30 cal 208g a-max
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Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
Yeah, they seem to have dried up.
Part of it is beacuse of all these guys (MM, you know who you are.
) that think that 208's are for 30-06's and 308's. Every time I see that "308 Win, 208 AMax, RL17" thread in the Range Report & Exterior Ballistics forum, I want to inflict bodily harm. Everybody knows that 208 Amax's were built by Hornady specifically for users of the mighy 300WM and NOTHING else! There is a special place in hell that burns several hundred degrees hotter for those blasphemers that have 300WM envy and are illegitimately using 208 Amax's in their inferior calibers.
There. Got THAT out of my system.
John
In all seriousness, I'm trying some 210 JLK's this weekend because of this issue. They're a little more expensive, but available. Oh, and I have it on VERY good account that they will blow a 308 or 30-06 to smithereens, so don't even THINK about it.
Yeah, they seem to have dried up.
Part of it is beacuse of all these guys (MM, you know who you are.
There. Got THAT out of my system.
John
In all seriousness, I'm trying some 210 JLK's this weekend because of this issue. They're a little more expensive, but available. Oh, and I have it on VERY good account that they will blow a 308 or 30-06 to smithereens, so don't even THINK about it.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I will have to say that he is right.but want say that I use them in a 308 like he has said.but love them in my 300wm just as he does.so I guess you will have to do as he has gone and done.change up with a good Berger or something like it in a 210gn bullet.the load shouldn't change at all if not just a tad.hope you are able to get something soon.but if it keeps up I guess I might just get rich off the 200 or so I have.heheheh
I will have to say that he is right.but want say that I use them in a 308 like he has said.but love them in my 300wm just as he does.so I guess you will have to do as he has gone and done.change up with a good Berger or something like it in a 210gn bullet.the load shouldn't change at all if not just a tad.hope you are able to get something soon.but if it keeps up I guess I might just get rich off the 200 or so I have.heheheh
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game.
I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game. </div></div>
Yeah, I'm down to my last 100. That's about what my local store has been ordering them for me. My sources are all BO too.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game. </div></div>
Yeah, I'm down to my last 100. That's about what my local store has been ordering them for me. My sources are all BO too.
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
Hey, jrob, I hear there is a 225gr AMax in the works with a BC in the .7's. When it comes out you won't have to shoot those lowly 308 Win bullets (the 208s), anymore.....grin
Hey, jrob, I hear there is a 225gr AMax in the works with a BC in the .7's. When it comes out you won't have to shoot those lowly 308 Win bullets (the 208s), anymore.....grin
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, jrob, I hear there is a 225gr AMax in the works with a BC in the .7's. When it comes out you won't have to shoot those lowly 308 Win bullets (the 208s), anymore.....grin </div></div>
I've heard this also... as well as a +.7 BC bullet from Berger. I'm going to have to go back to a 26" barrel.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey, jrob, I hear there is a 225gr AMax in the works with a BC in the .7's. When it comes out you won't have to shoot those lowly 308 Win bullets (the 208s), anymore.....grin </div></div>
I've heard this also... as well as a +.7 BC bullet from Berger. I'm going to have to go back to a 26" barrel.
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Things just keep getting better. </div></div>
And further!
I was talking to Leo Anderson today (1000 yd BR guy. I *think* he held the WR at one point). I'm buying the JLK's from him. He wanted to know why in the world anyone would want to shoot 208's out of a 308. When I told him the distances you guys are hitting with 308's he was flabbergasted. But then, if you'd told me a year ago I'd be hitting at 1900 I would have laughed in your face.
john
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Things just keep getting better. </div></div>
And further!
I was talking to Leo Anderson today (1000 yd BR guy. I *think* he held the WR at one point). I'm buying the JLK's from him. He wanted to know why in the world anyone would want to shoot 208's out of a 308. When I told him the distances you guys are hitting with 308's he was flabbergasted. But then, if you'd told me a year ago I'd be hitting at 1900 I would have laughed in your face.
john
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
Yep, it's surprising how far these things can 'work', if you have the room to stretch them out. I've had my 30-06 out a bit past 1800 yards with consistent results in nearly calm conditions. 208s, at 2720 fps.
