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4 Minneapolis officers fired in death of black man after video shows officer pinning knee against his neck

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Ok. So this cop restrained this guy far too long and killed him. I get the rioting at the police station. I get the peaceful protests. But what in the fuck gives these animals the right to go in businesses that had NOTHING to do with the incident and rape and pillage? And some of you fuckers wonder why some “people” are looked at in a bad light? Take off your fucking blinders. They aren’t the same, never will be, no matter how much you try to put them on a pedestal! No matter how much you lower the standards so they can get a fair shake. Call a spade a fucking spade!!! What happened to him was terrible, but they sure as fuck aren’t helping the situation. Want equality??? Act like a fucking equal!!!
I think you're missing the part about this whole country being a tinder box. People who are pissed at the system will react in many different ways, depending on same. Now take pissed off people an show them a video of the enforcers of the system that has pissed them off, fucking over people an what your seeing is the result of same. Remember they see everything as the system, hence why they don't have issue burning everything down.
This is what this country is coming to,... but not just isolated liberal shit holes. You can thank obummer for this but all who have sat at that desk for the last 80 years have helped to bring it to this point. Why, because people are soft an like free shit vs doing the right thing or working for something. Most people vote for their wallet, not whats right in the long run.
 
I think you're missing the part about this whole country being a tinder box. People who are pissed at the system will react in many different ways, depending on same. Now take pissed off people an show them a video of the enforcers of the system that has pissed them off, fucking over people an what your seeing is the result of same. Remember they see everything as the system, hence why they don't have issue burning everything down.
This is what this country is coming to,... but not just isolated liberal shit holes. You can thank obummer for this but all who have sat at that desk for the last 80 years have helped to bring it to this point. Why, because people are soft an like free shit vs doing the right thing or working for something. Most people vote for their wallet, not whats right in the long run.

Burn it down, with the exception of a few big screen tv’s...
 
Well it looks like they burned a lot of buildings including an apartment building. They shot a store owner defending his place and some rioters got shot. I'm hearing a mob tried breaching Mall of America which is in a suburb south of that chaos.
 
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I think you're missing the part about this whole country being a tinder box. People who are pissed at the system will react in many different ways, depending on same. Now take pissed off people an show them a video of the enforcers of the system that has pissed them off, fucking over people an what your seeing is the result of same. Remember they see everything as the system, hence why they don't have issue burning everything down.
This is what this country is coming to,... but not just isolated liberal shit holes. You can thank obummer for this but all who have sat at that desk for the last 80 years have helped to bring it to this point. Why, because people are soft an like free shit vs doing the right thing or working for something. Most people vote for their wallet, not whats right in the long run.

The system that feeds them. If they don’t like it why don’t they go burn down the office that issues ebt cards?
 
The system that feeds them. If they don’t like it why don’t they go burn down the office that issues ebt cards?
Because they are not that stupid,...they see big chain stores as part of the system. Then you add folks in the crowd who may have issues with a person that runs/owns a joint an they get what they feel as payback during,... all this is natural. Just wait until it goes national, an folks like us start down our list. Now before you say you don't have one, think long an hard,... because I do not know a single person that does not.
 
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Do you really think they give a shit about the guy that was killed? I don’t think the majority of them do. I think this is a hall pass for them to exhibit typical behavior without repercussions. Run amuck without going to jail. There’s no fixing that. That’s just the way they are.
 
Why don't the looters join the force and change it? Because that would require actual thought. Looting is easier.

The current evidence says this was flat out murder, burning stores only weakens their point. From their point of view anyone who is against looting is for murder. Will the jury remember the murder or the looting more?

If this dead guy were white, we likely would never know about it.

There is something really strange about this whole affair. That cop knew he was being filmed and did not seem concerned.
 
Why don't the looters join the force and change it? Because that would require actual thought. Looting is easier.

The current evidence says this was flat out murder, burning stores only weakens their point. From their point of view anyone who is against looting is for murder. Will the jury remember the murder or the looting more?

If this dead guy were white, we likely would never know about it.

There is something really strange about this whole affair. That cop knew he was being filmed and did not seem concerned.

