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    given a choice Ill go with the BLM every time. I know a lot of fine black people. I even know a couple that are sympathetic to BLM. I understand. They, to some degree, still dont have equal opportunity. Thats a fact, not a speculation. Its changing but not done yet. While feeling oppressed they love America and just want change. Don, the Whirlpool repairman who came to my home yesterday was a great example. He admitted "Yeah, there are times Ive had to work harder than my white counterparts but it just made me stronger." Felt like Id made a friend by the time he left. Welcome in my home anyday.

    Antif'as, on the other hand are nothing but communist backed garbage. The only way Ive ever known to reason with a communist is at the point of a gun. My gun pointed at his chest.

    Fuck a bucnh of communists.
     

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    given a choice Ill go with the BLM every time. I know a lot of fine black people. I even know a couple that are sympathetic to BLM. I understand. They, to some degree, still dont have equal opportunity. Thats a fact, not a speculation. Its changing but not done yet. While feeling oppressed they love America and just want change. Don, the Whirlpool repairman who came to my home yesterday was a great example. He admitted "Yeah, there are times Ive had to work harder than my white counterparts but it just made me stronger." Felt like Id made a friend by the time he left. Welcome in my home anyday.

    Antif'as, on the other hand are nothing but communist backed garbage. The only way Ive ever known to reason with a communist is at the point of a gun. My gun pointed at his chest.

    Fuck a bucnh of communists.

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    A guy I work with found something about ANTIFA protesting at the Sturgis bike rally. I told him they're not THAT stupid... But if they want martyrs for the "cause" that'd be a good place to get them...
     
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    given a choice Ill go with the BLM every time. I know a lot of fine black people. I even know a couple that are sympathetic to BLM. I understand. They, to some degree, still dont have equal opportunity. Thats a fact, not a speculation. Its changing but not done yet. While feeling oppressed they love America and just want change. Don, the Whirlpool repairman who came to my home yesterday was a great example. He admitted "Yeah, there are times Ive had to work harder than my white counterparts but it just made me stronger." Felt like Id made a friend by the time he left. Welcome in my home anyday.

    Antif'as, on the other hand are nothing but communist backed garbage. The only way Ive ever known to reason with a communist is at the point of a gun. My gun pointed at his chest.

    Fuck a bucnh of communists.

    Why don't you point me to some specifics on that. I don't need to hear your racist diatribe, about how they were bread stupid by evil white slave owners. You point me to one way, a person has less opportunity than another in this country based on race. If its a fact it shouldn't be hard to explain, and quantify.
     

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    Why don't you point me to some specifics on that. I don't need to hear your racist diatribe, about how they were bread stupid by evil white slave owners. You point me to one way, a person has less opportunity than another in this country based on race. If its a fact it shouldn't be hard to explain, and quantify.

    What the repairman said should be sufficient. Much of what transpires is not patently visible, but left to personal prejudices.

    I really dont have time to cater to your childish crap. Youre getting about as asinine as 6.5Rottie.

    Since the 'Ignore" button is not functional, I suggest yo just not read my posts if you find them so upsetting to your delicate constitution.

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    Okay Maggot, I been reading this and just have to say that this last post of yours is a cop out. You made no bones about stating that something was a fact, but when asked to provide any support for that fact, you mention intangible nothings and attack the questioner. That sounds way too much like a blow off answer from someone who does not have any facts and cannot support their statement. I'm not saying that that is the case, just that it is what it looks like.

    Now you should know that I usually don't get too involved in these squabbles in Maggies, as they are usually just that. But in this case I happen to believe that we, as a country, do have some improving to do and BLM, AntiFa, and violence are not methods that will bring positive improvement for anyone. Both organizations were created by outside interests with deep pockets and an agenda. That agenda is NOT peace and brotherly love.

    So, back to facts. When something is stated as a fact, there is usually an onus on the author to back that up so that others can see that it is indeed a fact and not an opinion.

    [h=1]fact[/h] [h=3][fakt][/h] Spell Syllables
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    Your fears have no basis in fact.

    So while you may not get along with supercornguy, an answer that satisfies stills begs to be stated.
     

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    given a choice Ill go with the BLM every time. I know a lot of fine black people. I even know a couple that are sympathetic to BLM. I understand. They, to some degree, still dont have equal opportunity. Thats a fact, not a speculation. Its changing but not done yet. While feeling oppressed they love America and just want change.

    You sound like an old white southerner who is full of white guilt.