Yep, it's surprising how far these things can 'work', if you have the room to stretch them out. I've had my 30-06 out a bit past 1800 yards with consistent results in nearly calm conditions. 208s, at 2720 fps.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's surprising how far these things can 'work', if you have the room to stretch them out. I've had my 30-06 out a bit past 1800 yards with consistent results in nearly calm conditions. 208s, at 2720 fps. </div></div>
That's amazing.
I wonder if the powder mfgs. are staying abreast of this stuff and will have *something* that will do for the 300 w/ 225's what RL17 did for the 308 w/ 208's.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep, it's surprising how far these things can 'work', if you have the room to stretch them out. I've had my 30-06 out a bit past 1800 yards with consistent results in nearly calm conditions. 208s, at 2720 fps. </div></div>
That's amazing.
I wonder if the powder mfgs. are staying abreast of this stuff and will have *something* that will do for the 300 w/ 225's what RL17 did for the 308 w/ 208's.
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I think Alliant is working on a new line of powders called "Power Pro".
I doubt they are the only ones taking advantage of the newer powder technologies.
I think Alliant is working on a new line of powders called "Power Pro".
I doubt they are the only ones taking advantage of the newer powder technologies.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I take it there are five powders in the Power Pro series.
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/200...o-ball-powders/
I take it there are five powders in the Power Pro series.
http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/200...o-ball-powders/
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
Don't feel bad guys. I shoot for Hornady and I can't get any either. I have 2000 on backorder. They are a pretty popular item. And yes they will be used in my 300WM where they belong
Don't feel bad guys. I shoot for Hornady and I can't get any either. I have 2000 on backorder. They are a pretty popular item. And yes they will be used in my 300WM where they belong
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't feel bad guys. I shoot for Hornady and I can't get any either. I have 2000 on backorder. They are a pretty popular item. And yes they will be used in my 300WM where they belong
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I *knew* I could count on Rob. SOME people can be trusted.
The Tech Rep I talked to at Hornady said they were totally overwhelmed by the demand.
As far as Alliant Powders:
"Alliant is working right now on at least two new powders that will use the Nitro Chemie’s new powder technology. One powder (Reloder 16?) will be faster than RL 17, and one will be slower — possibly in the H1000 range." They're expecting an additional 50 fps over existing powders.
Not sure if this is what became the Power Pro series or if it's in addition...
John
ETA: Sorry AtownBcat for totally derailing your thread. NOBODY I know has these in stock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't feel bad guys. I shoot for Hornady and I can't get any either. I have 2000 on backorder. They are a pretty popular item. And yes they will be used in my 300WM where they belong
I *knew* I could count on Rob. SOME people can be trusted.
The Tech Rep I talked to at Hornady said they were totally overwhelmed by the demand.
As far as Alliant Powders:
"Alliant is working right now on at least two new powders that will use the Nitro Chemie’s new powder technology. One powder (Reloder 16?) will be faster than RL 17, and one will be slower — possibly in the H1000 range." They're expecting an additional 50 fps over existing powders.
Not sure if this is what became the Power Pro series or if it's in addition...
John
ETA: Sorry AtownBcat for totally derailing your thread. NOBODY I know has these in stock.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL </div></div>
See? I KNEW he was watching.
John </div></div>
hahah...
210 JLK's like to be touching the lands in my 30-06 btw... they launch a start faster than the 208's too, a full 2900fps
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL </div></div>
See? I KNEW he was watching.
John </div></div>
hahah...
210 JLK's like to be touching the lands in my 30-06 btw... they launch a start faster than the 208's too, a full 2900fps
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL </div></div>
See? I KNEW he was watching.
John </div></div>
hahah...
210 JLK's like to be touching the lands in my 30-06 btw... they launch a start faster than the 208's too, a full 2900fps
</div></div>
Damn it Bohem!
