I'm always hearing that argument but never noticed it myself and as you might know, the administrations are quite stubborn and slow to react. They are usually 15-20years late to the game compared to what the civilians are using in competition.
Is it a team match or individual? lt said call your partner. Is it a find range engage or PRS type match? I saw it today on IG as well.
Team match from what I understand but that's all I know. Going to text Josh(range owner) this week and see if he can give me any more info.
Not a Vichy apologist. It's just that many people start this story in 1940-1941 as if nothing happened before.
If you want to truly understand what happened you have to understand the french sentiment at that time and get the full picture.
For the french people it all started in 1914 when the germans invaded France. There were a massive draft at the beginning of the War and dudes were sent in trenches wearing red pants and hat with a dark blue coat. Our doctrine at the time was way behind Germany's, we were stuck in Napoleonic doctrines.
The conscripts were ordered to get out of the trenches with their Lebel in hand and run on open terrain in front of machine gunners all the way to ennemy trenches. If they managed to get there they had to clean them up using their bayonet. Joined a picture of the average french infentryman at the start of WW1. Best close quarter tactical set up you have ever seen, I know.
French government also introduced a temporary tax that same year to help with the war effort. It was called the "income tax" (yep, still there in case you wondered).
Well, during these 4 years we lost 1'397'800 soldiers and we also had 4'266'000 wounded soldiers and I'm not even counting the civilian casualties.
Said like that it doesn't sound like much but just to put that into perspective it would be equivalent to the US loosing 11,7M soldiers (the US has lost less than 650k soldiers since its creation in 1776) and having 35,9M more wounded at today's populaltion.
It was the biggest massacre to known history at that time and the french got the most of it.
Just take my family name : AILLAUD
It's one of the least common french names with 1673 people born in France since 1890.
Yet 59 guys named AILLAUD died in combat (all in my region) during WW1. It's basically the tribute my enlarged family paid.
Now bear in mind, when WW2 broke the french guys in age to be drafted all grew up during the aftermath of that war. Not a single family got spared. They grew up seeing dudes like that everyday :
And you know what these kids also grew up to ? The french government telling them NEVER AGAIN. Nothing is worth such devastation.
Now we can move to 1939 when Germany invaded Poland after a few years of unsuccessful negociations over the corridor of Dantzig.
- French population : "Sounds like a you problem. Good luck with that"
- French government : "You remember when we were telling you NEVER AGAIN, well. We've just declared war to Germany with the Brits. But don't worry we have a plan".
Needless to say it didn't work as planned. We got flanked. The British troops were ordered to retreat and french troops were ordered to leave their positions to cover the British retreat. The french generals were so confident in their plan that these morons didn't even bothered preparing defensive lines behind the maginot line. Some even think that it was done on purpose but we won't go there.
French people : "Well, well, well, now that these damn brits returned to their floating piece of shit called UK and the german army is rushing to Paris what do we do ?"
"French government has left the chat..."
Petain took over and signed the armistice with the germans thinking he could negociate something, which was the only thing he could have done at that time given the mess he got to deal with. He got fucked over.
I know some Americans think that they would have fought to the last one and never signed anything but, really ? Look at the average Joes around you, look at your politicians, most of them are only interested in the number of digits showing on their bank statment (like everywhere else).
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Anyways; they had trans people worshipped satan during olympics ceremony in france; i don’t know what have they surrendered to this time around. Not good
Anyways; they had trans people worshipped satan during olympics ceremony in france; i don’t know what have they surrendered to this time around. Not good
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Who has good photos of the L96A1, the PM, etc? I've had an unusually difficult time getting some nice, quality and high resolution photos of it. With how few examples still exist, its expected but, none-the-less, frustrating. I came across this photo through Imgur by pure chance, along with just a couple others that seem to be in the hands of private owners.
Was there a "civilian" target rifle model of the L96A1 that existed and made its way into a few customer hands @tomirwin ? What was the rifle that started with the prefix "ABL" in the serial number?
I'm unsure of which rifle this is below, as it looks transitional between the PM style and AW style, noting the magazine cutout to more easily pull and change it.
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I am new to the forum and this is why!
My pride and joy, 2012 AW briefly clad in borrowed Arken awaiting either S&B, Steiner or Kahles..choices choices! 
Shoots as good as I hoped out to 850yds so far, only had 100 or so Ruag 168gn & 176gn through and seems to prefer 176gn.
Any advice on where to start with home loads or suitable .308's to feed it is welcome! (still not 100% on if the 7.62x51 really is ok with .308, even though the AIAW manual mentions ballistic data from tests with .308 168gn Match?..)
Thanks for the great forum gents, been very helpful so far
308 is fine in a 7.62x51. There is whole 308 load data thread in the reloading section. Hard to go wrong with varget and 175 smk.View attachment 8467936
I am new to the forum and this is why!
Shoots as good as I hoped out to 850yds so far, only had 100 or so Ruag 168gn & 176gn through and seems to prefer 176gn.
Any advice on where to start with home loads or suitable .308's to feed it is welcome! (still not 100% on if the 7.62x51 really is ok with .308, even though the AIAW manual mentions ballistic data from tests with .308 168gn Match?..)