     

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    Yea I call bullshit on people being held back today because of their race......40-30 maybe even 20yrs ago maybe, but not here in 2017 minority's have more opportunity today than ever before. You got lazy fucks in all races that just want shit handed to them.....those are the POSs that have time to protest!
     

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    You sound like an old white southerner who is full of white guilt.

    Not a bit, Im just able to reason and understand beyond your weak ability. I see Ive got 3 dislikes for this one. I must be doing something right. Like laughing at your ignorance. Bye now.
     

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    guess people are sensitive, i kind of agree with you but for different reasons.

    Jerry,

    What they cant seem to get is the difference between 'Positional' and 'Experiential'.

    Lets examine this quote....

    "All men are created equal."

    Positionally, by the Constitution, all men are equal. In actual life experience,I dont see how anyone could say we are all equal. Could Steven Hawkings play tight end on the Patriots? Other than a savant, can autistic children learn Calculus. Unlikely.

    So positionally, we may all have the same opportunities, but realistically, experientially, we dont all have the same shot at those opportunities.

    If everyone in your family has gone to Harvard for 6 generations and accumulated billions of $$$ their opportunity level is 'positionally' equal to a poverty strapped black kid who went to PS 316, experientially its not a level playing field.

    If Big Bush, dropped a couple million into the Harvard trust fund, Little Georgie gets in even if he is a dufus and some bright but impoverished misses his shot . That is not equal.

    As I said, its changing, but the problem didnt occur in a generation and change of this magnitude doesnt happen in a generation, or even two.
     

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    Hmmmmmmm Black lives matter, a bunch of racists free tooting idiots. Antifa Racist, delusional idiots. Black president. Nothing is holding anyone back other than them selves.
     

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    Well I am looking at it this way, Black people are American as can be, if some of them got complaints I listen, might or might not agree but I will give a listen, they been here longer than 98% of everyone else, Communism and Socialism is un American, its a disease imported from evil Europe, the same Evil Europe our ancestors escaped from, it needs to be stomped out utterly and completely, I dont care what a communists complaint is, I seen it in action in East Germany for real, nit just read about it, or theorize in a class room, I keep clean and prep the only cure for communism, my guns. Black people are fellow Americans, Communists are not they forfeited that privilege, they are my enemy and the enemy of my people..
     

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    I wish ANTIFA would come to my town. I could use some excitement.


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    Well I am looking at it this way, Black people are American as can be, if some of them got complaints I listen, might or might not agree but I will give a listen, they been here longer than 98% of everyone else, Communism and Socialism is un American, its a disease imported from evil Europe, the same Evil Europe our ancestors escaped from, it needs to be stomped out utterly and completely, I dont care what a communists complaint is, I seen it in action in East Germany for real, nit just read about it, or theorize in a class room, I keep clean and prep the only cure for communism, my guns. Black people are fellow Americans, Communists are not they forfeited that privilege, they are my enemy and the enemy of my people..

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    Jerry,

    What they cant seem to get is the difference between 'Positional' and 'Experiential'.

    Lets examine this quote....

    "All men are created equal."

    Positionally, by the Constitution, all men are equal. In actual life experience,I dont see how anyone could say we are all equal. Could Steven Hawkings play tight end on the Patriots? Other than a savant, can autistic children learn Calculus. Unlikely.

    So positionally, we may all have the same opportunities, but realistically, experientially, we dont all have the same shot at those opportunities.

    If everyone in your family has gone to Harvard for 6 generations and accumulated billions of $$$ their opportunity level is 'positionally' equal to a poverty strapped black kid who went to PS 316, experientially its not a level playing field.

    If Big Bush, dropped a couple million into the Harvard trust fund, Little Georgie gets in even if he is a dufus and some bright but impoverished misses his shot . That is not equal.

    As I said, its changing, but the problem didnt occur in a generation and change of this magnitude doesnt happen in a generation, or even two.

    I get what you are saying, and yes some people are born with an advantage right out of the gate. All you can do is play the hand that was dealt to you, but how you choose to play your hand is your choice.
     

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    I get what you are saying, and yes some people are born with an advantage right out of the gate. All you can do is play the hand that was dealt to you, but how you choose to play your hand is your choice.

    Absolutely, but if you start with a pair of dueces, its hard to win against someone who always starts with a straight.
     

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    Bullshit Maggot , now you are demonstrating paternal racism, and racism of low expectations. We are all born butt naked and broke in this country, where you end up is mostly up to you, no matter what color.
     

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    Bullshit Maggot , now you are demonstrating paternal racism, and racism of low expectations. We are all born butt naked and broke in this country, where you end up is mostly up to you, no matter what color.

