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6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

doubled

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Shooting Position : Prone w/ Bipod and rear bag.
Temperature : ~95
Wind : None to speak of
4 shot groups during load development

Virgin Lapua Cases, CCI #400 Primers and Varget powder as indicates in the Sharpie per picture pushing 140g A-Max bullets

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I had zero pressure signs at 37.6 but I don't feel comfortable pushing it much further... Anyone shooting much over 37.6? 37.3 seems to be the load that the rifle liked today.
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

I have some load data on Varget in 6.5L. Its at work and I will copy you on it later.

Do you have chrono data on these? That would help evaluation.

36.9 & 37.3 look like a node.
 
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I went back the following day and did more testing with 37.3 and it was holding less than .5 MOA out thru 400 yards. I am going to go back and stretch out a little more this weekend but I think i have found the load.

I forgot my chrono the first day, the battery the second day so I won't get chrono results until the next time i head out there.
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

I'm watching because I'm getting started on a 6.5x47 build and will be reloading for it. Looking for a point from which to deviate. OCW method? Also, seating depth, BBL length, and twist? Thanks. CJ
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesBailey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have some load data on Varget in 6.5L. Its at work and I will copy you on it later.
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On the pressure test I ran w/ Varget and 140gr in the 6.5L, I had it up to 38.6grs before I started to see pressure signs.

If 37.3gr has decent velocities (2800+), I would just go with that.
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm watching because I'm getting started on a 6.5x47 build and will be reloading for it. Looking for a point from which to deviate. OCW method? Also, seating depth, BBL length, and twist? Thanks. CJ </div></div>

If you haven't seen it, Zak Smith's stuff is a good starting point:

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek084.html
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

Measures 2.120 (hornady comparator insert 4-25) or 2.720 OAL.

2 more pictures, This is the best and worst of the latest 15 rounds I fired off. I will be taking velocity readings and shooting out to 500 with this load over the next week or so for more testing.

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Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

Been on 6mmBR and have seen that article. It was one of the reasons I decided on 6.5 Lapua. Don't want to get too far off the subject but would like a definition of OCW method. Doubled's results look promising. CJ
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Been on 6mmBR and have seen that article. It was one of the reasons I decided on 6.5 Lapua. Don't want to get too far off the subject but would like a definition of OCW method. Doubled's results look promising. CJ </div></div>

Here ya go
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http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrazyJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Doubled. Can you tell me about the gun. I'm still in the recipe development phase. Is your BBL 1:8? CJ </div></div>

Krieger 6.5 stainless #6 contour 1 in 8.5 twist barrel
 
Re: 6.5x47 OCW Test 8.5.2011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: doubled</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I went back the following day and did more testing with 37.3 and it was holding less than .5 MOA out thru 400 yards. I am going to go back and stretch out a little more this weekend but I think i have found the load.

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You may, or you may not have found THE load. I don't see enough evidence to suggest 37.3 grains is your OCW, especially since just a mere .3 grains above that scatters all to shit. Do you know where 37.4 and 37.5 impact?

In that size case, you need in the neighborhood of .4 grains above your OCW, and the same range below your OCW, that all shoot just like your OCW.

In other words, if you were to load 36.9, 37.0, 37.1, 37.2, 37.3, 37.4, 37.5, 37.6, and 37.7, albeit singularly, two of each, three of each, or five of each....ALL of them WILL group in the exact same point of impact with no unexplainable flyers.

You don't have that because 37.6 scatters, and I'm betting 37.5 and 37.7 scatter too......37.3 is NOT the winner simply because it groups nicest. It's the nut the blind squirrel found....no offense. If 37.3 is anything it's toward the upper end of the second to the last node. I'm thinking there's another one with more velocity.

You cannot say you kept going up with your R&D until you found the first sign of pressure, which is something I HAVE to know in a load workup. Someone here mentioned a test which determined 38.6 as being the pressure limit they found. It's my overall experience (going on 10 years now using Dan's methods) you will find a good useable node just shy of that pressure limit....so the upper end of the fastest OCW window will be right there close to but not yet at a sticky bolt or a flattened primer or a swelled pressure ring.

If I were you, and I was you wanting to say I found my true "OCW", then I'd go back to square one and start over. All is not lost though as you do know what some of it will do, but you need more evidentiary holes in the paper to prove it out.

I'd go back to 36.6 and work up in .2 grain increments (.1 grain increments won't kill you either) all the way up to the very first hint of pressure. It can be done easily with two or three shot groups of each charge weight, if you can shoot. Do that exactly so you have more data and you will see better what the harmonics are doing with your barrel.

My prediction is 36.6 and 36.7 will shoot similar to 36.9, the second to the last node is from there up to 37.4. 37.5 through 37.7 will scatter like 37.6 did. 37.8 will begin to settle down again, the center of your fastest OCW will between 37.8 and 38.5.....so 38.1, 38.2....ish?

Im betting heavy odds here.............