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I have a few rounds of various calibers on hand yet I'm afraid to shoot as there seems to be ; no primers , no affordable ammo and a potential train wreck of an election in a few months . It may be the case of what you have is what you've got .
 
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    I have a few rounds of various calibers on hand yet I'm afraid to shoot as there seems to be ; no primers , no affordable ammo and a potential train wreck of an election in a few months . It may be the case of what you have is what you've got .
    Go out and shoot and practice making your shots count instead of round count.

    Things like, pull the gun out of the truck, get it down on the line and can you make the first shot hit the exact point of aim.

    You could do a lot of work training with 20 to 50 rounds for a day.
     

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    I make more. I have a modest supply of consumable components. It's an integral part of my recreational activity.

    As for 'years', I'm 74. For when that becomes prohibitive; the Grandkids live with us and know reloading.

    A man's just got to know his limitations...; eh?

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    Greg
    Just make sure to have enough for this fall! See you soon!
     

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    Go out and shoot and practice making your shots count instead of round count.

    Things like, pull the gun out of the truck, get it down on the line and can you make the first shot hit the exact point of aim.

    You could do a lot of work training with 20 to 50 rounds for a day.
    For real . I agree . I'm still going to dry fire , up drills , air soft and dry fire positions . I will still go to the range just not as much . If there were a steel challenge season I'd be launching 800 to 1000 rounds a month but right now concerned over shortage and politics .
     

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    If you think it's bad now, wait to see what it will be like if the elections go the wrong way in a big way.
    It might become near impossible to find anything in stock.
    I think it's going to get worse no matter what. After the last election when everyone thought Hillary was going to win ammo/firearms manufacturers had production ramped up going into the election to get ahead of the post election Hillary panic buying then when Trump was announced POTUS demand feel off the face of the earth and manufacturers got stuck with with all that inventory. This time I think manufacturers are holding off on increasing production until after the election results are in I don't think they want to spend the capital to up production from now to the election because that cost money and it would just be a temporary spike in demand which means from now to the election we'll probably see shortages hold or increase. As the election gets nearer and Biden begins campaigning on demolishing the 2nd amendment we'll probably see another wave of panic buying pushing prices even higher than they are now. If Biden is elected I bet manufacturers will up production to meet demand but that will take time and I think demand will so high that upping production will barely make a difference to the massive price hikes and shortages of everthing I think we'll see. If Trump is elected I don't see manufacturers upping production but we probably will see nationwide riots which could trigger more panic buying.

    If Trump wins the shortage will probably go on until spring when manufacturers get caught up provided that nothing else happens in the meantime to cause more panic and if Biden wins we're fk'd and I think the prices and availability we're seeing now will look like Christmas Morning compared to how bad it's going to be. Either way this shortage is going to be around awile.
     
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    IMO if Biden wins we will see weapons bans by March 2021. He and Pelosi will not wait to push ”Gun safety” bills through. If the GOP loses the Senate, the Second Amendment is toast.
     
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    There was lots of ammo at the gun show yesterday, some reasonable,and some way over priced. I didn't need any, so I passed on all of it. I did, however, find lots of primers, $10/1000. Found Starline 6.5 Creedmoor brass, brand new in the bag, $10/100. They only has one bag though. A leather holster for my 1911 $10. A cheap Barska 20-60 spotting scope, $15. About 200 Speer 30 caliber 170 gr. bullets, $35. and two shell holders, 9mm and .45, $5. I missed a Dillon 650, with several boxes of extras, including at least three powder throws, by about 5 minutes...$700. :cry:
     

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    Think it’s funny how a while ago everyone was crying and saying boycott when it was just one place raping people on prices but, now that everyone that sells ammunition is doing it it’s just capitalism. I have plenty of ammo but I have been paying attention to what’s been going on and it’s not ok. When your $10 box of range ammo is now being sold fo $30-$40 in a couple months it’s a problem on many levels not just for consumers. The people who will buy thousands of rounds of 9mm and 223-5.56 also contribute to the problem. If people would just buy a little extra here and there they would build up plenty. Just my opinion everybody has one just like an elbow I’m usually on the 22lr forum but saw this and thought I’d share my thoughts. Have a great day everyone.
     

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    That’s funny. Yeah I’m just hoarding mine down here in my bunker with me. That was exactly my point that if you just bought what you needed to shoot and then a little extra you’d have plenty and the demand problem wouldn’t exist.
     