    Not at all/
     

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    Jerry,

    What they cant seem to get is the difference between 'Positional' and 'Experiential'.

    Lets examine this quote....

    "All men are created equal."

    Positionally, by the Constitution, all men are equal. In actual life experience,I dont see how anyone could say we are all equal. Could Steven Hawkings play tight end on the Patriots? Other than a savant, can autistic children learn Calculus. Unlikely.

    So positionally, we may all have the same opportunities, but realistically, experientially, we dont all have the same shot at those opportunities.

    If everyone in your family has gone to Harvard for 6 generations and accumulated billions of $$$ their opportunity level is 'positionally' equal to a poverty strapped black kid who went to PS 316, experientially its not a level playing field.

    If Big Bush, dropped a couple million into the Harvard trust fund, Little Georgie gets in even if he is a dufus and some bright but impoverished misses his shot . That is not equal.

    As I said, its changing, but the problem didnt occur in a generation and change of this magnitude doesnt happen in a generation, or even two.

    You are looking for outcomes instead of opportunities. This is not the land of milk and honey, this is the land of "opportunity." The is no shortage of opportunity for people to get out of ghetto, get educated, and live better. A lot of people do it with out getting educated. The obvious flaw in your argument, for this proving the system racist, is that there are poor white people also. No-one dropped a bill in a college fund for me. I don't think George senior cared if I went to college. I am white to, what the hell? Could you point me to the white people college fund? I have student loans to pay.

    You are you mixing up helping family, with race. If George W was black would it no longer be racist for his father to pay for college.


     

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    You are looking for outcomes instead of opportunities. This is not the land of milk and honey, this is the land of "opportunity." The is no shortage of opportunity for people to get out of ghetto, get educated, and live better. A lot of people do it with out getting educated. The obvious flaw in your argument, for this proving the system racist, is that there are poor white people also. No-one dropped a bill in a college fund for me. I don't think George senior cared if I went to college. I am white to, what the hell? Could you point me to the white people college fund? I have student loans to pay.

    You are you mixing up helping family, with race. If George W was black would it no longer be racist for his father to pay for college.

    The only obvious flaw is in your perception.

    When I speak 'economically' Im painting with a broader brush. that includes all people, not just black, though it may seem that way. Try this:

    Out of 100 people, 1 of them is in the 1%, maybe 2-3 in the 10% and after that its pretty flat. To get a larger statistic, multiply that by 10 so we have 1000 (black, white, brown) poor and 10 in the 1%.

    The 1000 or so from the ghetto/poorest sections of cities who are lucky to have enough food and have trouble just finishing high school because of crime, poverty, etc.

    The 10 or so from the wealthiest families have been to the finest boarding and prep schools and a heritage from Harvard.

    Who has the best 'opportunities' you speak of? While a certain number of highly motivated from the 1000 will break the mold they have to work a lot harder than those from the 1% who have success laid in their laps.

    While not set in stone if you have more opportunities, its a lot easier to have a positive outcome. Again, not set in stone but definitely a large factor.

    And the black race, at this time, is at a significant economical well as educational disadvantage.

    If you cant see the above then Im wasting my time with you and Im done with that, go ahead and play your little racist card, Ill be laughing at you elsewhere.
     

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    The only obvious flaw is in your perception.

    When I speak 'economically' Im painting with a broader brush. that includes all people, not just black, though it may seem that way. Try this:

    Out of 100 people, 1 of them is in the 1%, maybe 2-3 in the 10% and after that its pretty flat. To get a larger statistic, multiply that by 10 so we have 1000 (black, white, brown) poor and 10 in the 1%.

    The 1000 or so from the ghetto/poorest sections of cities who are lucky to have enough food and have trouble just finishing high school because of crime, poverty, etc.

    The 10 or so from the wealthiest families have been to the finest boarding and prep schools and a heritage from Harvard.

    Who has the best 'opportunities' you speak of? While a certain number of highly motivated from the 1000 will break the mold they have to work a lot harder than those from the 1% who have success laid in their laps.

    While not set in stone if you have more opportunities, its a lot easier to have a positive outcome. Again, not set in stone but definitely a large factor.

    And the black race, at this time, is at a significant economical well as educational disadvantage.

    If you cant see the above then Im wasting my time with you and Im done with that, go ahead and play your little racist card, Ill be laughing at you elsewhere.

    Made up stories and fake statics don't make for a good debate.

