223 twist rate
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Don't hinder yourself with a 1:9. Go 1:8 and don't look back. The 1:9 is too touchy for stabilizing the 75 AMAX
Don't hinder yourself with a 1:9. Go 1:8 and don't look back. The 1:9 is too touchy for stabilizing the 75 AMAX
Re: 223 twist rate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: darrenk75b</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't hinder yourself with a 1:9. Go 1:8 and don't look back. The 1:9 is too touchy for stabilizing the 75 AMAX</div></div>
Agreed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: darrenk75b</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't hinder yourself with a 1:9. Go 1:8 and don't look back. The 1:9 is too touchy for stabilizing the 75 AMAX</div></div>
Agreed
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1.8 for sure.
You can shhot the longer heavier bullets at longer ranges with no stabilization issues. You might have a problem with the little short 35gr varmint bullets at high velocity, they could spin apart, but I doubt it. And if they did you just slow down a little.
1.8 for sure.
You can shhot the longer heavier bullets at longer ranges with no stabilization issues. You might have a problem with the little short 35gr varmint bullets at high velocity, they could spin apart, but I doubt it. And if they did you just slow down a little.
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Even a 1 in 7" twist should work. A 7-twist barrel will usually handle 50-52 gr varmint loads with no problem whatsoever and still give you great stabilization up to 77 gr match bullets or even longer. If you're thinking about the 35-40 gr microdots, that's another story and 7-twist would likely overspin them.
Even a 1 in 7" twist should work. A 7-twist barrel will usually handle 50-52 gr varmint loads with no problem whatsoever and still give you great stabilization up to 77 gr match bullets or even longer. If you're thinking about the 35-40 gr microdots, that's another story and 7-twist would likely overspin them.
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I'm buying a new barrel for my savage 12 FLV in .223 soon and will probably go with 7.7" You can shoot the 75 80 and even 90 grainers way way out there.
Read this--> http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/shooting-223-mile-1.php
Can't kill a varmint that's far away if you can't accurately shoot your rifle that far.
I'm buying a new barrel for my savage 12 FLV in .223 soon and will probably go with 7.7" You can shoot the 75 80 and even 90 grainers way way out there.
Read this--> http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/shooting-223-mile-1.php
Can't kill a varmint that's far away if you can't accurately shoot your rifle that far.
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You'll need at least a straight-8 for the 80's.
A 7-twist might NOT do the 90's.
The 90-grainers suck.
They suck almost as bad as anythig below 52 grains does.
I shoot 80JLK's out of a 7-twist: Stable all year 'round; good to 1200 yards in the summer, depending on altitude.
You'll need at least a straight-8 for the 80's.
A 7-twist might NOT do the 90's.
The 90-grainers suck.
They suck almost as bad as anythig below 52 grains does.
I shoot 80JLK's out of a 7-twist: Stable all year 'round; good to 1200 yards in the summer, depending on altitude.
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I shoot the 8 and the 7.7, both are fantastic. I shoot 60 vmax and 75 amax's all the way out to 1k and a bit beyond when its good.
I shoot the 8 and the 7.7, both are fantastic. I shoot 60 vmax and 75 amax's all the way out to 1k and a bit beyond when its good.
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1 and 9 twist. If your varmint hunting you'll want to shoot the lighter bullets. It is a good middle of the road twist rate. Depends on how heavy of a match bullet you want to go with. What will you do...more varmint or more long range? Still I own 3 .223's....go with the 1-9.
1 and 9 twist. If your varmint hunting you'll want to shoot the lighter bullets. It is a good middle of the road twist rate. Depends on how heavy of a match bullet you want to go with. What will you do...more varmint or more long range? Still I own 3 .223's....go with the 1-9.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
Re: 223 twist rate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
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I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
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I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing. </div></div>
I listen to Graham, he knows far more than I.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>
Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing. </div></div>
I listen to Graham, he knows far more than I.
Re: 223 twist rate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
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I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing. </div></div>I listen to Graham, he knows far more than I. </div></div>LOL! I like it!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.
I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing. </div></div>I listen to Graham, he knows far more than I. </div></div>LOL! I like it!
Re: 223 twist rate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tacshooter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Graham said:A 9 won't do anything that an 8 won't do better. And a 7 won't do anything worse than an 8. </div></div>Graham is right, in a tactical/varmint style rifle, I see no reason to go with anything less than an eight. Varmint hunting usually occupies 50-55 grain bullets, and an 8 with do those fine. But there is nothing wrong with using 60-80 grain bullets either. Go with the 8.</div></div>
I listen to coldboremiracle.. he usually knows what he's doing. </div></div>I listen to Graham, he knows far more than I. </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL! I like it!</div></div>
Come to think of it, Graham has probably forgot more than I know.