Thanks for the great forum gents, been very helpful so far
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I am new to the forum and this is why!
Shoots as good as I hoped out to 850yds so far, only had 100 or so Ruag 168gn & 176gn through and seems to prefer 176gn.
Any advice on where to start with home loads or suitable .308's to feed it is welcome! (still not 100% on if the 7.62x51 really is ok with .308, even though the AIAW manual mentions ballistic data from tests with .308 168gn Match?..)
Thanks for the great forum gents, been very helpful so far
This is not going to be the perfect load, but it will be very good and will run in anything.
Question,
I’ve been getting some trade offers on my ATX. I prefer to do a gun swap but have had offers to swap chassis. ATX chassis to a thumbhole AT chassis
Is there someone who bonds these or is it a simple process to bond myself?
I’m leaning towards a entire gun swap but curious what just swapping the chassis would bring
I’ve been getting some trade offers on my ATX. I prefer to do a gun swap but have had offers to swap chassis. ATX chassis to a thumbhole AT chassis
Is there someone who bonds these or is it a simple process to bond myself?
I’m leaning towards a entire gun swap but curious what just swapping the chassis would bring
Takes me like 30 min with prep it ain't rocket science..... However if I was on the fence it 100% ain't worth the hassle imo
I’ve also never found a decent rifle that won’t shoot exceptionally well with Winchester brass, a 168gr SMK, and 43.5gr of Varget.
A good load out to 800yds, longer and you'll need the 175.
Anyone shooting the 185 grain Juggernaut out of the AT? I spun up a PROOF SS competition contour 308 in 10 twist but haven’t tried it yet
Never saw that one.
I actually asked Frank why the 168 SMK did poorly when it reached transonic, was it density altitude we have on the east coast? He said it's the boat tail design of the 168 SMK.
I was having good results out to 950yds at 100ft ASL with 5mph winds…1moa anyway.
168 Amax works fine. It’s a different animal.
And like all things Hornady. It’s better
Which box of A-Max do you use? Hornady Black, Match or Tap? I haven't had good results from Hornady Black with A-Max.
Black has been more accurate for me in my “trainer” 308 barrel than fgmm168
Standard 1:12 Lothar Walther barrel?
I haven't found much of any 168gr that works. I've gone full 175gr FGMM and that's produced the best groups, except one freak day where a box of Hornady TAP ELD Precision 168gr worked well. Then every other box shot 4MOA.
I'm shooting 185s out of a Proof CF 18.5" 1:10" at 2540 in my AXSR with really good results.
Took my AT-X and my Son’s new Seekins Hit Pro, broke in his 18” 308 and 26” 6CM barrels.
AT-X saw about 50 rounds today 478-1020 yards.
168 Amax shoot better for me than 168smk in a 20in lw barrel from 2014
ETA handloads
Yup! I run them out of a 20” at 2600. Love the 185’s. Just been shooting factory Berger loads and haven’t worked up a load yet but I have a bunch of recipes to try.
Biggest challenge is going to be properly aligning the action in the AT chassis when you bond it. When you bond an AX or AO chassis it has the side walls that hug the action and help align it, and you can confirm with how the barrel is centered in the forend.
I believe AI uses some sort of fixture to align the action in an AT chassis, without one you might end up with the barrel misaligned.
For what it's worth I've never had any tipped Hornady shoot good for me in any gun or caliber I've tried. I did get one to print really well at 100 but she fell apart and wouldn't hold at 800+.
However, the hornady HPBT 75gr and 178gr have been excellent for me in everything.
And since everyone has their panties in a knot over pics.... the AT with its newest sibling.
However, the hornady HPBT 75gr and 178gr have been excellent for me in everything.
And since everyone has their panties in a knot over pics.... the AT with its newest sibling.
I was thinking about a 6.5 barrel but today decided a 308 is in order for my at-x. Trying to decide the length etc.
20” for police vibes. 24-26” for trying to break 800 yards vibes.
Aren't those AI AT skins? That rifle does not look like it's from 1996. At least the skins don't.
Meh, go short and fat, and shoot heavies (this is not relationship advice). They objectively look cooler than longer barrels as well.
3 rounds at 1192 yards on a 24" target, in a gentle 5-6mph from 10 o'clock, used the drone to spot my impacts.
The skins are not from 1993. I didn't think I needed to say that part out loud.
The skins were the last version of AW skins offered. The scope and scope mounts were also upgraded to the latest from S&B and SPUHR, and are not original either.
The discussion was referring to the mechanical parts i.e. the barrel, action, etc. I was answering to that effect. All of this was implied and it's also implied that the AWs were upgraded over their years of use.
Because they know looking cool is most important.
Meh.
18” for being handy and cool and closer range stuff
26” for max effective range.
But it’s 20 24
Buy a 18” 6.5. And be effective
Or buy that antiquated cartridge and Miss by 0.5-2 mils all the time.
Both 18” with amax/eld 140/169
I have an 18", 20" 24" and 26" 308 barrel. After using all of them I think 22" is a perfect size. 20" would be my second favorite. Darpa tested barrel length and 18.5 lost no accuracy but you do lose a decent amount of velocity. 20-22" gives you some of it back without packing a 24-26" barrel. Very nice compromise.
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