As for the cop, people do dumb shit all the time. Many times on camera. Let’s not let our imaginations make it more than it is. In his mind he was likely either doing the right thing or getting even. It’s simple as that most of the time. Very bad decision he’s going to pay for the rest of his life and rightfully so.

For the criminals (yep, criminals) looting and destroying shit......there’s a percentage of the population who are always looking for a reason to justify their criminal actions. An entire civil rights movement was done mostly peacefully (on the protesters side). This could also be done peacefully.

Another product of our soft society. People don’t learn proper conflict management. Now when something doesn’t go their way they jump straight to anger level 10 instead of attempting to solve the issue diplomatically. This goes for both the left and right side of the aisle.
 



So "justice for George Floyd" is a rubber sex dummy you stole from a porn store? Or was it burning down the Auto Zone? Did a rebuilt starter set this off or was it the core charge that was racist?

Since the police killed George Floyd, young black men have murdered 40 other young black men in America and no one cares in the least,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,especially MSNBC or race baiters in the media.

I'll still wait for the rest of the body camera footage to be released. The media forgot to mention Mike Brown was a violent criminal who just, minutes before, robbed a store and that he was attacking a policeman inside of a police car for the "Hands up don't shoot" hoax. Why does anyone here trust the media to edit this honestly? Whipping this into a nationwide frenzy is the only way to keep idiots distracted from Biden rapes and the Corona hoax.

It looks bad and it was probably illegal and it will probably be manslaughter( if not 2nd degree murder) in the end, but what set it off. Did this guy start fighting or spitting covid-19 at the cops every time they let him up or what? Anytime the lame stream media starts hyping a story, they always leave out the facts and they have been trying to whip up a race bait drama for months.
 
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There is something really strange about this whole affair. That cop knew he was being filmed and did not seem concerned.

IMO, the cop kept his knee in the back of his neck for one reason, to show, not just the perp, but the crowd, that he was in charge. He was not going to let the crowd tell him how to do his job. He was going to remain in control no matter what, and it cost one man his life. Again, I'm not a LEO, but that's just my opinion.
 
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This is also a very important lesson for those in LE both new and old.

Looking out for your partners isn’t just when they are getting their ass kicked. I don’t know this officer, he could be an evil person. Or he could be someone who made a really stupid decision based on pride or some sort of self imposed power. I have no idea.

But, a simple tap on the shoulder from one of the other officers there would have likely prevented all of this. Just a tap on the shoulder and a “hey man, he looks under control, we’ll take over for a min and give you a break.”

Sure, his pride might be hurt as he feels like you’re telling him how to do his job, but he’ll get over it. And he wouldn’t have killed someone and set off all kinds of shit storms.

It’s very easy to get caught up in the moment and temper get the best of you. But it using only takes a tap on the shoulder and it’s a nothing burger vs what this has turned into.
 
If we can only get the Blacks to back 2A there would be no gun control, they seem to be the only body of people who take it to the streets when an injustice occurs.
 
Really dude? That’s your takeaway?
You realize that we live each day only one agreement away from an opinion (bill) becoming a law right?

Even if homeboy was just secured after killing ten kids, there’s zero excuse. This is a straight up failure on the recruitment, selection, training, and leadership of the department. Incompetent assholes like this only further the divide and distrust between law enforcement agencies and their communities.


It LOOKS bad. Anyone interested in the rest of the story, or are you content with self-rightous pontificating? Warrants? Rap sheet? Dialog? Does anything else matter? Or do you just assume he was just another innocent, helpless, victim, pure as the wind-driven snow, again? Join the protests, by all means. Why do we need to go through this every time a black man dies? (trust me, I know). Now we have the predictable, opportunistic riots and looting, and coddling of the looters. Of course there's no excuse for police brutality, but sometimes you get what you give. Look up the story of Nathan Jerrell Edwards. How much play did that one get on MSM? None? It will once the family members figure out a way to sue the shooter.
 
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It LOOKS bad. Anyone interested in the rest of the story, or are you content with self-rightous pontificating? Warrants? Rap sheet? Dialog? Does anything else matter? Or do you just assume he was just another innocent, helpless, victim, pure as the wind-driven snow, again? Join the protests, by all means. Why do we need to go through this every time a black man dies? (trust me, I know). Now we have the predictable, opportunistic riots and looting, and coddling of the looters. Of course there's no excuse for police brutality, but sometimes you get what you give. Look up the story of Nathan Jerrell Edwards. How much play did that one get on MSM? None? It will once the family members figure out a way to sue the shooter.