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    That’s funny. Yeah I’m just hoarding mine down here in my bunker with me. That was exactly my point that if you just bought what you needed to shoot and then a little extra you’d have plenty and the demand problem wouldn’t exist.
    I dont think we are in the same league of shooting and I don’t even shoot that much. How much do you expend per range trip? Just curious? Or maybe all you guys are making 6-7 figures a year?
     
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    Prices right now are insane on 9mm.

    large volumes of new gun owners
    various fears - covid, looters, race based violence, food shortage, etc
    election year (with dems being clear they are taking your guns if elected)
    hoarders / preppers have shifted from toilet paper to ammo lol
    ammo as one option for 'the new currency'

    I still think you can separate demand pricing from gouging
    IMO typical price with all the increase demand right now is probably about 26-32 cents per round for 9mm
    I still think 50 cents a round is fucking ridiculous
    it will be a long time before we see 16 cents a round again
     

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    Prices right now are insane on 9mm.

    large volumes of new gun owners
    various fears - covid, looters, race based violence, food shortage, etc
    election year (with dems being clear they are taking your guns if elected)
    hoarders / preppers have shifted from toilet paper to ammo lol
    ammo as one option for 'the new currency'

    I still think you can separate demand pricing from gouging
    IMO typical price with all the increase demand right now is probably about 26-32 cents per round for 9mm
    I still think 50 cents a round is fucking ridiculous
    it will be a long time before we see 16 cents a round again
    I’ve seen as high as almost $1 per round for 9mm for FMJ!!!! Hell they are selling 1000 rds of Wolf for $500 in some places. Yeah that’s fucking stupid. I’m not paying that. Unfortunately, I shot up most of my stash of 9mm. Down to 450 rds. It doesn’t take long which is why I know some here don’t shoot much. I wouldn’t even say I shoot a lot but I can easily shoot 200 rds of 9mm per range session and that’s small change. Add a subgun or something and you can blow through 1000 pretty easily.
     
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    I shoot when I have time and energy, so it varies greatly
    I am glad last year I shot way more than normal. I just said fuck it to a lot of things and was at the range several times per month

    I normally shoot 250-300 rounds of 9 if I am going to the pistol range, I am about done at that point unless I am testing some change I made

    This year, I have not been out much, too many other things that I have to get done (selling my house soon, it needs lots of work)
     
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    I feel stoked that last week I found $0.10 22 ammo ...how sad is that?
     

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    How much do you expend per range trip? Just curious? Or maybe all you guys are making 6-7 figures a year?
    Pre-stupidity, I'd burn ~3000 rounds a year, mostly bolt action. I'm behind my usual rate so far this year for some reason. Before I lost everything in the divorce, I had enough components to burn out a few barrels. Unlike many Americans today, I work, don't have a lot of spare time, and don't have a range membership. I have to attend comps or drive out into the desert to go shooting. I have a decent income, for a liberal arts major, that is not spent frivolously.

    I definitely shoot less than this guy, but would like to be able to.

     

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    I dont think we are in the same league of shooting and I don’t even shoot that much. How much do you expend per range trip? Just curious? Or maybe all you guys are making 6-7 figures a year?
    I’m not in a competition with anyone but myself with shooting or money. I don’t make 6 figures. Lately I’ve been shooting my 6.5 creedmoor mostly and it’s dam expensive so I try and keep it minimal but usually cost me around $60-70 an outing with that. Usually shoot twice a week. I only shoot to get better for myself no competition near me but I would love to shoot some long range comps or nrl- nrl 22 eventually.
     
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    For the moment I’m pulling in 6 figures... we’ll have to see how. Ack the economy get and if we all still have jobs.

    To that end, I started buying ammo two years ago. I really started getting serious about a year ago.

    One of these days I’ll need to setuo the XL650 I have in boxes.
     

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    I have enough of everything to last a very long time, but I started buying long ago, watching for specials, free hazmat days, etc. It's not hoarding, it was foresight.
     

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    I agree; of course if I can sell half of what I bought to pay of the original purchases, that’s a great deal to...

    I’m sure I’ll be accused of gouging, but all I really did was plan ahead!
     
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    Like most of you, I planned way ahead last year. I talked with a buddy of mine and said "I have the money this year, it's stupid cheap, who knows what's gonna happen next year being an election year".

    Most of my other buddies gave me shit for buying so much. " Why do you need do much, what are you planning for, that's ridiculous etc." Now those same fuckers are asking if they can buy my inventory......no fuck off go away. "But you have so much". I tell them yeah, I know and it's mine, you had 3.5 years to prepare. Now if they weren't condescending pricks then I might consider helping them out but I highly doubt I would. There's 3 people I'd help out if they needed ammo.
     