    And again, none of this paints a picture of a racist system. You just seems like you have serious case of rich envy. Rich people not only work for what they have, they make opportunities for all of us to earn a living. And thanks to many government policies, they get incentives to give more opportunities to minorities, women, and disabled people.

     

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    And the black race, at this time, is at a significant economical well as educational disadvantage.

    This is complete Horseshit...

    In America it's the choices you make in life that define your future.

    Any of those knuckleheads you see on TV can get their shit together, join the Military and have a damn good life.

    There are tons of state and Federal Grants and scholarships specifically for poor youth just at their fingertips, if they apply themselves in school.




     

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    This is complete Horseshit...

    In America it's the choices you make in life that define your future.

    Any of those knuckleheads you see on TV can get their shit together, join the Military and have a damn good life.

    There are tons of state and Federal Grants and scholarships specifically for poor youth just at their fingertips, if they apply themselves in school.

    Yep. Unless I'm supposed to credit my pull out of poverty to white privilege instead of getting good grades, USMC service, and putting in the work at an engineering school...

     

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    This is complete Horseshit...

    In America it's the choices you make in life that define your future.

    Any of those knuckleheads you see on TV can get their shit together, join the Military and have a damn good life.

    There are tons of state and Federal Grants and scholarships specifically for poor youth just at their fingertips, if they apply themselves in school.

    You really need to learn some reading comprehension rather than going through life as a one dimensional moron. Your stupidity is exactly why I rarely pother to try to explain. My mistake, jeez I wish the ignore button worked.
     

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    Maggot , did you watch the Morgan Freeman interview posted a little ways down in the CNN thread? I thought he handled this discussion with aplomb.
     

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    Black people have been more than equal for 30-40 years. Affirmative Action, hiring quotas, preferential admissions to college. The schools that are heavily Black get money thrown at them in piles. To say racism holds them back is silly.

    So we (White people) have done our part in giving Black people a hand up, not out. But we have also given hand outs. Yet we are still to blame for their condition in society? This is Bullsh!t.

    When have you ever seen Al Sharptougne spend the time or money teaching these young men and women how to apply for a job. How to dress, how to make sure they have the info to fully complete an application? How to show up early for an interview not late?

    Now I am sure I can only make these observations because I'm a Racist. But if common sense is Racist then so be it. I am numb to the words. They are used so loosely they mean nothing.

    You can offer a Man opportunity but you can't make him take it. Especially when he can just blame racist white men for his failures.Morgan Freeman has it right. The Bus of Opportunity is running and no one is keeping them from getting on it. JMHO
     

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    Maggot , did you watch the Morgan Freeman interview posted a little ways down in the CNN thread? I thought he handled this discussion with aplomb.

    Hey man, I called you two and got crickets. You fuckers ducking me? :p Did OneShot cook ya Breakfast? :rolleyes:
     

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    Maggot , did you watch the Morgan Freeman interview posted a little ways down in the CNN thread? I thought he handled this discussion with aplomb.

    Yes, I did, and thought it good. I agree, any one person can pull themselves up, but there is an economic/educational gulf, affecting the whole scenario, that has been built over hundreds of years. As I stated before, you dont change a n entire culture in a generation, or two. Change is happening but it takes time.

    With respect to you Bogey, Ive said what I have to say on this several times and am done here.
     

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    Hey man, I called you two and got crickets. You fuckers ducking me? :p Did OneShot cook ya Breakfast? :rolleyes:

    I didn't have a missed call or message? No breakfast, but I believe some beer and BBQ with The Mikes is in the works right after I take my lady to the Salvador Dali museum.
     

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    Jerry,

    What they cant seem to get is the difference between 'Positional' and 'Experiential'.

    Lets examine this quote....

    "All men are created equal."

    Positionally, by the Constitution, all men are equal. In actual life experience,I dont see how anyone could say we are all equal. Could Steven Hawkings play tight end on the Patriots? Other than a savant, can autistic children learn Calculus. Unlikely.

    So positionally, we may all have the same opportunities, but realistically, experientially, we dont all have the same shot at those opportunities.

    If everyone in your family has gone to Harvard for 6 generations and accumulated billions of $$$ their opportunity level is 'positionally' equal to a poverty strapped black kid who went to PS 316, experientially its not a level playing field.

    If Big Bush, dropped a couple million into the Harvard trust fund, Little Georgie gets in even if he is a dufus and some bright but impoverished misses his shot . That is not equal.

    As I said, its changing, but the problem didnt occur in a generation and change of this magnitude doesnt happen in a generation, or even two.



