Which of these rounds would you choose over the other and why?
Pro and Cons to each round
Pro and Cons to each round
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Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
338 Norma because it delivers more energy and longer barrel life.
338 Norma because it delivers more energy and longer barrel life.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
I chose the 300 Norma because it is less expensive to shoot and it will get me to a mile no problem. Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part.
I chose the 300 Norma because it is less expensive to shoot and it will get me to a mile no problem. Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Never shot the 300NM, but I do have a 338NM and its a great shooting little rifle, my first time beyond 1200yds, skipped the mile shot and hit a sub MOA target @ 2020yds, took me a few rounds but got it done, video quality is good, but I'm gonna get some better footage and I'll post it up.
Never shot the 300NM, but I do have a 338NM and its a great shooting little rifle, my first time beyond 1200yds, skipped the mile shot and hit a sub MOA target @ 2020yds, took me a few rounds but got it done, video quality is good, but I'm gonna get some better footage and I'll post it up.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
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The purpose of this rifle is big game hunting and shooting steel. Probably will very rarely ever go out past 1 mile with it, but I would like to be able to have success out to 2000 meters if the opportunity presented itself.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
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The purpose of this rifle is big game hunting and shooting steel. Probably will very rarely ever go out past 1 mile with it, but I would like to be able to have success out to 2000 meters if the opportunity presented itself.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never shot the 300NM, but I do have a 338NM and its a great shooting little rifle, my first time beyond 1200yds, skipped the mile shot and hit a sub MOA target @ 2020yds, took me a few rounds but got it done, video quality is good, but I'm gonna get some better footage and I'll post it up.</div></div>
Can't wait to see this video.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never shot the 300NM, but I do have a 338NM and its a great shooting little rifle, my first time beyond 1200yds, skipped the mile shot and hit a sub MOA target @ 2020yds, took me a few rounds but got it done, video quality is good, but I'm gonna get some better footage and I'll post it up.</div></div>
Can't wait to see this video.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
I sold my 338 Edge and now have a 300NM Imp. The Edge isn't a NM but the ballistics are close enough. I much prefer the recoil of the 230 OTM's at 3050 over the recoil I had with the 300 SMK's going 2850 fps. Accuracy has been great with the 230's as well.
I sold my 338 Edge and now have a 300NM Imp. The Edge isn't a NM but the ballistics are close enough. I much prefer the recoil of the 230 OTM's at 3050 over the recoil I had with the 300 SMK's going 2850 fps. Accuracy has been great with the 230's as well.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too </div></div>
Going to be All over Wyoming the week after next on vacation. I know I'll see alot of places to stretch a rifle out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too </div></div>
Going to be All over Wyoming the week after next on vacation. I know I'll see alot of places to stretch a rifle out.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Anyone got any pictures of groups with their 338 or 300 norma along with load data?
Anyone got any pictures of groups with their 338 or 300 norma along with load data?
M
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Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
300 Norma mag
230 Berger
86gr VV N570
Fed 215M
Seated ".005" off the lands
3001fps
Makes a 7mm SAUM seem like a BB gun.
300 Norma mag
230 Berger
86gr VV N570
Fed 215M
Seated ".005" off the lands
3001fps
Makes a 7mm SAUM seem like a BB gun.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 Norma mag
230 Berger
86gr VV N570
Fed 215M
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This is my load as well. I'm at 0.035" off the lands in a 40° Improved case. I'm getting 3050 at 950 elevation in a 10 twist Brux.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300 Norma mag
230 Berger
86gr VV N570
Fed 215M
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This is my load as well. I'm at 0.035" off the lands in a 40° Improved case. I'm getting 3050 at 950 elevation in a 10 twist Brux.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too </div></div>
Funny Sendero, that's just what I was thinking
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sendero_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 260 shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Finding some place to shoot a mile is the hard part. </div></div>
Move West young man... grin !
338 Norma gets my vote too </div></div>
Funny Sendero, that's just what I was thinking
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load?
milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load?
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
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The purpose of this rifle is big game hunting and shooting steel. Probably will very rarely ever go out past 1 mile with it, but I would like to be able to have success out to 2000 meters if the opportunity presented itself.
