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Find the Projo's and roll your own ....
This site will get you started >
http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com/
Find the Projo's and roll your own ....
This site will get you started >
http://www.sabotreloadingpro.com/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Manzgear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is a site in Europe that sells the armor piercing ammo for handguns and they have some glock upgrades or should I say wildcat parts to change the caliber of your pistol to accommodate their new calibers of armor piercing ammo.
http://www.fsdip.com/website/ </div></div>
Link don't work !!! dammit !!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Manzgear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is a site in Europe that sells the armor piercing ammo for handguns and they have some glock upgrades or should I say wildcat parts to change the caliber of your pistol to accommodate their new calibers of armor piercing ammo.
http://www.fsdip.com/website/ </div></div>
Link don't work !!! dammit !!!
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Oh man I'd love to cook up some of these in 338LM!
Oh man I'd love to cook up some of these in 338LM!
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Holy smokes I didn't know how expensive those are!
Holy smokes I didn't know how expensive those are!
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These are not recommended for use in suppressor or muzzle break for those wanting to roll your own. Just a heads up.
These are not recommended for use in suppressor or muzzle break for those wanting to roll your own. Just a heads up.
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Never seen these before, I want one just have. Ha
Never seen these before, I want one just have. Ha
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For some odd reason, I suddenly got an itch to look into this topic.
Twisted .308, thanks for that link to Sabot Reloading Pro... definitely helpful!
A question, though, in case someone here on the 'Hide as experience or knowledge of such things...
Most of the sabot setups I see commonly referenced are for .224 cal bullets in .30 cal cartridges... which usually means ~55gr-ish projectiles. All well and good for hi-velocity 'splat' factor, but what if a person wanted to run say, 80-90gn projectiles, which normally require a somewhat faster twist rate (1-7, 1-8 tw, depending on MV) than commonly found in most .30 cal rifle barrels (usually 1-10 to 1-12 tw). Even 69gn .224 cal bullets generally need at least a 1-9 tw, although if the velocities are high enough it might theoretically work in a 1-10tw... maybe? What about sabot jackets to fire a .224 projectile from a fast twist (1-8 tw) 6.5mm cartridge such as a 6.5x55 Swede or .260 Rem?
Any thoughts on this, or links to where I might find more info on the topic?
TIA,
Monte
For some odd reason, I suddenly got an itch to look into this topic.
Twisted .308, thanks for that link to Sabot Reloading Pro... definitely helpful!
A question, though, in case someone here on the 'Hide as experience or knowledge of such things...
Most of the sabot setups I see commonly referenced are for .224 cal bullets in .30 cal cartridges... which usually means ~55gr-ish projectiles. All well and good for hi-velocity 'splat' factor, but what if a person wanted to run say, 80-90gn projectiles, which normally require a somewhat faster twist rate (1-7, 1-8 tw, depending on MV) than commonly found in most .30 cal rifle barrels (usually 1-10 to 1-12 tw). Even 69gn .224 cal bullets generally need at least a 1-9 tw, although if the velocities are high enough it might theoretically work in a 1-10tw... maybe? What about sabot jackets to fire a .224 projectile from a fast twist (1-8 tw) 6.5mm cartridge such as a 6.5x55 Swede or .260 Rem?
Any thoughts on this, or links to where I might find more info on the topic?
TIA,
Monte
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sabot
sabot
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I worked up some sabot rounds in 300 WM. Used the sabots from EA Brown and 55 grain Vmax because the flat base fit well in the sabot. 223 type powders like H335 are a good place to start. Got to 5008 fps with AA2230 but it was a little too hot. Primer was ugly and the bolt started to stick. Best all around was IMR 3031 pushing them to about 4800 fps. Accuracy was pretty bad, 3-5 MOA. Hits sage rats like something from star wars, nothing of left of them bigger than a quarter. The fireball of unburnt powder is pretty spectacular at night. Fun project but not very useful.
I worked up some sabot rounds in 300 WM. Used the sabots from EA Brown and 55 grain Vmax because the flat base fit well in the sabot. 223 type powders like H335 are a good place to start. Got to 5008 fps with AA2230 but it was a little too hot. Primer was ugly and the bolt started to stick. Best all around was IMR 3031 pushing them to about 4800 fps. Accuracy was pretty bad, 3-5 MOA. Hits sage rats like something from star wars, nothing of left of them bigger than a quarter. The fireball of unburnt powder is pretty spectacular at night. Fun project but not very useful.
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Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is?
Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is? </div></div>
Anti-armor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is? </div></div>
Anti-armor.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is? </div></div>
Anti-armor. </div></div>
When I was in Iraq it was rare (but not un heard of) for the baddies to have body Armor.
It would seem to ME (I'm not expert) to at least give your people standard ammo as well as the SLAP. Even if they can get it to shoot MOA the standard round I would imagine would have better accuracy and terminal affect down range.
BTW I really enjoy your youtube channel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Loved your post on the Sabo's. I wonder what is the rational behind using sabo in a .30 cal exclusively is? </div></div>
Anti-armor. </div></div>
When I was in Iraq it was rare (but not un heard of) for the baddies to have body Armor.
It would seem to ME (I'm not expert) to at least give your people standard ammo as well as the SLAP. Even if they can get it to shoot MOA the standard round I would imagine would have better accuracy and terminal affect down range.
BTW I really enjoy your youtube channel.
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I don't believe small arms saboted ammo was ever looked at as a viable alternative to standard ammo.
I was simply commenting on the intended purpose. If Hadji is wearing armor that can defeat a standard .30 cal, then the answer is use a 155mm.