Doesn’t matter AT ALL.

This isn’t one of those filmed from the wrong angle.

The guy is zero threat. None, nada, zero, zilch. And if he was. There’s plenty of backup.

He could have just murdered 45 people. Doesn’t matter. He’s on the ground and not a threat.
 
It LOOKS bad. Anyone interested in the rest of the story, or are you content with self-rightous pontificating? Warrants? Rap sheet? Dialog? Does anything else matter? Or do you just assume he was just another innocent, helpless, victim, pure as the wind-driven snow, again? Join the protests, by all means. Why do we need to go through this every time a black man dies? (trust me, I know). Now we have the predictable, opportunistic riots and looting, and coddling of the looters. Of course there's no excuse for police brutality, but sometimes you get what you give. Look up the story of Nathan Jerrell Edwards. How much play did that one get on MSM? None? It will once the family members figure out a way to sue the shooter.
Dude, it doesn’t matter. As a professional, you have to be exactly that. What separates a professional from an amateur is the ability to control your emotions, have situational awareness, and be able to throttle up and down as dictated by the situation. When you act like an amateur, you put the lives of professionals at increased risk. This shit is inexcusable.
 
Because they are not that stupid,...they see big chain stores as part of the system. Then you add folks in the crowd who may have issues with a person that runs/owns a joint an they get what they feel as payback during,... all this is natural. Just wait until it goes national, an folks like us start down our list. Now before you say you don't have one, think long an hard,... because I do not know a single person that does not.
busted!
 
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This is also a very important lesson for those in LE both new and old.

Looking out for your partners isn’t just when they are getting their ass kicked. I don’t know this officer, he could be an evil person. Or he could be someone who made a really stupid decision based on pride or some sort of self imposed power. I have no idea.

But, a simple tap on the shoulder from one of the other officers there would have likely prevented all of this. Just a tap on the shoulder and a “hey man, he looks under control, we’ll take over for a min and give you a break.”

Sure, his pride might be hurt as he feels like you’re telling him how to do his job, but he’ll get over it. And he wouldn’t have killed someone and set off all kinds of shit storms.

It’s very easy to get caught up in the moment and temper get the best of you. But it using only takes a tap on the shoulder and it’s a nothing burger vs what this has turned into.

This is what keeps running through my mind. We don’t know the offending officer. Could of had a bad day, could have made a series of bad decisions, could have history with Floyd. We don’t know.

What we do know is that no officer stepped up. No one broke the chain of bad decisions. Officers distracted or fearful of the crowd? Not wanting to be told how to do their jobs by crowd? Just froze up?

Breaking the chain of bad decisions would likely have been as easy as turning and asking a simple question, a touch, a let me help you sit him up etc.

It did not happen and it’s now a hell of a mess.
 
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Doesn’t matter AT ALL.

This isn’t one of those filmed from the wrong angle.

The guy is zero threat. None, nada, zero, zilch. And if he was. There’s plenty of backup.

He could have just murdered 45 people. Doesn’t matter. He’s on the ground and not a threat.
Doesn't/shouldn't matter in the legal outcome, but it may matter to uninvolved individuals looking at this.
 
So I'm seeing these looting pictures. I understand, don't approve though, of the trashing of the police department stuff. Granted, most don't pay taxes so they don't get this comes from somebody's wallet. But the other stores I just never understand. That's in "your neighborhood." Why destroy stuff that benefits "you?" Just wasteful and STUPID!!!! Go march in the street, peacefully. Leave the place better...oh...wait...wrong protest...that was in Virginia.

While I'm quite sympathetic to this fellow getting killed, I have zero tolerance for the kind of BS going on now. If it were my store, I'd not reopen and find a better area to do business if possible. These lowlifes are just rioting to riot, they have no real interest in helping enact serious reform and justice under the law. All the rioters/looters are doing is reinforcing why sometimes the Po-Po gets heavy handed on arrests - who could blame them when you see this crap going on!!!
 