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Just an FYI concerning 30 vs 338.
I won a ELR match with my 30-375R a couple months ago with the 230 Berger hybrids going 2960 fps. We shot from 770Y to 2356Y with more than a few steels out past a mile. Hitting the 2356Y steel was the highlight of the weekend for me though.
I agree with Goin'hot about the recoil with the 30 cal/230's vs the 338 cal/300's. The recoil is very mild with my 21 lb rifle and muzzle brake.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its hard to answer pros and cons without understanding what the purpose of the rifle is.
</div></div>
The purpose of this rifle is big game hunting and shooting steel. Probably will very rarely ever go out past 1 mile with it, but I would like to be able to have success out to 2000 meters if the opportunity presented itself.
</div></div>
Just an FYI concerning 30 vs 338.
I won a ELR match with my 30-375R a couple months ago with the 230 Berger hybrids going 2960 fps. We shot from 770Y to 2356Y with more than a few steels out past a mile. Hitting the 2356Y steel was the highlight of the weekend for me though.
I agree with Goin'hot about the recoil with the 30 cal/230's vs the 338 cal/300's. The recoil is very mild with my 21 lb rifle and muzzle brake.
M
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Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load? </div></div>
Steve,
It is not my gun, but a friends. It shot a ".328" group at 200 yards, no pics. We shot 5 groups with it that day, all the same charge, just different seating depths, this was the best group. The worst was ".774" at 200 yards. the gun was built by Chad Dixon. It will be the last group on paper he shoots with it, until the throat erodes, and we need to change the load.
Our philosophy is, if you're only gonna get 1600-2000 rounds out of a barrel, why waste barrel life shooting groups on paper. He'll probably periodically shoot some groups at longer ranges on steel to check the accuracy, and I don't think a 1 mile group is out of the realm of this bad boy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load? </div></div>
Steve,
It is not my gun, but a friends. It shot a ".328" group at 200 yards, no pics. We shot 5 groups with it that day, all the same charge, just different seating depths, this was the best group. The worst was ".774" at 200 yards. the gun was built by Chad Dixon. It will be the last group on paper he shoots with it, until the throat erodes, and we need to change the load.
Our philosophy is, if you're only gonna get 1600-2000 rounds out of a barrel, why waste barrel life shooting groups on paper. He'll probably periodically shoot some groups at longer ranges on steel to check the accuracy, and I don't think a 1 mile group is out of the realm of this bad boy.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load? </div></div>
Steve,
It is not my gun, but a friends. It shot a ".328" group at 200 yards, no pics. We shot 5 groups with it that day, all the same charge, just different seating depths, this was the best group. The worst was ".774" at 200 yards. the gun was built by Chad Dixon. It will be the last group on paper he shoots with it, until the throat erodes, and we need to change the load.
Our philosophy is, if you're only gonna get 1600-2000 rounds out of a barrel, why waste barrel life shooting groups on paper. He'll probably periodically shoot some groups at longer ranges on steel to check the accuracy, and I don't think a 1 mile group is out of the realm of this bad boy.</div></div>
Thanks for all the information. Do you know where I could find a wind drift comparison chart on the 300 norma vs 338 norma?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Lunsford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">milo-2 & Goin'Hot,
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of your rifle with this load? </div></div>
Steve,
It is not my gun, but a friends. It shot a ".328" group at 200 yards, no pics. We shot 5 groups with it that day, all the same charge, just different seating depths, this was the best group. The worst was ".774" at 200 yards. the gun was built by Chad Dixon. It will be the last group on paper he shoots with it, until the throat erodes, and we need to change the load.
Our philosophy is, if you're only gonna get 1600-2000 rounds out of a barrel, why waste barrel life shooting groups on paper. He'll probably periodically shoot some groups at longer ranges on steel to check the accuracy, and I don't think a 1 mile group is out of the realm of this bad boy.</div></div>
Thanks for all the information. Do you know where I could find a wind drift comparison chart on the 300 norma vs 338 norma?
M
milo 2.0
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Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Any ballistics calculator, or program will do it, just adjust velocities, BC, etc..
Sometimes speed wins over bc and wieght, sometimes not. As said earlier, what does one want.
