I am doing a 700-Tactical-AAC-SD Build and i am not sure which stock & magazine to get. The AICS stock comes with the detachable mag, and goes for about $860. The B&C Adjustable Medalist and the Surgeon Mag kit would cost about $800. The buget would be maxed-out with either one, but I could swing it. What are your thoughts on either of these set-ups? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
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I recently had to decide on which chassis I wanted to go with. I ended up going with the AICS. I also bought some viperskins for it. I love the chassis. My advise to you would be to try and get behind both of them and see what you like. I'm a little biased so I can't really tell you what to go with. Good luck with your search. Just in case you hadn't seen enough pics of the AICS's here is another!
I recently had to decide on which chassis I wanted to go with. I ended up going with the AICS. I also bought some viperskins for it. I love the chassis. My advise to you would be to try and get behind both of them and see what you like. I'm a little biased so I can't really tell you what to go with. Good luck with your search. Just in case you hadn't seen enough pics of the AICS's here is another!
Re: Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
The b&c will need to be inletted for the dbm, so add some 75-100 bucks on that route.
The b&c will need to be inletted for the dbm, so add some 75-100 bucks on that route.
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I like the AI. I tried the pistol grip Skins form AI. I do not care for them. But I also did like the bit of the B&C when I had one you. Like stated above. Find them if you can locally and see how they fit.
I like the AI. I tried the pistol grip Skins form AI. I do not care for them. But I also did like the bit of the B&C when I had one you. Like stated above. Find them if you can locally and see how they fit.
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Didn't you just start a thread asking about the B&C M40?
I would take the M40 over the A5 adjustable any day of the week for a field rifle. The A5 is great for a range rifle, but it is a heavy pig and the foreend is contoured like a 2x4.
B&C M40 230
quality stock pack 40-60
PTG bottom metal 129
http://shop.pacifictoolandgauge.com...in_description=1&keyword="Stealth"+Detach+Mag
inlet job 70
Total: about 470 to 490
As far as chassis go, you can save some coin with an XLR or McCree.
I chose the XLR, more because of aesthetics than function. Both work great, both made here in the US, both made by really stand up folks.
Didn't you just start a thread asking about the B&C M40?
I would take the M40 over the A5 adjustable any day of the week for a field rifle. The A5 is great for a range rifle, but it is a heavy pig and the foreend is contoured like a 2x4.
B&C M40 230
quality stock pack 40-60
PTG bottom metal 129
http://shop.pacifictoolandgauge.com...in_description=1&keyword="Stealth"+Detach+Mag
inlet job 70
Total: about 470 to 490
As far as chassis go, you can save some coin with an XLR or McCree.
I chose the XLR, more because of aesthetics than function. Both work great, both made here in the US, both made by really stand up folks.
Re: Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 6brshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The b&c will need to be inletted for the dbm, so add some 75-100 bucks on that route. </div></div>
no it doesn't. they have DBM kits out there that kit directly to a B&C. Stockys typically carries them.
but if your getting a DBM then add around $250 to the cost of the B&C because a DBM runs around that depending on the model.
stock
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/bell-carlson-adjustable-tactical/Detail
drop in DBM
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-473/Wyatt's-Outdoor-Detachable-Magazine/Detail
so thats 700 out the door roughly.
im picking up a Mcrees chassis for my wifes Stevens 200 project.
they make a few different models and they are priced a tiny bit lower than the final cost of a B&C with DBM and a AI.
they also make a model where you can use your favorite AR buttock.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 6brshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The b&c will need to be inletted for the dbm, so add some 75-100 bucks on that route. </div></div>
no it doesn't. they have DBM kits out there that kit directly to a B&C. Stockys typically carries them.
but if your getting a DBM then add around $250 to the cost of the B&C because a DBM runs around that depending on the model.
stock
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-108/bell-carlson-adjustable-tactical/Detail
drop in DBM
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-473/Wyatt's-Outdoor-Detachable-Magazine/Detail
so thats 700 out the door roughly.
im picking up a Mcrees chassis for my wifes Stevens 200 project.
they make a few different models and they are priced a tiny bit lower than the final cost of a B&C with DBM and a AI.
they also make a model where you can use your favorite AR buttock.
Re: Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
That was my original plan. The B&C Adjustable with the Wyatt Drop-in mag. Total $700.
Then I began to read many posts about the unreliablity of the Wyatt.
So I thought of going to the B&C with the Surgeon or the Badger, hoping that Stockys had a pre-inletted B&C avaliable (I emailed them to check).
But then we are up to about $800. So then I started to look at the AICS for $850.
The problem is "TOO MANY CHOICES". You start out with a plan, then you throw the plan out the window, and now I am more confused then ever.
Any suggestions ????????????????????
That was my original plan. The B&C Adjustable with the Wyatt Drop-in mag. Total $700.
Then I began to read many posts about the unreliablity of the Wyatt.
So I thought of going to the B&C with the Surgeon or the Badger, hoping that Stockys had a pre-inletted B&C avaliable (I emailed them to check).
But then we are up to about $800. So then I started to look at the AICS for $850.
The problem is "TOO MANY CHOICES". You start out with a plan, then you throw the plan out the window, and now I am more confused then ever.
Any suggestions ????????????????????
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The PT&G works with AI mags, as does Hooper Ordnance, CDI and several others.
A Manners stock with mini-chassis is also a fine option.
The AICS is a very fine chassis, though not for everyone.