Another one of the blasphemer troublemakers weighs in!
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL </div></div>
See? I KNEW he was watching.
John </div></div>
hahah...
210 JLK's like to be touching the lands in my 30-06 btw... they launch a start faster than the 208's too, a full 2900fps
Damn it Bohem!
Another one of the blasphemer troublemakers weighs in!
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
So now would be a bad time to tell you that I have 1k of the 208s on back order from grafs at 24.49/box...
So now would be a bad time to tell you that I have 1k of the 208s on back order from grafs at 24.49/box...
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">24.49/box... </div></div>
That is a good price. I hope Hornady gets their shit together. I'm paying $40/125 for JLK's and that's a deal!
I guess I should get some Amax's on BO. They *have* to come in eventually, right? Maybe they'll beat my Viper PST at this rate.
John
ETA: Oh, and by the way, 2900 fps out of a 30-06... the laws of physics... they've been violated! Witch! WITCH! Burn him! BURN HIM!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">24.49/box... </div></div>
That is a good price. I hope Hornady gets their shit together. I'm paying $40/125 for JLK's and that's a deal!
I guess I should get some Amax's on BO. They *have* to come in eventually, right? Maybe they'll beat my Viper PST at this rate.
John
ETA: Oh, and by the way, 2900 fps out of a 30-06... the laws of physics... they've been violated! Witch! WITCH! Burn him! BURN HIM!
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
You guys seem to know something obout the 208's...I have not tried them yet but was shooting today at 1000 yards(not well)with 180 accubonds. (300WM) the wind wasnt that bad, but it was variable and an older guy there said i needed to switch to the 208...He was also using the exact same powder charge of 73.5g of H4831 with no pressure signs....I would like to give them a try. I have 75 or so 200g accubonds but he said find the 208's....
You guys seem to know something obout the 208's...I have not tried them yet but was shooting today at 1000 yards(not well)with 180 accubonds. (300WM) the wind wasnt that bad, but it was variable and an older guy there said i needed to switch to the 208...He was also using the exact same powder charge of 73.5g of H4831 with no pressure signs....I would like to give them a try. I have 75 or so 200g accubonds but he said find the 208's....
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game. </div></div>
I back ordered a couple weeks ago from Midway and they put me into September! Good to know I "might" get them sooner!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not hoarding them though, only have about 600 on hand.
Midway has them on sale for $26.99/100, until end of July. I'm ordering another 400, even though they are on backorder until mid August. Gotta stay ahead of the game. </div></div>
I back ordered a couple weeks ago from Midway and they put me into September! Good to know I "might" get them sooner!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ETA: Oh, and by the way, 2900 fps out of a 30-06... the laws of physics... they've been violated! Witch! WITCH! Burn him! BURN HIM! </div></div>
I won't tell you where I'm getting the pixie dust for powder blending
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ETA: Oh, and by the way, 2900 fps out of a 30-06... the laws of physics... they've been violated! Witch! WITCH! Burn him! BURN HIM! </div></div>
I won't tell you where I'm getting the pixie dust for powder blending
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
jrob300 said:Yeah, they seem to have dried up.
Part of it is beacuse of all these guys (MM, you know who you are.) that think that 208's are for 30-06's and 308's. Every time I see that "308 Win, 208 AMax, RL17" thread in the Range Report & Exterior Ballistics forum, I want to inflict bodily harm. Everybody knows that 208 Amax's were built by Hornady specifically for users of the mighy 300WM and NOTHING else! There is a special place in hell that burns several hundred degrees hotter for those blasphemers that have 300WM envy and are illegitimately using 208 Amax's in their inferior calibers.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
If you look at the ballistics of the 208 in .308 (with the right powder combo) the energy makes the .308 seem like a whole new cartridge. I realize that they maybe weren't designed this way but it sure is impressive.
If you look at the ballistics of the 208 in .308 (with the right powder combo) the energy makes the .308 seem like a whole new cartridge. I realize that they maybe weren't designed this way but it sure is impressive.