This is what keeps running through my mind. We don’t know the offending officer. Could of had a bad day, could have made a series of bad decisions, could have history with Floyd. We don’t know.

What we do know is that no officer stepped up. No one broke the chain of bad decisions. Officers distracted or fearful of the crowd? Not wanting to be told how to do their jobs by crowd? Just froze up?

Breaking the chain of bad decisions would likely have been as simply as turning and asking a simple question, a touch, a let me help you sit him up etc.

It did not happen and it’s now a hell of a mess.


LEO’s are trained (for good reason) to always be the one in charge. When you lose control is likely when you end up hurt or dead.

Along with that comes a stigma of a courtesy that when you arrive on scene or another LEO is in control of something or someone, you don’t step on his toes. Especially in front of people. It can undermine and lead to a situation deteriorating. If you don’t approve of something, you take it up with that LEO afterwards. This is all well and good *most* of the time. But you have to know when it’s not appropriate. If I had to *guess* that’s likely why the other officers didn’t step in.

Now, I’m not defending them at all. Just offering a possible mindset of the other officers. They applied what may have been the right mindset in a different situation in the wrong situation.

It’s kind of like parenting. You don’t undermine your co-parent/spouse in front of the children as it sets a bad precedent. But you should if the other parent is taking things a bit too far.
 
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Arrest and charge the officers involved because of the evidence, not public opinion. Riots/looting = shitbirds will be shitbirds. No rooftop Koreans in Mn?
 
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Seeing the rioting and looting in Minneapolis now.....when found white folk get ti riot? We had a black individual shoot through a door and kill a local officer here in Grand Forks. Officer was a husband and a father to a few children....officer was 28 and a marine vet (I believe).

So when do we get to burn things down and loot? Figure the cabellas would be a good starting point. Or how do we determine where we are to loot and act like animals?
 
ETA: Shit... They just doxxed them on Twitter. Holy shit, these mofo's just put their own families in danger for this clusterfuck...

play stupid games........win stupid prizes......
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Just downright wrong, innocent people are put in danger and are mistreated because of something that they had zero involvement with. The doxxers should be imprisoned as well.
 
Seeing the rioting and looting in Minneapolis now.....when found white folk get ti riot? We had a black individual shoot through a door and kill a local officer here in Grand Forks. Officer was a husband and a father to a few children....officer was 28 and a marine vet (I believe).

So when do we get to burn things down and loot? Figure the cabellas would be a good starting point. Or how do we determine where we are to loot and act like animals?

FYI, there’s white people looting in those videos as well. There’s shitbags in all races.
 
Another product of our soft society. People don’t learn proper conflict management. Now when something doesn’t go their way they jump straight to anger level 10 instead of attempting to solve the issue diplomatically. This goes for both the left and right side of the aisle.

I don't think there is much hope of things trending towards the more peaceful, more negotiated, less emotional side anytime soon.
If anything, I think the average folks, are if anything getting more and more willing / ready for violent action.
If you think it's bad now, wait till the effects of the government murdering the economy really kick in and the "free" government money runs out.

It is to a great extent a direct consequence of many people on all sides of the issue being pretty certain that asking nicely, using reasoned arguments, begging for your rights, trying to get justice in the courts, trying to hold "public servants" or "politicians" personally accountable in any way for their actions is worse than useless. Folks have come to understand if you think you are being oppressed or your rights are being violated by the "just following orders" types and "the king's men", it's either you get justice on the street there and then or you never get any justice.

Recent peaceful protests wound up with the politicians giving exactly 0 fucks about it and doing what they wanted anyways, and in many case the police continuing doing what they were doing or going after the peaceful protesters. It's only been when the anger starts boiling over and either gets to full on violence or enough serious threats of violence, that anyone in power seems to care.

People have tried getting justice in the courts for police actions that left people dead or seriously injured or being robbed of a huge chunk of their lives, and the overwhelming public knowledge is that the police will almost always get away with it if you are peaceful and try getting your day in court (which may take years and near bankrupt you just to get to that point).

