I have been a Savage guy through and through. I love my 308 and my rimfires. I got a 280 Rem being built now for a hunting rifle. However my build for next year is going to be a 264 Win Mag. So I started doing some research and playing with some numbers and finally came up with the conclusion that what I want can't be done. Unless you have a extremely deep pocket book and plan to machine your own parts. The accessories and aftermarket parts simply are not available. I have heard from many people that Savage has changed designs so much that aftermarket companies are reluctant to begin producing anything. I don't doubt this but is it possible someone can shed some light on this topic? Here is a list of the specs I was planning on. Stainless action, SS 28" barrel, adjustable stock (Bell & Carlson, HS, or similar), detachable mag system. Its a damn headache looking for parts. Centerfeed, stagerfed, old model, new model. Don't get me wrong. There are a ways to build a hell of a rifle and parts are available for short actions, and this thread is in no way meant to bash the Savage name. I would just like something a little simpler. I did and still believe that a Savage is a great "out of the box" shooter. Problem is with a lot of their offerings it seems to stop there. I would like to have options, not be forced to make a decision over the 1 or 2 companies that produce parts for my rifle. The ability to swap barrels is great, but not enough. Problem is I am not familiar with Remington in the slightest bit. I know there is a absolute shit load of aftermarket parts available and your options are not limited. And that's enough for me! This may seem like a moronic question but does someone have a link that explains ADL, BDL and all the Remington terminology specs. Also, some info on building a 264 WM with the above specs. Once again because I know this will come up. This is not meant to be a negative Savage vs Rem thread. Just to educate myself and hopefully some other on the reasons you should carefully choose. Thanks in advance and any help is appreciated, sorry for the rant its just frustrating running into a dead end every time your looking for parts!
Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
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Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
I agree with you 100% - it is Savage's and the industry's fault that you want to build a rifle on an obsolete chambering when you have a 280 the way that will do everything the new gun will do.
The de facto standard for a high performance .264" bore is the 6.5-284. All the stuff to build one of these in a 700 LA (or clone) platform is readily available. Standard .473" bolt face, stocks, bottom metal, mags, bases, and people that know how to screw them together. Brass, bullets, and loads are easy to come by as well.
With any luck, when you get it all built up it can maybe keep up with your 280.
I agree with you 100% - it is Savage's and the industry's fault that you want to build a rifle on an obsolete chambering when you have a 280 the way that will do everything the new gun will do.
The de facto standard for a high performance .264" bore is the 6.5-284. All the stuff to build one of these in a 700 LA (or clone) platform is readily available. Standard .473" bolt face, stocks, bottom metal, mags, bases, and people that know how to screw them together. Brass, bullets, and loads are easy to come by as well.
With any luck, when you get it all built up it can maybe keep up with your 280.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with you 100% - it is Savage's and the industry's fault that you want to build a rifle on an obsolete chambering when you have a 280 the way that will do everything the new gun will do.
The de facto standard for a high performance .264" bore is the 6.5-284. All the stuff to build one of these in a 700 LA (or clone) platform is readily available. Standard .473" bolt face, stocks, bottom metal, mags, bases, and people that know how to screw them together. Brass, bullets, and loads are easy to come by as well.
With any luck, when you get it all built up it can maybe keep up with your 280. </div></div>
My 280 is a lightweight sporter barrel hunting rifle. Complete opposite of what I'm looking for in a 6.5 chambering. I have my 308 and am looking to add a smaller caliber long range rifle. Perhaps I can answer my own question and just call GAP...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with you 100% - it is Savage's and the industry's fault that you want to build a rifle on an obsolete chambering when you have a 280 the way that will do everything the new gun will do.
The de facto standard for a high performance .264" bore is the 6.5-284. All the stuff to build one of these in a 700 LA (or clone) platform is readily available. Standard .473" bolt face, stocks, bottom metal, mags, bases, and people that know how to screw them together. Brass, bullets, and loads are easy to come by as well.
With any luck, when you get it all built up it can maybe keep up with your 280. </div></div>
My 280 is a lightweight sporter barrel hunting rifle. Complete opposite of what I'm looking for in a 6.5 chambering. I have my 308 and am looking to add a smaller caliber long range rifle. Perhaps I can answer my own question and just call GAP...