Any ballistics calculator, or program will do it, just adjust velocities, BC, etc..
Sometimes speed wins over bc and wieght, sometimes not. As said earlier, what does one want.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any ballistics calculator, or program will do it, just adjust velocities, BC, etc..
Sometimes speed wins over bc and wieght, sometimes not. As said earlier, what does one want.</div></div>
Well it looks like the 338 norma drifts slightly less than the 300 norma from what I have found studying these 2 rounds. I like that the 300 norma has a better selection of bullets and a flatter trajectory. I like that the 338 norma has a better barrel life and less wind drift.
The purpose of this rifle would be for long range hunting and shooting steel targets with a maximum distance of 2000 meters in mind.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: milo-2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any ballistics calculator, or program will do it, just adjust velocities, BC, etc..
Sometimes speed wins over bc and wieght, sometimes not. As said earlier, what does one want.</div></div>
Well it looks like the 338 norma drifts slightly less than the 300 norma from what I have found studying these 2 rounds. I like that the 300 norma has a better selection of bullets and a flatter trajectory. I like that the 338 norma has a better barrel life and less wind drift.
The purpose of this rifle would be for long range hunting and shooting steel targets with a maximum distance of 2000 meters in mind.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
What is the "round about" round count for barrel wear on each of these calibers before having to seat forward ?
What is the "round about" round count for barrel wear on each of these calibers before having to seat forward ?
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the "round about" round count for barrel wear on each of these calibers before having to seat forward ? </div></div>
I'm not sure the answer to your question, but I'm also curious what the barrel life is for each of these cartridges. Also, what are the most common twist rates for the 2 cartridges?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ch'e</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the "round about" round count for barrel wear on each of these calibers before having to seat forward ? </div></div>
I'm not sure the answer to your question, but I'm also curious what the barrel life is for each of these cartridges. Also, what are the most common twist rates for the 2 cartridges?
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">GUNSITE XLR CLASS & BULLET TEST PHASE 2</span>
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he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4" group at 1000 yards cold. Like, "hey let me try this" and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper.
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Excerpt from the general post. No picture unfortunately but Cory, Frank and my other classmates were there. Rounds fit inside a roll of masking tape. There were actually five rounds fired; that fifth round was actually the first shot. Got the wind call from that and emptied the mag for the group.Had been shooting another rifle for a couple of hours with interesting results(see quoted thread)
It's still to early to tell on barrel life.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">GUNSITE XLR CLASS & BULLET TEST PHASE 2</span>
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he broke out his 300NM and shot a 4" group at 1000 yards cold. Like, "hey let me try this" and bang, he had less than a 1/2 Minute group on paper.
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Excerpt from the general post. No picture unfortunately but Cory, Frank and my other classmates were there. Rounds fit inside a roll of masking tape. There were actually five rounds fired; that fifth round was actually the first shot. Got the wind call from that and emptied the mag for the group.Had been shooting another rifle for a couple of hours with interesting results(see quoted thread)
It's still to early to tell on barrel life.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
300 Norma Mag 26" bbl 1:9.5 twist
230 Berger Hybrid(not OTM) seated .015" off lands
-this works out to be max for mag feeding
85.3gr Retumbo
WLRM primers
2940fps
This is a near MAXIMUM load; not a starting load. Be safe and start low and work up a load that is suited to your rifle.
300 Norma Mag 26" bbl 1:9.5 twist
230 Berger Hybrid(not OTM) seated .015" off lands
-this works out to be max for mag feeding
85.3gr Retumbo
WLRM primers
2940fps
This is a near MAXIMUM load; not a starting load. Be safe and start low and work up a load that is suited to your rifle.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Preliminary testing with 220 SMK's and 86.0 gr of retumbo is chronoing 3030-3050 fps.
Original load in this rifle is a 208 A-MAX with 88.8 gr H-1000 running at 3100 fps sub .5 MOA W/28" barrel.
Preliminary testing with 220 SMK's and 86.0 gr of retumbo is chronoing 3030-3050 fps.
Original load in this rifle is a 208 A-MAX with 88.8 gr H-1000 running at 3100 fps sub .5 MOA W/28" barrel.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
My 300NM arrived from Francis "the Animal" I am sending it out to be coated then I will be ready to roll.
