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I shoot both the 168 and 190 VLD over 4831SC. I have not shot the 185 yet. I load 70 grains with the 168 and 65 grains with the 190. This is a custom chamber in a Krieger barrel, so your rifle may like something else. I show no pressure signs and cases last about as long as I would expect them to. I use the Federal 210M primer. Lightman