People also grow tired of having to go to the courts and spend years and tons of money to get the courts to tell the politicians / police that what they are doing is wrong, unconstitutional, unlawful and please, pretty please stop if you don't mind.... but no need to compensate anyone for all the evil you did.
(And if you want to argue this, let's pull out the court cases and rulings there is piles of them)

The only thing that actually seems to get results is going straight to enough violence as a big enough mob to make the politicians scared enough to stop doing whatever is causing the outrage. The politicians are more than happy to let police get away with killing people unless it causes a public revolt.
People got tired of pointless talk and pointless attempts at getting justice in the courts.

This whole business of the "Just following orders" types aggressively enforcing the dictates of the local tyrants to murder the economy, drive small business bankrupt (while letting Walmart and other mega corporations get all the money) and imprison people in their homes for no good reason and in some cases actions that defy all logic (like arresting people for being in a boat away from everyone, or on the beach, or way out in the wilderness, or ticketing folks for being in their cars for a drive in church service instead of all crowding into a Walmart) has only stoked the pressure and hatred and desire to go on a rampage, so that the moderates who would normally act as a bit of a buffer are just like... let's let it burn.

In short this whole country pretty much is waiting for an excuse to tear each other apart.
 
It LOOKS bad. Anyone interested in the rest of the story, or are you content with self-rightous pontificating? Warrants? Rap sheet? Dialog? Does anything else matter? Or do you just assume he was just another innocent, helpless, victim, pure as the wind-driven snow, again? Join the protests, by all means. Why do we need to go through this every time a black man dies? (trust me, I know). Now we have the predictable, opportunistic riots and looting, and coddling of the looters. Of course there's no excuse for police brutality, but sometimes you get what you give. Look up the story of Nathan Jerrell Edwards. How much play did that one get on MSM? None? It will once the family members figure out a way to sue the shooter.
No one said he is a saint, He is harmless and already on the ground, I think force should be applied only when needed, I bet he could be arrest without being killed/dead, If he was simply handcuffed and sent to the precinct, There wouldn't have been an issue.
 
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I don't think there is much hope of things trending towards the more peaceful, more negotiated, less emotional side anytime soon.
If anything, I think the average folks, are if anything getting more and more willing / ready for violent action.
If you think it's bad now, wait till the effects of the government murdering the economy really kick in and the "free" government money runs out.

It is to a great extent a direct consequence of many people on all sides of the issue being pretty certain that asking nicely, using reasoned arguments, begging for your rights, trying to get justice in the courts, trying to hold "public servants" or "politicians" personally accountable in any way for their actions is worse than useless. Folks have come to understand if you think you are being oppressed or your rights are being violated by the "just following orders" types and "the king's men", it's either you get justice on the street there and then or you never get any justice.

Recent peaceful protests wound up with the politicians giving exactly 0 fucks about it and doing what they wanted anyways, and in many case the police continuing doing what they were doing or going after the peaceful protesters. It's only been when the anger starts boiling over and either gets to full on violence or enough serious threats of violence, that anyone in power seems to care.

People have tried getting justice in the courts for police actions that left people dead or seriously injured or being robbed of a huge chunk of their lives, and the overwhelming public knowledge is that the police will almost always get away with it if you are peaceful and try getting your day in court (which may take years and near bankrupt you just to get to that point).

People also grow tired of having to go to the courts and spend years and tons of money to get the courts to tell the politicians / police that what they are doing is wrong, unconstitutional, unlawful and please, pretty please stop if you don't mind.... but no need to compensate anyone for all the evil you did.
(And if you want to argue this, let's pull out the court cases and rulings there is piles of them)

The only thing that actually seems to get results is going straight to enough violence as a big enough mob to make the politicians scared enough to stop doing whatever is causing the outrage. The politicians are more than happy to let police get away with killing people unless it causes a public revolt.
People got tired of pointless talk and pointless attempts at getting justice in the courts.

This whole business of the "Just following orders" types aggressively enforcing the dictates of the local tyrants to murder the economy, drive small business bankrupt (while letting Walmart and other mega corporations get all the money) and imprison people in their homes for no good reason and in some cases actions that defy all logic (like arresting people for being in a boat away from everyone, or on the beach, or way out in the wilderness, or ticketing folks for being in their cars for a drive in church service instead of all crowding into a Walmart) has only stoked the pressure and hatred and desire to go on a rampage, so that the moderates who would normally act as a bit of a buffer are just like... let's let it burn.

