6.5 Creedmoor

I'm gonna look up GRT or quickload or one of those programs. Seems like it would be very very useful. Thank you for looking it up.

Reason I asked, I just got back from shooting and had 3 pierced primers. My charge weight was 40 grains. I've been having trouble with this damn rifle. Before, I had mediocre groups. Today, I had a very acceptable 5 shot group but 3 pierced primers. Primers are Rem 9 1/2.



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For reference on the below pic. The other 6.5 CM fired cases had 130 hybrids with 40.5 grains. View attachment 8790258

Anybody else care to share some knowledge or tips on my precious post up there?

I suppose I can switch to Wolf LRM and back down the charge a bit more and test. I just happen to have more rem 9 1/2 primers so I wanted to stick with those.
 
I know Frank and Chris like the 100gr ELD-M, but the BC on that is terrible.

Some BC numbers:
100 eldm .385
107 smk .430
107 tmk .445
108 scenar .465
123 smk .510
123 scenar .527
123 eldm .493
130 eldm .554
130 smk .584
Frank wasn't talking about the 100 eldm. I saw Frank this weekend, they're talking about the 100gr eldm-vt. Only problem is the factory loads are over the prs speed limit in a 24" barrel. i.e. well over 3200.

It's the 100gr eldm-VT
G1 - .448
G7 - .266
I've loaded this bullet to 3150 in my 18" AR just playing with it.
 
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Frank wasn't talking about the 100 eldm. I saw Frank this weekend, they're talking about the 100gr eldm-vt. Only problem is the factory loads are over the prs speed limit in a 24" barrel. i.e. well over 3200.

It's the 100gr eldm-VT
G1 - .448
G7 - .266
I've loaded this bullet to 3150 in my 18" AR just playing with it.
That's an impressive BC for the weight.
I can definitely see how that bullet would be good for middle distance shooting.
 
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Anybody else care to share some knowledge or tips on my precious post up there?

I suppose I can switch to Wolf LRM and back down the charge a bit more and test. I just happen to have more rem 9 1/2 primers so I wanted to stick with those.

All of your 6.5 primers appear to have primer cratering. So either something in the rifle (load, fouling, tight neck fit in chamber, etc) is causing it or the primers are on the 'softer' side.

I can try to run a quick GRT if you have a fired h20 case volume handy- but at first blush, the speeds seem right for the charge weight, so I'd be checking the case/chamber fit and firing pin/firing pin hole fit.
 
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All of your 6.5 primers appear to have primer cratering. So either something in the rifle (load, fouling, tight neck fit in chamber, etc) is causing it or the primers are on the 'softer' side.

I can try to run a quick GRT if you have a fired h20 case volume handy- but at first blush, the speeds seem right for the charge weight, so I'd be checking the case/chamber fit and firing pin/firing pin hole fit.

So my primers always crater due to improper fitment of firing pin inside my bolt, I think. I believe I need to have my firing pin hole bushed. If I try shooting small rifle primers, it'll pierce them all, even on anemic loads from factory offerings.

Next time I go home, I'll be sure to get a measurement of h20 volume. I've never done this but I believe I just leave the spent primer in there, set the case on my scale, and measure how much water it'll take.

Per a previous comment, I'll also try to measure firing pin protrusion. These are standard rem 9 1/2 primers.

Next time I am home, I will also try Wolf large rifle magnum primers and evaluate.

I appreciate you trying to help.
 
I will say, I had previously removed my barrel for a complete clean and left it shiny bare metal. These firings were on that clean barrel, but I did fire 5 rounds with 130s first to foul it. Those did not pierce.

I also noticed my fired headspace measurement grew 1 thou from installing the barrel after cleaning it. Still, it would not close on a sized case with a layer of masking tape on the case head and it would close on one without tape.

Cases had been sized 2 thou less than fired dimension from before removing barrel. So technically they are now 3 thou under the new headspace.
 
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Try using CBTO instead of COAL? I have a load two separate rifles like with 140 MB but had to use CBTO since the projectile tips are pretty inconsistent (at least in the 200rds I shot). Probably won't explain your inconsistency but just a thought.
This. COAL controls only make the round fit in the mag. That is the least important factor in keeping reloading results safe and predictable.
 
I will say, I had previously removed my barrel for a complete clean and left it shiny bare metal. These firings were on that clean barrel, but I did fire 5 rounds with 130s first to foul it. Those did not pierce.

I also noticed my fired headspace measurement grew 1 thou from installing the barrel after cleaning it. Still, it would not close on a sized case with a layer of masking tape on the case head and it would close on one without tape.

Cases had been sized 2 thou less than fired dimension from before removing barrel. So technically they are now 3 thou under the new headspace.
If you are trying to validate your 0.002 setback, use scotch magic tape. It is gray and translucent and about 0.002 thick. Masking tape is thicker.
 
Frank wasn't talking about the 100 eldm. I saw Frank this weekend, they're talking about the 100gr eldm-vt. Only problem is the factory loads are over the prs speed limit in a 24" barrel. i.e. well over 3200.

It's the 100gr eldm-VT
G1 - .448
G7 - .266
I've loaded this bullet to 3150 in my 18" AR just playing with it.
Thinking some more about this, it's a shame it's on the -VT that has such a high BC, would make an awesome general purpose hunting bullet.

With the speed limitations for comp shooting I wonder if the 107-108gr bullets would be a better option.

I found some 108gr Scenars at home, I might try loading them in place of my 123 scenar load and see how they perform.