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    One huge problem is the fucking resellers.
    I about got into a gunfight with them a couple of days ago.

    They camp out in parking lots and rape the shelves hoping to sell at gun show for stupid prices.

    I needed powder and got to the store to be first in line.

    At least four people tried to jump in front of me, sorry not today assholes and told them all what I thought of them to thier face.

    Ultamatly there was no powder and had to find online should be here this afternoon.

    Buy 8lb jugs from now on.
    If you dont like it barter it out.
     
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    One huge problem is the fucking resellers.
    I about got into a gunfight with them a couple of days ago.

    They camp out in parking lots and rape the shelves hoping to sell at gun show for stupid prices.

    I needed powder and got to the store to be first in line.

    At least four people tried to jump in front of me, sorry not today assholes and told them all what I thought of them to thier face.

    Ultamatly there was no powder and had to find online should be here this afternoon.

    Buy 8lb jugs from now on.
    If you dont like it barter it out.
    That's where the legit sellers slowly raising the prices helps. As the prices go up, it becomes less profitable to try to grab everybody's stock.
    You could of course try limits per person / per week, but that is never effective as they just get all their friends, family and buddies to do it.

    So in the end letting the price float up to the resistance point ensures that people can usually get at least some.
     
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    The gun show is in town this weekend.

    I'm not even going till this insanity stops.

    Anyway I have 2000 rounds to load now.
     
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    I love opening boxes of purchased ammo its like Christmas all year round . 80 thousand round you sir are my new hoarding hero oh and here me with only 3600 rounds of 6.5 I thought I was getting somewhere ha ha 80 thousand rounds Id feel like the king of the world well maybe not that happy yet but It would be great . Id be committed that evening they would be at my front door to take me away to a nice quiet padded cell .
     
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    Have any of you any idea how much time it takes to shoot tens of thousands of rounds?

    It's a lot longer than most of us could manage as a life expectancy in a time of combat.

    Most of our barrels would be absolute toast before that number got reached.

    Even Rambo couldn't handle that much outgoing ammo.

    It would take one months just to reload the magazines.

    If you can't be reasonable, at least try to be practical.

    If you have that much ammo, what you actually are is a prime target for looters.

    Get a grip, people...!
     

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    Yeah, you're missing what is probably the largest ammo and gun run in recorded history. Don't expect ammo to be readily available again for a year.
    Not really trying g to be a dick here, and I agree with you 100%,

    But, last year we enjoyed a 12 year low and a total glut of anything you / we could want.

    And there are people who ignored it, knowing an election was coming up this year and with the state of this country for the last few years still decided to pass on that opportunity.
    That simply amazes me.
     

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    Not really trying g to be a dick here, and I agree with you 100%,

    But, last year we enjoyed a 12 year low and a total glut of anything you / we could want.

    And there are people who ignored it, knowing an election was coming up this year and with the state of this country for the last few years still decided to pass on that opportunity.
    That simply amazes me.
    Well the 12 year "lull" was just a period of elevated sales/prices over the last year of Bush. I mean if we look at the numbers for the last decade, its way higher than even the post-9/11 days. It certainly never felt like it was a good time to buy, because prices were still higher than we have all lived through. Then COVID came and took this year that should have been a mad dash right about now with the election coming, and spread that madness through the entire year, with no prospect of things getting any better. I guess murderous mobs telling people in their homes they're going to be murdered kinda sparks that response.
     

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    Well the 12 year "lull" was just a period of elevated sales/prices over the last year of Bush. I mean if we look at the numbers for the last decade, its way higher than even the post-9/11 days. It certainly never felt like it was a good time to buy, because prices were still higher than we have all lived through. Then COVID came and took this year that should have been a mad dash right about now with the election coming, and spread that madness through the entire year, with no prospect of things getting any better. I guess murderous mobs telling people in their homes they're going to be murdered kinda sparks that response.
    Was it cheaper during the Bush administration though? Because everytime I see actual verification of pricing like when someone posts and old shotgun news and I run the pricing though an inflation calculator the pricing is about the same from the Bush administration to the Trump administration pre COVID.
     

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    What I need is stores to have primers. I'm not paying stupid shipping surcharges up to $40 to get a box of pop caps.
     