In short this whole country pretty much is waiting for an excuse to tear each other apart.

Agree people are looking for an excuse. I generally disagree that it’s reasonable in most cases.
 
This is the damnedest Shit Sammich I have seen for a while and makes me real glad I live where I do.
The citizens in my town would not put up with the kind of activities going on up there.
The cops here would probably not care where the shot from afar came from when someone who was trying to burn down a local business, they would just be glad that the asshole's head just turned to pink mist. Kind of like a prairie dog.

I have watched that video several times and it does not show me enough about why they had the man on the ground to start with but does show me enough that I think the Officer? with his knee on his neck is guilty of murder and the others, standing around, are accomplices to murder because of no action from them when excessive force was being used for an extended period of time. I think the Police force there has some kind of edict or rule from around 2016 that covers that. I read that somewhere.

When they are under charges and incarcerated for this, let me know and I will take more interest.

Strangely, the hands in the pockets bothers me, by both the kneeler and the other Officer? in the video. Do they have their hands in there on some other weapon? or scratching their tiny nuts?

Many years ago, when I was in Basic Training, hands in your pockets was a sure sign of a Shitbird and you would do enough pushups to put Ft. Bliss, Texas under sea level.
 
I don't think there is much hope of things trending towards the more peaceful, more negotiated, less emotional side anytime soon.
If anything, I think the average folks, are if anything getting more and more willing / ready for violent action.
If you think it's bad now, wait till the effects of the government murdering the economy really kick in and the "free" government money runs out.

It is to a great extent a direct consequence of many people on all sides of the issue being pretty certain that asking nicely, using reasoned arguments, begging for your rights, trying to get justice in the courts, trying to hold "public servants" or "politicians" personally accountable in any way for their actions is worse than useless. Folks have come to understand if you think you are being oppressed or your rights are being violated by the "just following orders" types and "the king's men", it's either you get justice on the street there and then or you never get any justice.

Recent peaceful protests wound up with the politicians giving exactly 0 fucks about it and doing what they wanted anyways, and in many case the police continuing doing what they were doing or going after the peaceful protesters. It's only been when the anger starts boiling over and either gets to full on violence or enough serious threats of violence, that anyone in power seems to care.

People have tried getting justice in the courts for police actions that left people dead or seriously injured or being robbed of a huge chunk of their lives, and the overwhelming public knowledge is that the police will almost always get away with it if you are peaceful and try getting your day in court (which may take years and near bankrupt you just to get to that point).

People also grow tired of having to go to the courts and spend years and tons of money to get the courts to tell the politicians / police that what they are doing is wrong, unconstitutional, unlawful and please, pretty please stop if you don't mind.... but no need to compensate anyone for all the evil you did.
(And if you want to argue this, let's pull out the court cases and rulings there is piles of them)

The only thing that actually seems to get results is going straight to enough violence as a big enough mob to make the politicians scared enough to stop doing whatever is causing the outrage. The politicians are more than happy to let police get away with killing people unless it causes a public revolt.
People got tired of pointless talk and pointless attempts at getting justice in the courts.

This whole business of the "Just following orders" types aggressively enforcing the dictates of the local tyrants to murder the economy, drive small business bankrupt (while letting Walmart and other mega corporations get all the money) and imprison people in their homes for no good reason and in some cases actions that defy all logic (like arresting people for being in a boat away from everyone, or on the beach, or way out in the wilderness, or ticketing folks for being in their cars for a drive in church service instead of all crowding into a Walmart) has only stoked the pressure and hatred and desire to go on a rampage, so that the moderates who would normally act as a bit of a buffer are just like... let's let it burn.

In short this whole country pretty much is waiting for an excuse to tear each other apart.
I agree with every word and felt it was worth quoting again. Peaceful protests mean dick unfortunately. Politicians need to be fearful.