Or shoot them in the face.
I don't believe small arms saboted ammo was ever looked at as a viable alternative to standard ammo.
I was simply commenting on the intended purpose. If Hadji is wearing armor that can defeat a standard .30 cal, then the answer is use a 155mm.
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The SLAP round wasn't intended for body armor but rather Armor, as in APC, tanks, etc. When tungsten hits an object it continues to shred into smaller sharper pieces of tungsten until there is nothing left. A volley of these out of an M60 would be nasty. I read a story about a sniper in the first Gulf War using the .50 cal version and it stopped an Iraq APC with one shot and scared the men in the second APC into surrendering. You can find SLAP rounds on gun broker I haven't seen them anywhere else. Whatever is out there in the US is it since they don't make it in .308 anymore. I thought this thread died out, the Mk211 raufoss round I cut open did and it was way more bad ass looking.
I also haven't gotten around to reloading them. The two I fired were a small pop I actually thought they were squibs until I waited and pulled the bolt open. They didn't have much ass so I think the powder is bad.
The SLAP round wasn't intended for body armor but rather Armor, as in APC, tanks, etc. When tungsten hits an object it continues to shred into smaller sharper pieces of tungsten until there is nothing left. A volley of these out of an M60 would be nasty. I read a story about a sniper in the first Gulf War using the .50 cal version and it stopped an Iraq APC with one shot and scared the men in the second APC into surrendering. You can find SLAP rounds on gun broker I haven't seen them anywhere else. Whatever is out there in the US is it since they don't make it in .308 anymore. I thought this thread died out, the Mk211 raufoss round I cut open did and it was way more bad ass looking.
I also haven't gotten around to reloading them. The two I fired were a small pop I actually thought they were squibs until I waited and pulled the bolt open. They didn't have much ass so I think the powder is bad.
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That round just looks like it would ruin your day. I am very glad **not** to be on the wrong end of those...
That round just looks like it would ruin your day. I am very glad **not** to be on the wrong end of those...
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That's pretty cool.
That's pretty cool.
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thats interesting, thanks for showing
thats interesting, thanks for showing
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Thanks for sharing that, hell of a read.
Thanks for sharing that, hell of a read.
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Deadly
Deadly
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I heard the reason these went away where the mob used them when doing hits. No part of the bullet touches the lands. So you can't match bullet to given gun lands..
I heard the reason these went away where the mob used them when doing hits. No part of the bullet touches the lands. So you can't match bullet to given gun lands..
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What kind of accuracy are these capable of?
What kind of accuracy are these capable of?
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The accuracy I had when playing with these was minute of small game, but nothing a precision shooter would have been thrilled with.
Somewhere else someone suggested that the twistrate might be having a significant impact for a round that's weight and size are completely different than it was designed for.
The idea of making your own penetrator is a cool idea though.
[img:center]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6137/6006548417_fd61144588_b.jpg[/img]
Onyx
The accuracy I had when playing with these was minute of small game, but nothing a precision shooter would have been thrilled with.
Somewhere else someone suggested that the twistrate might be having a significant impact for a round that's weight and size are completely different than it was designed for.
The idea of making your own penetrator is a cool idea though.
[img:center]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6137/6006548417_fd61144588_b.jpg[/img]
Onyx
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Awesome thread, I wonder what the penetration is with these compared to a .50?
Awesome thread, I wonder what the penetration is with these compared to a .50?
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there are still sabots available to stuff a .223 into a .30 cal
the type of .223 head is up to the loader.
don't try them with a brake on, it'll create it's own barrel / muzzle obstruction.
they used to make .30/30, .308, .3006 accelerators
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/220009/...point-box-of-20
http://www.ammo-one.com/RemingtonAccelators.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLfRrn2WHI
they are not that hard to load, you need a special die, and don't expect moa or sub moa accuracy from them.
http://www.eabco.com/remington-accelerator-sabots.html
http://www.eabco.com/Reports/report04.html load data for .223 "regular" bullets
there are still sabots available to stuff a .223 into a .30 cal
the type of .223 head is up to the loader.
don't try them with a brake on, it'll create it's own barrel / muzzle obstruction.
they used to make .30/30, .308, .3006 accelerators
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/220009/...point-box-of-20
http://www.ammo-one.com/RemingtonAccelators.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLfRrn2WHI
they are not that hard to load, you need a special die, and don't expect moa or sub moa accuracy from them.
http://www.eabco.com/remington-accelerator-sabots.html
http://www.eabco.com/Reports/report04.html load data for .223 "regular" bullets
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I don't know if I still have it or not but I used to have a the 30cal tungsten core from a 50cal penetrator that I picked up on the range at Lake City. *I wonder where that thing went?* I'd always assumed that it once had some kind of jacket, but if I recall it did look like a honkin' heavy boat tail bullet. I guess it could have been a sabot.
It made a great center punch, nothing in my garage was harder that's for sure.
I don't know if I still have it or not but I used to have a the 30cal tungsten core from a 50cal penetrator that I picked up on the range at Lake City. *I wonder where that thing went?* I'd always assumed that it once had some kind of jacket, but if I recall it did look like a honkin' heavy boat tail bullet. I guess it could have been a sabot.
It made a great center punch, nothing in my garage was harder that's for sure.
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Gotta have some!
Gotta have some!
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My grandpa had a couple of these from back when....I never shot them, but pretty cool to have
My grandpa had a couple of these from back when....I never shot them, but pretty cool to have
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interesting..4k fps is crazy!
interesting..4k fps is crazy!
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