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
What can you not find for the Savage Build ? I have built some Oddball Shit on Savage Actions and never had a issue, Including a Repeater .338 EDGE that will feed 3.910 OAL rounds (300 Berger) from a modded factory Box.
What can you not find for the Savage Build ? I have built some Oddball Shit on Savage Actions and never had a issue, Including a Repeater .338 EDGE that will feed 3.910 OAL rounds (300 Berger) from a modded factory Box.
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Its all Savages fault..... or is it the after market companies. Everything but the stock is readily available on the market. Start with the 111FCXP in 300wm and you get the bolt head, and DBM your wanting. Sell your take off barrel and stock but it comes with the accustock which is actually avery good stock.
Its all Savages fault..... or is it the after market companies. Everything but the stock is readily available on the market. Start with the 111FCXP in 300wm and you get the bolt head, and DBM your wanting. Sell your take off barrel and stock but it comes with the accustock which is actually avery good stock.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
What on earth? All you need to wrangle up is a barrel.
Everything else is easily available through Jim Briggs @ Northland Shooter Supply over at the savageshooters.com forum
At the very most, your biggest inconvenience would be selling off a factory barrel to gain a rifle with all the other features you need and piecing things together. That's what you were looking to do anyway.
_9H is right though, why do you want to go this route when there is a better rounds already available- even through savage.
What on earth? All you need to wrangle up is a barrel.
Everything else is easily available through Jim Briggs @ Northland Shooter Supply over at the savageshooters.com forum
At the very most, your biggest inconvenience would be selling off a factory barrel to gain a rifle with all the other features you need and piecing things together. That's what you were looking to do anyway.
_9H is right though, why do you want to go this route when there is a better rounds already available- even through savage.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
A 264 Win Mag???? Well it is the most powerful 6.5 I think, but you never see anyone with it. Very few production line riflemakers offer the .264 Win. Mag. as a factory chambering, so what do you expect. Should be easy to find what you need to build a custom though. The stuff can be had like others have already said.
A 264 Win Mag???? Well it is the most powerful 6.5 I think, but you never see anyone with it. Very few production line riflemakers offer the .264 Win. Mag. as a factory chambering, so what do you expect. Should be easy to find what you need to build a custom though. The stuff can be had like others have already said.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
Not sure why you would want to build a 6.5 on a belted case, but to each his own. A 6.5-06 would have plenty of case capacity and use a standard bolt face.
Buy a 7mm Rem mag or 300 Wm as has been said and put a new barrel on it.
Doesn't seem to difficult. Might as well buy two, with that massivley overbore cartridge you'll go through barrels fast enough.
Not sure why you would want to build a 6.5 on a belted case, but to each his own. A 6.5-06 would have plenty of case capacity and use a standard bolt face.
Buy a 7mm Rem mag or 300 Wm as has been said and put a new barrel on it.
Doesn't seem to difficult. Might as well buy two, with that massivley overbore cartridge you'll go through barrels fast enough.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
I am familiar with Jim @ Northland. He is a lot of help. But my point is when you look at stock options and DBM components savage is limited. When you look into long actions for example a 264 your stock options are very limited if it is a centerfed. As for a DBM I don't know of one other than what is standard on a factory Savage. Its no secret that Remington has a load of options for the 700 and like I said I have heard that because Savage is notorious for changing designs it will likely stay that way. I'm aware that I can buy a model 112 BVSS in 7 mag and throw a barrel on it. But that's not the stock or mag system I would want. I'm aware of Stockade and SSS and have heard that they do nice work. But again none of those offerings are something I would be looking for. I know that other manufactures could inlet one for me. But look at readily available components. There not there. I would be happy with a adjustable Bell and Carlson, or even a medalist. But there not offered for savage or there short action only. We could go on and on about this but what I am wondering is if it is true that the options are not there because of design changes. If so, what was the benefit for Savage to switch to centerfed and change all the screw spacing? It worked for years, it wasn't broke. So why did they mess with it! I guess its just aggravating to run into dead ends when looking for parts just because its a different screw spacing. Doesn't seem like I or anyone else would have this problem with a 700. Not that a good savage can't be built, again I like my 308 a lot. And plan to add a new stock and some CDI bottom metal soon. I just feel like if I went with a 700 I would have a lot more options.