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I want to try the RL17 with 208's combo in my 26" Rock Creek 11.25" twist Rem700 .308. Will this barrel stabilize the 208's?
I want to try the RL17 with 208's combo in my 26" Rock Creek 11.25" twist Rem700 .308. Will this barrel stabilize the 208's?
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We use a 1-12T with the 208s and they are stable to 1000yrds. MV is 2640fps.
We use a 1-12T with the 208s and they are stable to 1000yrds. MV is 2640fps.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtownBcat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does any body know where to find any. I have looked every place I know to look.</div></div>
I used the find
A lot of hunting and outfitting stores are there.
My AR10 was hungry...hehehe
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AtownBcat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does any body know where to find any. I have looked every place I know to look.</div></div>
I used the find
A lot of hunting and outfitting stores are there.
My AR10 was hungry...hehehe
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
Midway is going to have the in stock (apparently) next week. I back ordered some at a sale price they had a month ago.
Midway is going to have the in stock (apparently) next week. I back ordered some at a sale price they had a month ago.
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Well FYI they are readily available in the UK and I've just taken delivery of some to work up a load in my 300WM (sorry to rub it in ;o)
However I just realised that they cost the equivalent of around $70/100 over here so I'll stop being smug (bloody hope they are worth it!)
Well FYI they are readily available in the UK and I've just taken delivery of some to work up a load in my 300WM (sorry to rub it in ;o)
However I just realised that they cost the equivalent of around $70/100 over here so I'll stop being smug (bloody hope they are worth it!)
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
The Find works awesome just ordered 3 boxes at a good price too. Thanks for the heads up
The Find works awesome just ordered 3 boxes at a good price too. Thanks for the heads up
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: couesnut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Find works awesome just ordered 3 boxes at a good price too. Thanks for the heads up </div></div>
Which site did you order from? I wonder if some of these guys actually have them in stock?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: couesnut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Find works awesome just ordered 3 boxes at a good price too. Thanks for the heads up </div></div>
Which site did you order from? I wonder if some of these guys actually have them in stock?
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I called Hornady up last week and they told me that they aren't going to do another run until the middle of October.
I called Hornady up last week and they told me that they aren't going to do another run until the middle of October.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dylanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I called Hornady up last week and they told me that they aren't going to do another run until the middle of October. </div></div>
Yeah, I just got off the phone with one of the young ladies in Orders. She verified this, but said they have a production meeting once a week and she would pass on the fact that there has been a sharp increase in demand and perhaps they can pull that in, but no guarantees.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dylanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I called Hornady up last week and they told me that they aren't going to do another run until the middle of October. </div></div>
Yeah, I just got off the phone with one of the young ladies in Orders. She verified this, but said they have a production meeting once a week and she would pass on the fact that there has been a sharp increase in demand and perhaps they can pull that in, but no guarantees.
John
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Well I got an email today saying my order was out of stock. I guess they don't update, they showed in stock. The search goes on
Well I got an email today saying my order was out of stock. I guess they don't update, they showed in stock. The search goes on
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I got lucky, I posted on another board and found a guy who was moving away from 308 cal and up to the 338, so he had 300 208 amax and 200 210 berger(hunting) so I bought them all!!!
I got lucky, I posted on another board and found a guy who was moving away from 308 cal and up to the 338, so he had 300 208 amax and 200 210 berger(hunting) so I bought them all!!!
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Do you guys have any load info for using 208's in 308? Like powders etc?? really want to give these a shot!
Do you guys have any load info for using 208's in 308? Like powders etc?? really want to give these a shot!
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If the 208's are shooting accurately to over a mile in a 308, how far could a 208 shoot accurately to out of a 300 RUM at 3100 fps?
If the 208's are shooting accurately to over a mile in a 308, how far could a 208 shoot accurately to out of a 300 RUM at 3100 fps?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the 208's are shooting accurately to over a mile in a 308</div></div>
I must have missed this. Who said 1760 with a .308?