My 300NM arrived from Francis "the Animal" I am sending it out to be coated then I will be ready to roll.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 300NM arrived from Francis "the Animal" I am sending it out to be coated then I will be ready to roll. </div></div>
I would love to see some pictures of this rifle when you get it back. What are the specs?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 300NM arrived from Francis "the Animal" I am sending it out to be coated then I will be ready to roll. </div></div>
I would love to see some pictures of this rifle when you get it back. What are the specs?
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who has dies for the 300NM? </div></div>
Forster. Built off of the PTG reamer drawing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gyr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who has dies for the 300NM? </div></div>
Forster. Built off of the PTG reamer drawing.
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
300 Norma Mag
Here are some loads and lengths for the Sierra 220 and 240gr M.T.C.H
Brass Trim Length Min 2.492 to Max 2.502
REM 700
26.0 BBL
Broughton 5C 1.9-0 *
RockCreek 5R 1.9-0 To 1.9-3
26.0 BBL
240gr loads
Powder:
N-560 ********* accurate 3.436 80.0 to 81.0gr Seirra 240gr Mtch FED-215M 0.711 2976 1.9-0 5R
Ramshot Magnum ***** 3.436 82.4 to 86.9gr Sierra 240gr Mtch WLRMP 0.711 2889 to 2909 1.9-0 5R
H-1000 81.5 to 81.7gr Sierra 240gr Mtch FED-215M 0.711 2875
OAL 3.436
220gr Sierra Loads
Ramshot Magnum 92 deg 3.463 89.0 to 91.0 Sierra 220gr Mtch WLRMP 0.629 3125 Excellent 1.9-0 5R
H-1000 92 deg 3.463 86.3 Sierra 220gr Mtch FED-215M 0.629 3003
RL-22 92 deg 3.463 78.7 Sierra 220gr Mtch FED-215M 0.629 2987
300 Norma Mag
Here are some loads and lengths for the Sierra 220 and 240gr M.T.C.H
Brass Trim Length Min 2.492 to Max 2.502
REM 700
26.0 BBL
Broughton 5C 1.9-0 *
RockCreek 5R 1.9-0 To 1.9-3
26.0 BBL
240gr loads
Powder:
N-560 ********* accurate 3.436 80.0 to 81.0gr Seirra 240gr Mtch FED-215M 0.711 2976 1.9-0 5R
Ramshot Magnum ***** 3.436 82.4 to 86.9gr Sierra 240gr Mtch WLRMP 0.711 2889 to 2909 1.9-0 5R
H-1000 81.5 to 81.7gr Sierra 240gr Mtch FED-215M 0.711 2875
OAL 3.436
220gr Sierra Loads
Ramshot Magnum 92 deg 3.463 89.0 to 91.0 Sierra 220gr Mtch WLRMP 0.629 3125 Excellent 1.9-0 5R
H-1000 92 deg 3.463 86.3 Sierra 220gr Mtch FED-215M 0.629 3003
RL-22 92 deg 3.463 78.7 Sierra 220gr Mtch FED-215M 0.629 2987
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
Who is this Francis "The Animal".............Nevermind
Who is this Francis "The Animal".............Nevermind
Re: 300 norma vs 338 norma
I use my guns for deer and elk hunting in addition of LR/ELR shooting - they have to earn their keep! So my vote goes to the 338 NM. But that 300 NM looks awfully tempting.
I use my guns for deer and elk hunting in addition of LR/ELR shooting - they have to earn their keep! So my vote goes to the 338 NM. But that 300 NM looks awfully tempting.
Since this is an older thread..you guys should know..what kind of barrel life can you get with the 300 Norma?
If you're going to be shooting a cartridge that costs 4 bucks per trigger pull, I wouldn't think that barrel life is a concern.
Just factor in the cost when buying a rifle such as this
Just factor in the cost when buying a rifle such as this
Build one gun and have both cartridges done w 2 separate barrels. Simple. I plan to do a 300 necked to 7mm in one barrel and a 338 Lapua in a different barrel using the same stock, action, sight system and action. I love the switchbarrel concept.
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