As for Minneapolis is concerned, I was understanding when they tore up police cars and broke windows. I'm sure those officers were scared enough that the point made it across without any of them suffering harm. Once the protestors started looting and damaging private property and then come back the second day and did worse, the cause was lost. Everyone says that the officers should police their own and they are right. Maybe the protesters should be held to that same standard. Chanting for justice while someone next to you is burning down privatively owned businesses is just as sick.
 
Some people live free, others just think they do. The latter is even afraid to the point, they don't have the nerve to speak the truth or their mind. They would rather go thru life cowed, because they think those that stood up for this nation an freedom were stupid. That simple fact seems to be gathering traction with the sheep, more an more everyday.
Freedom,... to keep it you must exercise it, or they will be taken from you by default. Easy to give up what you never stood/fought/bleed for. Number Quota people are interesting until someone plays a trump card, an outs their whole game,...
 
LEO’s are trained (for good reason) to always be the one in charge. When you lose control is likely when you end up hurt or dead.

Along with that comes a stigma of a courtesy that when you arrive on scene or another LEO is in control of something or someone, you don’t step on his toes. Especially in front of people. It can undermine and lead to a situation deteriorating. If you don’t approve of something, you take it up with that LEO afterwards. This is all well and good *most* of the time. But you have to know when it’s not appropriate. If I had to *guess* that’s likely why the other officers didn’t step in.

Now, I’m not defending them at all. Just offering a possible mindset of the other officers. They applied what may have been the right mindset in a different situation in the wrong situation.

It’s kind of like parenting. You don’t undermine your co-parent/spouse in front of the children as it sets a bad precedent. But you should if the other parent is taking things a bit too far.

Good balance that is useful for this conversation and the practicality of it is fair.

The challenge I have is a departmental policy, written or unwritten, should not lead officers to make these sorts of field decisions. It should be an easy decision to step in where the law is broken. Just because you have a badge does not mean you are above the law.

Granted, people spin off axis for many reasons and perhaps that is the case with "knee on throat" guy. There are 4 LEO's there that could have done something differently that would have changed the outcome yet none did. If the department has a strong internal and material bias of supporting the Constitution, laws of the state and county(essentially protecting the rights of the citizen) then one of them should have felt empowered, if not compelled, to step in. And, again, they did not. As a result, while backing a fellow LEO is generally good in the field, for all the reasons you mention, these officers actions have made the entire department look bad. And,incorrectly, many softheads will say all LEO's in the nation.

As I had mentioned before, while we all should be responsible for our own actions, either these were the only four bad cops in the dept or its part of the departments culture. It would be misguided if the investigation did not include the departmental leaders. Especially to the Chief and those that appointed him.
 
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Once the protestors started looting and damaging private property and then come back the second day and did worse, the cause was lost. Everyone says that the officers should police their own and they are right. Maybe the protesters should be held to that same standard. Chanting for justice while someone next to you is burning down privatively owned businesses is just as sick.

And that is why things never change.

You become a pack of looting thugs, the message you wanted to say goes out the window and all that happens is more calls for more police heavy handed control which then makes sure the next one will happen and the offense / riot / looting / clampdown cycle repeats.

It's almost like a whole group of the public are more concerned with getting "free" TVs and shoes than their children growing up being treated with decency...
 
79jeepcj5 You might be right. I did watch it again several times and do see hands in pocket or duty belt ready for the next attack but do see hands in pockets for whatever reason. What is that reason? I would think, now that you pointed that out, that is getting ready for the next attack but maybe not.

Waiting for the Perp Walk into jail and doubt I will see it but do think it fitting.
 
So I'm seeing these looting pictures. I understand, don't approve though, of the trashing of the police department stuff. Granted, most don't pay taxes so they don't get this comes from somebody's wallet. But the other stores I just never understand. That's in "your neighborhood." Why destroy stuff that benefits "you?" Just wasteful and STUPID!!!! Go march in the street, peacefully. Leave the place better...oh...wait...wrong protest...that was in Virginia.

While I'm quite sympathetic to this fellow getting killed, I have zero tolerance for the kind of BS going on now. If it were my store, I'd not reopen and find a better area to do business if possible. These lowlifes are just rioting to riot, they have no real interest in helping enact serious reform and justice under the law. All the rioters/looters are doing is reinforcing why sometimes the Po-Po gets heavy handed on arrests - who could blame them when you see this crap going on!!!
I hate theft.....but the chaos is what sinks it in to those holding the reigns! Nobody wants a shit storm in their backyard! It takes a community to create the community....