Plus, there's "hitting" and "accurately". I've "hit" with my 300WM at 1900. The group was about 1 MOA. But it was a total of 3 shots. Period. Ever. So I'm not claiming "accurately" yet.
My plan is to keep walking my WM out til I cant dial or hold over any more. That should be 2.4 or 2.5K.
So, the answer to your question is, "I'm not sure". A lot of it would depend on your altitude. My WM at 4000f ASL will outperform the 300RUM at Sea Level. So there are a LOT of factors to consider.
All things being equal, the RUM is SS about 100 yds further at my altitude, so that might help you.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the 208's are shooting accurately to over a mile in a 308</div></div>
I must have missed this. Who said 1760 with a .308?
Plus, there's "hitting" and "accurately". I've "hit" with my 300WM at 1900. The group was about 1 MOA. But it was a total of 3 shots. Period. Ever. So I'm not claiming "accurately" yet.
My plan is to keep walking my WM out til I cant dial or hold over any more. That should be 2.4 or 2.5K.
So, the answer to your question is, "I'm not sure". A lot of it would depend on your altitude. My WM at 4000f ASL will outperform the 300RUM at Sea Level. So there are a LOT of factors to consider.
All things being equal, the RUM is SS about 100 yds further at my altitude, so that might help you.
John
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jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.
Seeing this thread does have me excited about the possibility of a 225 amax, however the comment that Hornady isn't planning another run until October has me thinking that i'm going to switch to Scenars, or maybe try the JLK or Bergers in 210's.
Branden
jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.
Seeing this thread does have me excited about the possibility of a 225 amax, however the comment that Hornady isn't planning another run until October has me thinking that i'm going to switch to Scenars, or maybe try the JLK or Bergers in 210's.
Branden
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I have some 208gr Amax's , and intend to run them in a 300WM , BUT if Berger bring out a 210gr Hybrid , then I will switch to that .
Later Chris
I have some 208gr Amax's , and intend to run them in a 300WM , BUT if Berger bring out a 210gr Hybrid , then I will switch to that .
Later Chris
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Dust_Remover, what receipe are you running with the 208's in 308? I like Varget.. Whats you choice?
Dust_Remover, what receipe are you running with the 208's in 308? I like Varget.. Whats you choice?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.</div></div>
I think the development you guys have done with a cartridge that was never intended to push heavy bullets is unique and outside the box. On its own merits I appreciate it very much for the good of the discipline. However, it has made it rather difficult to find my first choice in bullet, so some gentle ribbing seemed in order.
I too am interested to see where 30 cal. development goes. The 225's would have to be pretty slippery for me to get a benefit from them. I'm not sure I can drive them fast enough with the WM to outpace the 208's. One of the reasons I'm also watching powder development.
John
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.</div></div>
I think the development you guys have done with a cartridge that was never intended to push heavy bullets is unique and outside the box. On its own merits I appreciate it very much for the good of the discipline. However, it has made it rather difficult to find my first choice in bullet, so some gentle ribbing seemed in order.
I too am interested to see where 30 cal. development goes. The 225's would have to be pretty slippery for me to get a benefit from them. I'm not sure I can drive them fast enough with the WM to outpace the 208's. One of the reasons I'm also watching powder development.
John
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.</div></div>
I think the development you guys have done with a cartridge that was never intended to push heavy bullets is unique and outside the box. On its own merits I appreciate it very much for the good of the discipline. However, it has made it rather difficult to find my first choice in bullet, so some gentle ribbing seemed in order.
I too am interested to see where 30 cal. development goes. The 225's would have to be pretty slippery for me to get a benefit from them. I'm not sure I can drive them fast enough with the WM to outpace the 208's. One of the reasons I'm also watching powder development.
John
John </div></div>
Some gentle ribbing is all in good fun, i'm all for good fun. I think I got it figured out now though....you were the one that came and put the frog in my basement this morning huh! (yes, i'm serious, there is a frog in my basement bathroom).