Re: 223 twist rate
I had a sps tactical 9 twist that would shoot 75 amax's very very well. For some reason I sold. I have since bought 2 more that wouldn't shoot them worth a shit. If you are going to build go at least 8 twist or faster. If you are buying factory go sps tactical and take your chances.
I had a sps tactical 9 twist that would shoot 75 amax's very very well. For some reason I sold. I have since bought 2 more that wouldn't shoot them worth a shit. If you are going to build go at least 8 twist or faster. If you are buying factory go sps tactical and take your chances.
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Don't know if any has mentioned this or not,but a 1/8 is a very good twist.................
Don't know if any has mentioned this or not,but a 1/8 is a very good twist.................
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OK so why are there rifles out there with 1 in 12 rates. What can be expect of them? I'm looking to do some mid range (400-500yd.) shooting. I just read an excellent review on the Howa rifles yet they only have a 1 in 12 twist.
Tikka
OK so why are there rifles out there with 1 in 12 rates. What can be expect of them? I'm looking to do some mid range (400-500yd.) shooting. I just read an excellent review on the Howa rifles yet they only have a 1 in 12 twist.
Tikka
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The 12-twist is optimized for short range shooting with 55grain factory ammo. They are 100-300 yard rifles. You can stretch them to 400-plus if the wind isn't blowing too bad and your targets are wide.
The 12-twist is optimized for short range shooting with 55grain factory ammo. They are 100-300 yard rifles. You can stretch them to 400-plus if the wind isn't blowing too bad and your targets are wide.
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How does barrel length affect stabilization? For instance my 16" 1:9 carbine would presumably max out around 62gr (tho some say 68/69 depending). Would a 20" bolt gun for example make a difference in this threshold?
How does barrel length affect stabilization? For instance my 16" 1:9 carbine would presumably max out around 62gr (tho some say 68/69 depending). Would a 20" bolt gun for example make a difference in this threshold?
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If you can get a 1-8 for the 75 A-max you will love it. The 1-9 will work some times but I had an LTR that loves the Hornady 68BTHP.
Good Luck,
JamieD
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If you can get a 1-8 for the 75 A-max you will love it. The 1-9 will work some times but I had an LTR that loves the Hornady 68BTHP.
Good Luck,
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Im building a 1/8 twist 22in long to shoot 80gr A-max dont know if it will shoot out to 1k, new build not complete.
Im building a 1/8 twist 22in long to shoot 80gr A-max dont know if it will shoot out to 1k, new build not complete.
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That is excactly what mine is 22" 1-8 twist. I shoot the 75 A-max and have run it to 1000 and a couple times beyond with no problems. Great fun round to spend some time at the range with.
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That is excactly what mine is 22" 1-8 twist. I shoot the 75 A-max and have run it to 1000 and a couple times beyond with no problems. Great fun round to spend some time at the range with.
Good Luck,
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rookie7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the point of diminishing returns on the barrel length for the .223? I am talking about for a long-range rig. Is it 20", 22", 24" etc.?
thanks </div></div>what do you consider "long range" are are you talking long range in general or long range for a .223?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rookie7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the point of diminishing returns on the barrel length for the .223? I am talking about for a long-range rig. Is it 20", 22", 24" etc.?
thanks </div></div>what do you consider "long range" are are you talking long range in general or long range for a .223?
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I guess I'm talking long range in general - which to me would be 500 to 1000 yards.
Where I live and have hunted really long shots aren't normal. I killed a deer at 275 yards once with a .270 and one a touch further with a 7mm/08.
The farthest I have shot a "target" was a water-filled milk jug at 400 yards with a Winchester model 70 in .223. I did hit it!
I guess I'm talking long range in general - which to me would be 500 to 1000 yards.
Where I live and have hunted really long shots aren't normal. I killed a deer at 275 yards once with a .270 and one a touch further with a 7mm/08.
The farthest I have shot a "target" was a water-filled milk jug at 400 yards with a Winchester model 70 in .223. I did hit it!
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Just had a 27" 1 in 7 twist .223 built this winter, still working on loads and have some that look promising. It is throated for 90 gr. Berger's but shoots 69 smk and 70 gr. Bergers very well, also likes 80 gr. SMK and Hornaday 80 gr.
Have seen a 30" barrel on a .223 but don't feel it would do anything a 26" wouldn't do. For a "handy" varmint rifle that might get carried a 24" would be about the longest I'd want. From what I can tell about your intended use I'd think an 8 twist would do anything you want.
Just had a 27" 1 in 7 twist .223 built this winter, still working on loads and have some that look promising. It is throated for 90 gr. Berger's but shoots 69 smk and 70 gr. Bergers very well, also likes 80 gr. SMK and Hornaday 80 gr.
Have seen a 30" barrel on a .223 but don't feel it would do anything a 26" wouldn't do. For a "handy" varmint rifle that might get carried a 24" would be about the longest I'd want. From what I can tell about your intended use I'd think an 8 twist would do anything you want.
