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Use to watch the octagon matches and those Brazilian fighters were unbelievable. When they lay on their back and the other fighter will not engage or get close to them in that position because if they did they would twist them like a pretzel. Pretty good skill set to have that your still deadly when off your feet.
17 to 23 got a Black Belt in Kenpo ( wrong spelling that stuck ) . 23 to 31 Savate . Fought PKA for six years . Had a boat load of car accidents culminating in being run down by a car . Wound up with five herniated discs fer muh trouble .
Along comes my 40th and my brother tells me that our trainer is doing BJJ and MMA . Our trainer was flying down to Brazil once a month to train with the Gracies back in '92 . The rest of the month trained down in Philly with Maxwell . In fact his training partner George Stollsteimer was the first UFC fight Doc .
So I take my brother up on attending a class and WOW . Very intimate form of fighting . You are near face pressed to face and can see and feel the fear . I rolled for my first time and hung up a seventeen year old named Pat Sabotini for eight minutes . At the time he was #1 in his class in NAGA . Pat's fighting UFC now .
I've rolled with slot of names and more often than not had my ass handed to me as an origami swan .
One particular time I'm Rollin with my trainer one day and in the back gym there's some fan fare goin on . They were kicking off a youth boxing program and some names were there . While we're Rollin this guy comes into the Dojang with an entourage and waits for us to finish .
He starts talking to my trainer and from the conversation they obviously knew each other . The guy says his goodbye and bows to both my trainer and me . So after he leaves I asked "who was that ?" He tells me James Toney .
Long and short of it yeah I competed in BJJ and MMA with a good balance of ground and stand up , BUT . I t hurts ta get up in the morning . I remember one issue of Black Belt Mag an article on BJJ . The writer said after having checked it out for a few days and getting a taste he had no aspirations to become the " World's most Deadly Quadrapalegic " .
Along comes my 40th and my brother tells me that our trainer is doing BJJ and MMA . Our trainer was flying down to Brazil once a month to train with the Gracies back in '92 . The rest of the month trained down in Philly with Maxwell . In fact his training partner George Stollsteimer was the first UFC fight Doc .
So I take my brother up on attending a class and WOW . Very intimate form of fighting . You are near face pressed to face and can see and feel the fear . I rolled for my first time and hung up a seventeen year old named Pat Sabotini for eight minutes . At the time he was #1 in his class in NAGA . Pat's fighting UFC now .
I've rolled with slot of names and more often than not had my ass handed to me as an origami swan .
One particular time I'm Rollin with my trainer one day and in the back gym there's some fan fare goin on . They were kicking off a youth boxing program and some names were there . While we're Rollin this guy comes into the Dojang with an entourage and waits for us to finish .
He starts talking to my trainer and from the conversation they obviously knew each other . The guy says his goodbye and bows to both my trainer and me . So after he leaves I asked "who was that ?" He tells me James Toney .
Long and short of it yeah I competed in BJJ and MMA with a good balance of ground and stand up , BUT . I t hurts ta get up in the morning . I remember one issue of Black Belt Mag an article on BJJ . The writer said after having checked it out for a few days and getting a taste he had no aspirations to become the " World's most Deadly Quadrapalegic " .
I thought I was in shape when I started BJJ. Hell, I WAS in shape when I started. But, I'm leaner and WAY more flexible now (over 40) than I was at 30. My aches come when I have been away for a while. Two weeks for vacation wrecks me when I get back to the gym. But, injuries and playing through them are all part of it...
I don’t remember where I heard it, but it was once described to me as, “the art of folding clothes, with a person still inside them.”
Yup. There's a ton of em
Been at it for six month's now. Great fun
3 1/2 years in. On the mats 5 or 6 days a week. It's been lifechanging.
Did a few years of Bjj, back about 12 years ago. Was encouraged at my school to have a decent ground game for real life trouble.
My son started at 14 years old and was a Blue belt at 17 teen. He now does MMA and boxing and Muay thai . At my former school.
I still have a martial art night once a month at my house. With some of my old workout partners. Good times with people I love.
My son started at 14 years old and was a Blue belt at 17 teen. He now does MMA and boxing and Muay thai . At my former school.
I still have a martial art night once a month at my house. With some of my old workout partners. Good times with people I love.
I trained for about 19 years, before injury meant I had to give up training (many years ago), which I greatly miss. My first Jiu Jitsu sensei was also a kickboxing champion (I wasn’t into that). However, the second dojo (my sensei now sadly passed due to cancer and much missed. A great sensei and my friend) where I trained, I preferred, and I studied many martial arts (some in more depth than others): Jiu Jitsu (this was the main one and the one in which I achieved a dan grade [many years ago]). Others less serious included: Judo, Aikido, Iaido (found that bladed weapons didn’t interest me that much, I much preferred the kubotan), Tai Chi (took this up for a while after injury stopped the more energetic training). However, the training has knacked my body (should have known since everyone seemed to have knackered joints!), chronic back pain (lower back) and numerous shoulder operations (even though my partner (now wife) said when arriving home limping and bruised after training, you will suffer in the long term, I would still do it all again!).
Finally happened... Got my first serious injury training...spazy stong white belt started mixing catch wrestling moves with a keyloc didn't realize how in danger I was until he snapped my elbow......
Hopefully will have good news from the specialist this week. Fortunately the ulna popped itself back into place and doesn't appear to have any fractures except maybe a sight one where a ligament inserts but definitely have ligament damage.
Hopefully will have good news from the specialist this week. Fortunately the ulna popped itself back into place and doesn't appear to have any fractures except maybe a sight one where a ligament inserts but definitely have ligament damage.