Whats the alternative? Hold a VA rally that accomplishes fucking nothing? The narrative is "police kill blacks".....they will keep burning, looting, and rioting until that changes. They got cameras on cops now, more than a dip shit rally accomplishes. I dont want the shit in my backyard and neither does any mayor. They will create change with the choas! I dont condone the looting, fires, etc, but I get it.

If it was my son, every asshole would pay, innocent or not.

I watched that video of the killing, and it pissed me off! My initial thoughts were evil. I get their anger....I felt it....and im a white midwest hick!

Its also easy to say the narrative is FUBAR, but im not black and my dealings with cops have never been those of a black person.

There is a problem with black/leo interactions and it needs fixed. 1/2 the problem lays in the lap of the culture/race, but the other half is supposed to be the adults! The adult side can easily be fixed...we are not going to change a culture.
 
So is being fired from your work a new thing for when you murder someone?

Cuz if it is, I can see the unemployment rate grow even more?

Oh wait, nvm, that's not the case. If some random folk murders someone, he still goes to jail. Cops though, they can do stuff like that and only get fired.

Seriously though, did these officers ONLY get fired or is there more to come? If I'm missing something, can somebody tell me?
The investigation is still going. Getting fired it step 1. Once the investigation is completed it will be turned over to the district attorney for prosecution. Even if charges aren't filed or the officers found not guilty, all the officers involved will have had their lives ruined.

Remember when the DA that was rather zealous against the cops in the Freddie Gray case in Baltimore? There was a rush to prosecution and the investigation ended up being a shit show due to political pressure and all officers got off the hook. We don't want that. We want a proper investigation which will lead to jail, not potentially guilty folks getting off on technicalities due to rushing, etc.
 
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In short this whole country pretty much is waiting for an excuse to tear each other apart.

It is being engineered.

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MORE FAKE NEWS: New York Times Admits Report on 26-Yr-Old E.R. Doctor Who Died from Coronavirus Was Completely Made Up

Back in April The New York Times Magazine ran a report on a brave 26-year-old Emergency Room doctor in New York City who contracted the coronavirus and later died.

Well, it was all hogwash.

The New York Times admitted this week the doctor didn’t die and didn’t have coronavirus.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/fake-news-new-york-times-admits-report-26-yr-old-e-r-doctor-died-coronavirus-completely-made/

At some point America is going to take off their N-95 mask of compliance start to ask critical questions like what is the purpose of lying about such a death? Why is the news fear porn? We need to collectively connect the dots. Collectively we are going to learn that HRC cheated Berny and tried to steal the election, Barry ordered the surveillance on Trump and others, and has been doing so via elements of the CIA back to at least 2012, if not from the day he stepped into office. They are going to realize that there is a reason why HRC and Barry always have an Iranian adviser closest to them. There going to realize that 2 Paki intel guys have been running the comms for 1/2 of congress, using encrypted coms for illegal schemes. The hope is that what is coming goes beyond Barry.... which brings his background back into focus....who does Barry represent? Who does HRC represent? Why does a global planning architect from the 1960s that worked for Rockefeller, LBJ and Carter have a daughter that comes on TeeVee every night and lie to us? How long has this 'shaping of events' / shaping of society's understanding of events been going on? To what degree? For the benefit of whom - exactly?

"They" are going to manufacture and drive riots and FF events - HARD from here on out. Declassification related to Flynn, and the ensuing....watch yourself out there.
 
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Even if charges aren't filed or the officers found not guilty, all the officers involved will have had their lives ruined.

It would be a nice thought BUT...... I could point to several recent high profile cases where the officers involved were fired.....

Only to be quietly hired back once the public forgot about the case, given all their back pay (for the time they were supposedly fired, paid for by the taxpayers of course) and then allowed to file for taxpayer funded full retirement......

Plenty of others where the perps went back to working for another agency shortly afterwards.

Just like with regular criminals, usually there is a long history of wrongdoing before they get to the attention grabbing actions.

It's why nobody trusts "the law" or "the system" anymore.
 
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