    Just an FYI. "Tight End" is a "position". And yes, Stephen Hawking did play that 'position' for the Patriots. That's how he broke his neck and became paralyzed. If memory serves me right it was a spectacular hit by Jack Tatum. Look it up. :cool:
     

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    I didn't have a missed call or message? No breakfast, but I believe some beer and BBQ with The Mikes is in the works right after I take my lady to the Salvador Dali museum.

    It was on Mike's. Your's is problematic. :( You guy's have a great time !!!!
     

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    You really need to learn some reading comprehension rather than going through life as a one dimensional moron. Your stupidity is exactly why I rarely pother to try to explain. My mistake, jeez I wish the ignore button worked.

    My reading comprehension is spot-on, I just couldn't bother to relay any more of your idiotic crap. You constantly contradict yourself and just about every dumbass thread you post. Why are you even on snipers hide?? You're clearly a Fucking Snowflake with the constitution of nothing more than a whiny little bitch.
     

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    Black people have been more than equal for 30-40 years. Affirmative Action, hiring quotas, preferential admissions to college. The schools that are heavily Black get money thrown at them in piles. To say racism holds them back is silly.

    So we (White people) have done our part in giving Black people a hand up, not out. But we have also given hand outs. Yet we are still to blame for their condition in society? This is Bullsh!t.

    When have you ever seen Al Sharptougne spend the time or money teaching these young men and women how to apply for a job. How to dress, how to make sure they have the info to fully complete an application? How to show up early for an interview not late?

    Now I am sure I can only make these observations because I'm a Racist. But if common sense is Racist then so be it. I am numb to the words. They are used so loosely they mean nothing.

    You can offer a Man opportunity but you can't make him take it. Especially when he can just blame racist white men for his failures.Morgan Freeman has it right. The Bus of Opportunity is running and no one is keeping them from getting on it. JMHO

    Maggot will find a way to feel entitled...lol

    And sympathize with agitators who do nothing more than damage state and federal property, and contribute absolutely nothing to society.


     
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    Absolutely, but if you start with a pair of dueces, its hard to win against someone who always starts with a straight.

    God we are so lucky to have you here to sympathize with the oppressed, God bless your little snowflake heart Maggie..

     

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    Not a bit, Im just able to reason and understand beyond your weak ability. I see Ive got 3 dislikes for this one. I must be doing something right. Like laughing at your ignorance. Bye now.

    obama got votes based on his race, not his politics, so, that reasoning doesn't mean much. 3 dislikes compared to my 4 likes on a GUN forum. Obviously you are on the opposite page as everyone else. Just like the democrats.
     

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    The only obvious flaw is in your perception.

    When I speak 'economically' Im painting with a broader brush. that includes all people, not just black, though it may seem that way. Try this:

    Out of 100 people, 1 of them is in the 1%, maybe 2-3 in the 10% and after that its pretty flat. To get a larger statistic, multiply that by 10 so we have 1000 (black, white, brown) poor and 10 in the 1%.

    The 1000 or so from the ghetto/poorest sections of cities who are lucky to have enough food and have trouble just finishing high school because of crime, poverty, etc.

    The 10 or so from the wealthiest families have been to the finest boarding and prep schools and a heritage from Harvard.

    Who has the best 'opportunities' you speak of? While a certain number of highly motivated from the 1000 will break the mold they have to work a lot harder than those from the 1% who have success laid in their laps.

    While not set in stone if you have more opportunities, its a lot easier to have a positive outcome. Again, not set in stone but definitely a large factor.

    And the black race, at this time, is at a significant economical well as educational disadvantage.

    If you cant see the above then Im wasting my time with you and Im done with that, go ahead and play your little racist card, Ill be laughing at you elsewhere.

    Oh really? I hate to break it to ya, but I came from a poor mexican family (legally) and instead of playing the victim card my grandparents, picked the fields and saved their money (no welfare, wic or any other govt assistance. If they didn't have it, they bartered for it) . Were proud Americans (no mexican flags waving crap) and wanted everyone in their household to learn and speak English. So, you can keep excusing Blacks and their victim card all you want but in reality, no matter what your economic status is, you can dig yourself out of it with a bit of work, and perseverance.
     

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    Just an FYI. "Tight End" is a "position". And yes, Stephen Hawking did play that 'position' for the Patriots. That's how he broke his neck and became paralyzed. If memory serves me right it was a spectacular hit by Jack Tatum. Look it up. :cool:

    Thanks for that clarification. I thought Hawkings broke that skinny stack or vertebrae fighting Mike Tyson.;)