The powder development seems like's it taken a giant leap forward compared to what we've seen. For the last several years there really hasn't been much of anything other than minor improvements if you can even call them that. We've all been rather dogmatic about powders, sticking solely to one or two powders and not changing up. Using a powder designed for short magnums, and putting it in a cartridge that it was never really intended for, and getting the results we're getting makes me wonder about trying many other powders that aren't designed for it to see if/where there lies any benefit.
I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">jrob, I think you are suffering from a case of cartridge envy, kinda like penis envy but in a completely opposite manner, lol. I'm a blasphemer that uses the 208's in the .308, and the only reason I have any is because a individual on this site was kind enough to send me two boxes so I could compete at a match.</div></div>
I think the development you guys have done with a cartridge that was never intended to push heavy bullets is unique and outside the box. On its own merits I appreciate it very much for the good of the discipline. However, it has made it rather difficult to find my first choice in bullet, so some gentle ribbing seemed in order.
I too am interested to see where 30 cal. development goes. The 225's would have to be pretty slippery for me to get a benefit from them. I'm not sure I can drive them fast enough with the WM to outpace the 208's. One of the reasons I'm also watching powder development.
John
John </div></div>
Some gentle ribbing is all in good fun, i'm all for good fun. I think I got it figured out now though....you were the one that came and put the frog in my basement this morning huh! (yes, i'm serious, there is a frog in my basement bathroom).
The powder development seems like's it taken a giant leap forward compared to what we've seen. For the last several years there really hasn't been much of anything other than minor improvements if you can even call them that. We've all been rather dogmatic about powders, sticking solely to one or two powders and not changing up. Using a powder designed for short magnums, and putting it in a cartridge that it was never really intended for, and getting the results we're getting makes me wonder about trying many other powders that aren't designed for it to see if/where there lies any benefit.
I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden </div></div>
Wow. I just got off the phone with Tanya at Hornady. Not only has the schedule not been pulled in... But it's been pushed OUT to Nov. 1. Wow. Just wow.
I guess we're just not that big a part of their market segment.
I'm going to have to get some more JLK's I guess.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden </div></div>
Wow. I just got off the phone with Tanya at Hornady. Not only has the schedule not been pulled in... But it's been pushed OUT to Nov. 1. Wow. Just wow.
I guess we're just not that big a part of their market segment.
I'm going to have to get some more JLK's I guess.
John
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
I noticed the date that Midway expects the 208s in stock had changed from 14 Aug, to 30 Nov.
I noticed the date that Midway expects the 208s in stock had changed from 14 Aug, to 30 Nov.
Re: 30 cal 208g a-max
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden </div></div>
Wow. I just got off the phone with Tanya at Hornady. Not only has the schedule not been pulled in... But it's been pushed OUT to Nov. 1. Wow. Just wow.
I guess we're just not that big a part of their market segment.
I'm going to have to get some more JLK's I guess.
John </div></div>
I suppose we need an email address over there so we can express our disappointment, and state that we're going to another company, I wonder how many lost customers it'll take before they get the message. If 20 or 30 people email you to tell you their going elsewhere, how many did they lose that didn't email them?
Looks like i'm going to be calling JLK as well.
Branden
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrob300</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dust_Remover</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I seriously hope that Hornady pulls their head from their butt and starts pressing out the 208's from their presses and getting the backorders filled. If they can't fill the backlog, they are going to lose customers, and a lot of them.
Branden </div></div>
Wow. I just got off the phone with Tanya at Hornady. Not only has the schedule not been pulled in... But it's been pushed OUT to Nov. 1. Wow. Just wow.
I guess we're just not that big a part of their market segment.
I'm going to have to get some more JLK's I guess.
John </div></div>
I suppose we need an email address over there so we can express our disappointment, and state that we're going to another company, I wonder how many lost customers it'll take before they get the message. If 20 or 30 people email you to tell you their going elsewhere, how many did they lose that didn't email them?
Looks like i'm going to be calling JLK as well.
Branden
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