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    Well the 12 year "lull" was just a period of elevated sales/prices over the last year of Bush. I mean if we look at the numbers for the last decade, its way higher than even the post-9/11 days. It certainly never felt like it was a good time to buy, because prices were still higher than we have all lived through. Then COVID came and took this year that should have been a mad dash right about now with the election coming, and spread that madness through the entire year, with no prospect of things getting any better. I guess murderous mobs telling people in their homes they're going to be murdered kinda sparks that response.
    That is a very wordy way of saying that those of us who watch ammo, the world, politics and all things commodity were buying at a 12 year low.

    12 years it took to get to that point.

    Many of us stacked very very deep.

    While others bought things still available right now even.

    Guess it's a matter of priorities for each of us.
     

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    I'm just thankful I have a TargetSports membership and I'm not paying crazy prices for ammo.
     

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    Have any of you any idea how much time it takes to shoot tens of thousands of rounds?

    It's a lot longer than most of us could manage as a life expectancy in a time of combat.

    Most of our barrels would be absolute toast before that number got reached.

    Even Rambo couldn't handle that much outgoing ammo.

    It would take one months just to reload the magazines.

    If you can't be reasonable, at least try to be practical.

    If you have that much ammo, what you actually are is a prime target for looters.

    Get a grip, people...!
    Agreed

    It is hard to get a good perspective unless you really keep some notes. I document all of my shooting just so that I keep track of ammo inventory and rounds through the barrel.

    I actually don't know how many rounds a year people shoot. I think I shoot a lot but compared to most on this forum, not likely. I shoot 2,500 rounds of centerfire and 6,000 rounds of rimfire per year. It would take me a while to go through my inventory...I still say

    BUY MORE AMMO
     
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    I’ve seen as high as almost $1 per round for 9mm for FMJ!!!! Hell they are selling 1000 rds of Wolf for $500 in some places. Yeah that’s fucking stupid. I’m not paying that. Unfortunately, I shot up most of my stash of 9mm. Down to 450 rds. It doesn’t take long which is why I know some here don’t shoot much. I wouldn’t even say I shoot a lot but I can easily shoot 200 rds of 9mm per range session and that’s small change. Add a subgun or something and you can blow through 1000 pretty easily.
    Yup,I blew through 4,000 of 5.56 last night.
    Normal day is between 500-1,000 rounds average.
     

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    Have any of you any idea how much time it takes to shoot tens of thousands of rounds?

    It's a lot longer than most of us could manage as a life expectancy in a time of combat.

    Most of our barrels would be absolute toast before that number got reached.

    Even Rambo couldn't handle that much outgoing ammo.

    It would take one months just to reload the magazines.

    If you can't be reasonable, at least try to be practical.

    If you have that much ammo, what you actually are is a prime target for looters.

    Get a grip, people...!
    Yes, I know exactly how long it takes but shooting slow controlled bursts of a precision rifle all day is way different than running drills with a sub gun or AR at 50-100yds or less. Way way different. Heck even at comps or training classes for a bolt gun it’s not uncommon to blow through 250-500 rds in a couple days. Yes, most of us that actually shoot are well aware of how long it takes and I would guess most of us keep decent records on Ammo and rounds through the barrel, even tho I think some people are over habitual about that sort of thing to. Shoot it until it opens up or isn’t accurate anymore, clean it and if it still isn’t accurate, check your velocity readings vs what you had when it was new. Might need to adjust somewhere or it could be toast but I think some people focus too much on crazy stuff vs shooting. Like people that clean their rifles every time they go out. It’s unnecessary unless you are going to be storing it for a long period of time. Heck I think I’ve cleaned my 6 Creedmoor once and it has nearly 2000 rds on it. Still shoots just fine.
     
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    Yup,I blew through 4,000 of 5.56 last night.
    Normal range night is between 500-1,000 rounds average.
    Wow. Now that’s a lot. I don’t shoot near that much but I go through it pretty quick. I’d hate to be your mag loader. Damn. Must have had lots of mags loaded before you left. But I could easily do 500 on a night. Now 9mm? I can blow through that like crazy, easily shoot 1000rds a trip if I wanted to with a subgun.
     

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    Wow. Now that’s a lot. I don’t shoot near that much but I go through it pretty quick. I’d hate to be your mag loader. Damn. Must have had lots of mags loaded before you left. But I could easily do 500 on a night. Now 9mm? I can blow through that like crazy, easily shoot 1000rds a trip if I wanted to with a subgun.
    I'm hard to impress but I think my Fightlight is going to be a keeper.
    I bought one on a wim one day and was very skeptical.
    My Sten MK's will burp a bunch in a hurry, your thumbs will give up loading ammo before they get tired of eating it
     
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