel on my Buckmark from 5.5 to 4" . & some standard Vel. .22 is Subsonic but still not as quiet as .38 grn.Sub. vel. Ammo .
But of the 3 differant pistols ( browning/ruger/s&w) . I have owed and shoot . Non of them would run & cycle 38 grn. Subs. reliable even with extra back-pressure W/suppressor .
I had to modify the recoil springs of each for them to shoot 38 grn. Subs. . & That is the Quietest Ammo & No FRP I have found .
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Re: 22 can?
I've been pretty impressed with the Wells Custom Gunmakers suppressor in 22. I just got one, the FRP issue is non-existent with subsonic ammo. I don't have any sound attenuation equipment to see if there's a difference with supersonic ammo, supersonic stuff the crack of the bullet makes everything sound loud.
My Mark II and several rifles have been routinely impressive with different ammo and this suppressor.
I've been pretty impressed with the Wells Custom Gunmakers suppressor in 22. I just got one, the FRP issue is non-existent with subsonic ammo. I don't have any sound attenuation equipment to see if there's a difference with supersonic ammo, supersonic stuff the crack of the bullet makes everything sound loud.
My Mark II and several rifles have been routinely impressive with different ammo and this suppressor.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colt933</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if just exhaling into the can - thus replacing the o2 with co2 - would reduce FRP.
I have often thought FRP was oxygen in the can allowing some unburnt propellant to burn in the can and that it went away on subsequent shots as the o2 was consumed by combustion by then.
But I'm not a suppressor designer or fluid dynamics engineer.</div></div>
Be careful testing this theory at the range, especially if the can is attached to your rifle... you might receive some weird looks from others at the range!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colt933</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if just exhaling into the can - thus replacing the o2 with co2 - would reduce FRP.
I have often thought FRP was oxygen in the can allowing some unburnt propellant to burn in the can and that it went away on subsequent shots as the o2 was consumed by combustion by then.
But I'm not a suppressor designer or fluid dynamics engineer.</div></div>
Be careful testing this theory at the range, especially if the can is attached to your rifle... you might receive some weird looks from others at the range!
Re: 22 can?
http://www.huntertownarms.com/adapters.php
Watch the videos, in one they compare the guardian to the sparrow.
I bought picked one up today for $200. Now the wait begins again...
http://www.huntertownarms.com/adapters.php
Watch the videos, in one they compare the guardian to the sparrow.
I bought picked one up today for $200. Now the wait begins again...
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use a mild ablative material. Water, pulling gel, ect.
BTW, you wont get FRP with every platform. </div></div>
How about using a barrel cleaning product? (Not a solvent!) wouldn't this possibly make it easier to clean as well?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use a mild ablative material. Water, pulling gel, ect.
BTW, you wont get FRP with every platform. </div></div>
How about using a barrel cleaning product? (Not a solvent!) wouldn't this possibly make it easier to clean as well?
Re: 22 can?
Outback II on a CZ452...just got it back from Gemtech..upgraded to take apart with Ti blast baffle...for its size it is an awesome can !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lUw4phFDc0
Outback II on a CZ452...just got it back from Gemtech..upgraded to take apart with Ti blast baffle...for its size it is an awesome can !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lUw4phFDc0
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chucky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Al Rick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the new Surefire offering - if it ever hits the streets... </div></div>
I was really impressed with it when I went to the office and test fired it. I will be buying one of these for myself for sure. I think some of the parts are at anodizing right now.</div></div>
I shot Garin's at Silencer Shoot. Really nice can and I cannot wait to get my demo can. I hope it is soon. If you like your Sparrow and SilencerCo, then you need to give the SWR Spectre a shot. It is a great can and a tank.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chucky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Al Rick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm looking at the new Surefire offering - if it ever hits the streets... </div></div>
I was really impressed with it when I went to the office and test fired it. I will be buying one of these for myself for sure. I think some of the parts are at anodizing right now.</div></div>
I shot Garin's at Silencer Shoot. Really nice can and I cannot wait to get my demo can. I hope it is soon. If you like your Sparrow and SilencerCo, then you need to give the SWR Spectre a shot. It is a great can and a tank.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use a mild ablative material. Water, pulling gel, ect.
BTW, you wont get FRP with every platform. </div></div>
How about using a barrel cleaning product? (Not a solvent!) wouldn't this possibly make it easier to clean as well? </div></div>
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Any non-flammable liquid or loose gel will work .
like I mentioned before in Post above, that water & burnt powder is corrosive .
For .22 & a cleaner solution for artifical environment & that is Not corrosive . You Can use WD40 & It will Not cause combustion in a Rimfire Can .
I have used it a hundred times for .22 & it works great .
Just a small squirt in the breach of the Can & No FFP with also quieter on every follow-up shot after . will work/stay for 10 rounds easy .
I would not chance use it (wd40) in any Centerfire Can though because of combustion & unknown Hydraulics . but Rimfire it works good .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alderleet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use a mild ablative material. Water, pulling gel, ect.
BTW, you wont get FRP with every platform. </div></div>
How about using a barrel cleaning product? (Not a solvent!) wouldn't this possibly make it easier to clean as well? </div></div>
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Any non-flammable liquid or loose gel will work .
like I mentioned before in Post above, that water & burnt powder is corrosive .
For .22 & a cleaner solution for artifical environment & that is Not corrosive . You Can use WD40 & It will Not cause combustion in a Rimfire Can .
I have used it a hundred times for .22 & it works great .
Just a small squirt in the breach of the Can & No FFP with also quieter on every follow-up shot after . will work/stay for 10 rounds easy .
I would not chance use it (wd40) in any Centerfire Can though because of combustion & unknown Hydraulics . but Rimfire it works good .
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Re: 22 can?
I've had really good success using the nickle or copper based antisieze as an ablative. It works nicely to help keep things from locking together as quickly too.
I've had really good success using the nickle or copper based antisieze as an ablative. It works nicely to help keep things from locking together as quickly too.
Re: 22 can?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had really good success using the nickle or copper based antisieze as an ablative. It works nicely to help keep things from locking together as quickly too.</div></div>
This is true. However, the antisieze will leave residue on the muzzle end of the can and makes it look filthy pretty quickly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had really good success using the nickle or copper based antisieze as an ablative. It works nicely to help keep things from locking together as quickly too.</div></div>
This is true. However, the antisieze will leave residue on the muzzle end of the can and makes it look filthy pretty quickly.
Re: 22 can?
That's true, after the first mag through a fresh application I do have to wipe off the muzzle. The performance has been worth it to me though to remember to wipe the muzzle every thousand rounds or so.
That's true, after the first mag through a fresh application I do have to wipe off the muzzle. The performance has been worth it to me though to remember to wipe the muzzle every thousand rounds or so.