I am familiar with Jim @ Northland. He is a lot of help. But my point is when you look at stock options and DBM components savage is limited. When you look into long actions for example a 264 your stock options are very limited if it is a centerfed. As for a DBM I don't know of one other than what is standard on a factory Savage. Its no secret that Remington has a load of options for the 700 and like I said I have heard that because Savage is notorious for changing designs it will likely stay that way. I'm aware that I can buy a model 112 BVSS in 7 mag and throw a barrel on it. But that's not the stock or mag system I would want. I'm aware of Stockade and SSS and have heard that they do nice work. But again none of those offerings are something I would be looking for. I know that other manufactures could inlet one for me. But look at readily available components. There not there. I would be happy with a adjustable Bell and Carlson, or even a medalist. But there not offered for savage or there short action only. We could go on and on about this but what I am wondering is if it is true that the options are not there because of design changes. If so, what was the benefit for Savage to switch to centerfed and change all the screw spacing? It worked for years, it wasn't broke. So why did they mess with it! I guess its just aggravating to run into dead ends when looking for parts just because its a different screw spacing. Doesn't seem like I or anyone else would have this problem with a 700. Not that a good savage can't be built, again I like my 308 a lot. And plan to add a new stock and some CDI bottom metal soon. I just feel like if I went with a 700 I would have a lot more options.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
Stock selection is not limited. Manners and Mcmillan will inlet for any Savage footprint you want.
If money is not an object, go ahead and call GAP. They make GREAT stuff!
Stock selection is not limited. Manners and Mcmillan will inlet for any Savage footprint you want.
If money is not an object, go ahead and call GAP. They make GREAT stuff!
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
Hell Son, your just wanting whine, not build a rifle. Get over it.... Everything is available.
Hell Son, your just wanting whine, not build a rifle. Get over it.... Everything is available.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
call Kevin Rayhill at Stockade Gunstocks and tell him what you want, bet he has an idea or two on how to get there
call Kevin Rayhill at Stockade Gunstocks and tell him what you want, bet he has an idea or two on how to get there
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
Or check out PDC custom stocks. Craig built the stock for my new savage build. Also, Mcree and XLR evolution are some other great chassis for the savage platform. Kevin Rayhill is great as well. I talked to him on the phone for some time and he will do a DBM using AI mags for the savage. Sharp Shooter Supply has DBM for savages too.
Justin
Or check out PDC custom stocks. Craig built the stock for my new savage build. Also, Mcree and XLR evolution are some other great chassis for the savage platform. Kevin Rayhill is great as well. I talked to him on the phone for some time and he will do a DBM using AI mags for the savage. Sharp Shooter Supply has DBM for savages too.
Justin
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
I think I could get what your looking for built with no problem,
Stock from McM
DBM setup from CDI
the rest is a no brainer.
I think I could get what your looking for built with no problem,
Stock from McM
DBM setup from CDI
the rest is a no brainer.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
Have 2 custom rifles built on Savage 110's, a.338-06 and 7mmSTW. I had no problem finding what I needed. Brownells, Midway, NSS,....
Have 2 custom rifles built on Savage 110's, a.338-06 and 7mmSTW. I had no problem finding what I needed. Brownells, Midway, NSS,....
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
McMillans has two stock designs available for the new center-feed Savage actions with the DBM/floorplate bottom metal. These are the HTG and the A-5.
McMillans has two stock designs available for the new center-feed Savage actions with the DBM/floorplate bottom metal. These are the HTG and the A-5.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
there must be a reason for the subtle changes, whether it's more strength by just a slight modification, better accuraccy, safety, etc. they probably seen there was a REASON for the change, otherwise why retool for it?
if they didn't change anything we wouldn't have such industry changing things as the accutrigger (and the others manufacturers that followed) or accustock (which i'm sure the other manufacturers will have something similar soon).
for the amount of savages that are out there and the amount of folks that like DIY boltons, i wouldn't stop making aftermarket stuff, just alter it slightly to fit the new rifle to cover the old and the new.
the parts are out there, just actually have to look elsewhere than cabela's or walmart for them. i think there's more DIY accessories now for savage than ever before.
there must be a reason for the subtle changes, whether it's more strength by just a slight modification, better accuraccy, safety, etc. they probably seen there was a REASON for the change, otherwise why retool for it?
if they didn't change anything we wouldn't have such industry changing things as the accutrigger (and the others manufacturers that followed) or accustock (which i'm sure the other manufacturers will have something similar soon).
for the amount of savages that are out there and the amount of folks that like DIY boltons, i wouldn't stop making aftermarket stuff, just alter it slightly to fit the new rifle to cover the old and the new.
the parts are out there, just actually have to look elsewhere than cabela's or walmart for them. i think there's more DIY accessories now for savage than ever before.