The McCree and XLR are both less expensive and lighter than the AICS, they are both rock solid systems.
The PT&G works with AI mags, as does Hooper Ordnance, CDI and several others.
A Manners stock with mini-chassis is also a fine option.
The AICS is a very fine chassis, though not for everyone.
The McCree and XLR are both less expensive and lighter than the AICS, they are both rock solid systems.
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Which one feels better?
If you haven't tried them, you need to before you choose.
Any stock is going to be more work than a chassis system. But depends on what feels better to you.
Which one feels better?
If you haven't tried them, you need to before you choose.
Any stock is going to be more work than a chassis system. But depends on what feels better to you.
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He asked about a surgeon dbm, they need the stock inletted just like a bo m5. The Mcree folder weighs the same as an aics 2.0, i have both. 5.5 ish lbs, the xlr non folder i have is 4.8 lb
He asked about a surgeon dbm, they need the stock inletted just like a bo m5. The Mcree folder weighs the same as an aics 2.0, i have both. 5.5 ish lbs, the xlr non folder i have is 4.8 lb
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The M5 system advertised in stocky's (it says AI mag compatible) is the PT&G bottom metal.
The Surgeon is a top notch system but overpriced IMHO.
The OP is correct, when buying a new stock and a DBM+inlet, you are at or near the price of an AICS.
The MCree non folder is on sale for 515 right now.
I don't think you could beat that.
The M5 system advertised in stocky's (it says AI mag compatible) is the PT&G bottom metal.
The Surgeon is a top notch system but overpriced IMHO.
The OP is correct, when buying a new stock and a DBM+inlet, you are at or near the price of an AICS.
The MCree non folder is on sale for 515 right now.
I don't think you could beat that.
Re: Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The M5 system advertised in stocky's (it says AI mag compatible) is the PT&G bottom metal.
The Surgeon is a top notch system but overpriced IMHO.
The OP is correct, when buying a new stock and a DBM+inlet, you are at or near the price of an AICS.
The MCree non folder is on sale for 515 right now.
I don't think you could beat that. </div></div>
That sounds like a great deal. In your opinion, how close is the McRee to the AICS in quality and stability?
Where is the McRee being sold for $515?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The M5 system advertised in stocky's (it says AI mag compatible) is the PT&G bottom metal.
The Surgeon is a top notch system but overpriced IMHO.
The OP is correct, when buying a new stock and a DBM+inlet, you are at or near the price of an AICS.
The MCree non folder is on sale for 515 right now.
I don't think you could beat that. </div></div>
That sounds like a great deal. In your opinion, how close is the McRee to the AICS in quality and stability?
Where is the McRee being sold for $515?
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The McRee is being sold for 515 on the McRee website.
I don't own one, I own an XLR.
There are legions of very happy McRee owners out there.
There isn't much to a chassis. It is a block of aluminum that is cut to accept a barreled action.
The McRee is being sold for 515 on the McRee website.
I don't own one, I own an XLR.
There are legions of very happy McRee owners out there.
There isn't much to a chassis. It is a block of aluminum that is cut to accept a barreled action.
Re: Accuracy International or Bell & Carlson ?????????
I tried to like the asics twice - just could not go for the thumbhole or pistol grip on a precision rifle - it is a much different feel than the B+C / TRG / Mcmillan
you really do want to get a little time behind them before buying
if you want to inlet it yourself the stiller DBM is the easiest and most forgiving
I tried to like the asics twice - just could not go for the thumbhole or pistol grip on a precision rifle - it is a much different feel than the B+C / TRG / Mcmillan
you really do want to get a little time behind them before buying
if you want to inlet it yourself the stiller DBM is the easiest and most forgiving
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Fdkay is that the raw, unfinished Mcree stock for 515, or is that a Christmas blowout sale. I bought mine last jan, Christmas sale, savage folder and stock pack for 750. It is a rugged stock that has very good ergonomics. The Remington aics grip is too close to the trigger for me, i replaced the skins with viperskins and xl grip. It now fits perfect. I will say the Mcree seems heavier, both my Mcree and aics stocked rifles weight the same but the aics rifle just seems more lively in hand. Also don't most dbm come without mags? The aics comes with a 5 rd. I should mention my savage aics is perfect in regards to trigger/grip distance for me.
Fdkay is that the raw, unfinished Mcree stock for 515, or is that a Christmas blowout sale. I bought mine last jan, Christmas sale, savage folder and stock pack for 750. It is a rugged stock that has very good ergonomics. The Remington aics grip is too close to the trigger for me, i replaced the skins with viperskins and xl grip. It now fits perfect. I will say the Mcree seems heavier, both my Mcree and aics stocked rifles weight the same but the aics rifle just seems more lively in hand. Also don't most dbm come without mags? The aics comes with a 5 rd. I should mention my savage aics is perfect in regards to trigger/grip distance for me.
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It is the raw, no finish.
Krylon or aluma hyde is cheap
One that is finished is only another 75 bucks, that is still only 590, add a mag it's 655 total, still 200 less than an AICS
http://shop.mcreesprecision.net/McRees-Precision-G5-TMAG-Fixed-Rifle-Stock-1-STD-FIX.htm
It is the raw, no finish.
Krylon or aluma hyde is cheap
One that is finished is only another 75 bucks, that is still only 590, add a mag it's 655 total, still 200 less than an AICS
http://shop.mcreesprecision.net/McRees-Precision-G5-TMAG-Fixed-Rifle-Stock-1-STD-FIX.htm