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I'm in the same boat. The hardest part about the build you want to do is that LONG ACTION AFTERMARKET MAGAZINE. Sure CDI, SSS, and a few others offer short action magazines, but that long action conversion is pretty elusive.
I'm in the same boat. The hardest part about the build you want to do is that LONG ACTION AFTERMARKET MAGAZINE. Sure CDI, SSS, and a few others offer short action magazines, but that long action conversion is pretty elusive.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
cdi has long action for savage. doesnt Vbull have long action DBM? dude, i know one person with a .264 mag. thats a pre whatever model bolt. hell brass was pretty easy to find, but factory loads werent plentyful in the books. maybe try a different caliber? sounds doable from the posts. and dont forget, call savage and see what you can get from the custom shop
cdi has long action for savage. doesnt Vbull have long action DBM? dude, i know one person with a .264 mag. thats a pre whatever model bolt. hell brass was pretty easy to find, but factory loads werent plentyful in the books. maybe try a different caliber? sounds doable from the posts. and dont forget, call savage and see what you can get from the custom shop
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in the same boat. The hardest part about the build you want to do is that LONG ACTION AFTERMARKET MAGAZINE. Sure CDI, SSS, and a few others offer short action magazines, but that long action conversion is pretty elusive. </div></div>
Do yall just make this shit up ? CDI LA DBM Bottom metal for Sav has been avail for a long time... So... if that's the hardest part.... LMAO, your in for a Easy ride.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marksman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm in the same boat. The hardest part about the build you want to do is that LONG ACTION AFTERMARKET MAGAZINE. Sure CDI, SSS, and a few others offer short action magazines, but that long action conversion is pretty elusive. </div></div>
Do yall just make this shit up ? CDI LA DBM Bottom metal for Sav has been avail for a long time... So... if that's the hardest part.... LMAO, your in for a Easy ride.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
From the CDI website:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now Offering Savage Short action DBM..for both earlier Stagger feed(4.275" Hole Spacing) models and newer Center feed(4.400" Hole spacing).</div></div>
Hell, maybe they'd get a little more interest if they'd bother telling people the make them for LONG ACTIONS.
From the CDI website:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now Offering Savage Short action DBM..for both earlier Stagger feed(4.275" Hole Spacing) models and newer Center feed(4.400" Hole spacing).</div></div>
Hell, maybe they'd get a little more interest if they'd bother telling people the make them for LONG ACTIONS.
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
I talked to CDI personally about my short action 10fp in 6.5x47 lapua which is an older model staggered feed. They make the mag systems for both staggered and center. They will even inlet the stock and put the system in for you.
I talked to them about this for my rifle which is a non dbm bell carlson tactical and they were will do it all in house all i have to do is send my stock or for a little extra they will do the whole rifle.
I was real impressed and the prices I got were not as bad as I thought it would be.
Really think it would benefit you to call them if you haven't already.
I talked to CDI personally about my short action 10fp in 6.5x47 lapua which is an older model staggered feed. They make the mag systems for both staggered and center. They will even inlet the stock and put the system in for you.
I talked to them about this for my rifle which is a non dbm bell carlson tactical and they were will do it all in house all i have to do is send my stock or for a little extra they will do the whole rifle.
I was real impressed and the prices I got were not as bad as I thought it would be.
Really think it would benefit you to call them if you haven't already.
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Did you know pac nor makes a savage style barrel for Remingtons? With the Pac nor Rem nut barrel you can have it all.
I put one together in 223 and it is a slick setup and the barrel nut is much better looking than the savage barrel nut.(takes the same wrench as the savage.)
Did you know pac nor makes a savage style barrel for Remingtons? With the Pac nor Rem nut barrel you can have it all.
I put one together in 223 and it is a slick setup and the barrel nut is much better looking than the savage barrel nut.(takes the same wrench as the savage.)
Re: Aggravated with Savage designs!!!
What's the problem picking from a short list of good gear?
Anything you want can be done.
What's the problem picking from a short list of good gear?
Anything you want can be done.