The old saying that " the white belt is the most dangerous guy in the gym " . Sometimes they do stupid shit and don't understand shit like , sparring , low n slow or goin sixty percent . Hope ya heal up fast . Just realize that this will be the first of many injuries .
Meh I wasn't planning on returning this body to mother earth in unfielded condition
I learned my fighting skills from an old asian guy who had me painting his fence and waxing his car.
quitters never win and winners never quit , just keep trying besides Indiana Jones said it best
guns are just better .
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I trained in traditional judo for close to 10 years. It incorporates techniques that are now called "jui jitsu". I personally feel its a more "thorough" art. My 5 year old girls have been taking it for a year and they can hold their own with kids much larger. I tried bjj at a local studio but those fools were intentionally hurting people. There is no need to injure someone in training.
White belt here. It has been many years since I trained in Jujitsu. but the training is still inside there, somehow. A couple of times had some minor attacks on me, and those skills worked without thinking about it.
Would like to go back, but have so many injuries do not know if my body could hold up. This was traditional jujitsu. Right now I am swimming 2000-3000 yards a few times a week to keep my strength up without getting injured.
Would like to go back, but have so many injuries do not know if my body could hold up. This was traditional jujitsu. Right now I am swimming 2000-3000 yards a few times a week to keep my strength up without getting injured.
I studied different styles but never had an advanced belt. Closer to the question of this thread, I studied Aiki-jujutsu with a former olympic swim coach H. Bryan Robbins. And also Tae Kwon Do. Some Kenpo. Kung Fu. Some pointers from friend who was a SEAL.
Judo is not a “more thorough art” than BJJ. Once you get your opponent on their back in Judo, the game is over. 30 sec to get a sub, or stand up and start over? It’s damned near fighting with Tae kwon do to be the soccer of martial arts.
In BJJ, once you get your opponent on their back, the game begins. But, if your BJJ gym isn’t incorporating take downs, you’re missing easily 1/2 of the game.
And no one is trying to hurt you- you just haven’t gotten comfortable being uncomfortable…
In BJJ, once you get your opponent on their back, the game begins. But, if your BJJ gym isn’t incorporating take downs, you’re missing easily 1/2 of the game.
And no one is trying to hurt you- you just haven’t gotten comfortable being uncomfortable…
Had this local white belt that also played nose guard for an amateur football team while I was 150lbs soaking wet. He muscled me into an armbar and I couldn’t do anything about it. Tore ligaments in my elbow before I could tap. Heard three distinct pops like piano strings popping. He heard it too and was a bit freaked out. That elbow still locks up from time to time years later.
Sometimes you just gotta say “nah man, I’m good…”
I want to ….but no where to go
Yea, I can't really get on board with "Judo is a more thorough art." My professor who is a 2nd degree black belt (about the get his third third year) started his bjj career as a judo black belt. He got his blue belt in 6 months but was a blue belt for 5 years. He would tool the white and blue belts by using his Judo, but would get worked by purple belts all the time. Now, we are a heavy wrestling incorporated academy despite our professor being a black belt Judoka. I've asked him why we never use any judo in our stand up training. His response is always "wrestling is way more effective." With that said, I like Judo and would love to take some judo classes to compliment my bjj.
Judo is a subset of Jujisu. Always was. It was created that way. BJJ is applicable in many situations; with Muay Tai or some similar striking to supplement the toolbox.
If I started again it would be gi. I’m too old and creaky for any comp stuff. Most people I deal with in life are wearing cloths.
No gi when I was doing it and I would do no gi again.
Prob not going to be wearing a gi if you need to use it sometime outside of competitions.
Prob not going to be wearing a gi if you need to use it sometime outside of competitions.
When I lived in a colder climate, Gi made sense for self defense. I’ll choke the hell out of someone with a hoodie. Probably overkill, but I used to pick jackets based on their Ezekiel potential.
The more I train No Gi, the more I miss the intricacies and collar chokes in Gi. I like them both.
Bow and arrow, wing, and baseball bat chokes are some of my favorites. I'll even hit baseball bat chokes from bottom side control. Dudes never see that coming unless they've been hit with it. Lol, u can only hit that choke on someone once.
Anything you can do in nogi, you can do in gi. The reverse is not true. Might as well learn that loose clothing are not your friend in a fight, while training…
I hadn’t hit a bow and arrow in quite awhile (training mostly No Gi) but play a lot of S Mount. I hit one my first day back in Gi - forgot how cool those are.
Yup for years. Backed off the past year to pursue Muay Thai. BJJ is totally the best martial art for kids.
It's always the big goofy white belts that fuck you up, spazzy ... breathing heavy.. you learn to avoid those guys. I got knee, neck, shoulder, and a weird oblique injury, oh also some fucked up fingers and knuckles.
I used to love to get the high school wrestlers on their first day in, they always have this attitude like they are gonna kick some ass, and at the end of the night they always walk away looking at the ground and wondering what the fuck just happened to them.
Agreed, as well the NoGi stuff is going to give you some more athleticism. Learn to control the opponent no matter what they are, or are not wearing.
Or modern No Gi - “learn to play the footsies”
….Cloverleaf from the honey hole is one of the coolest submissions IMO though.
Don’t kid yourself, gi at or above brown belt is little different. Going for a fucking knee bar is a good way to find out that I was just playing around…
We’ve been on a wrist lock kick for the last 6 months or so. We all thought it was fun to mess with for awhile, accidentally got pretty decent at wrist locks, and have tortured the blue and white belts since.
On a side note, I’m moving up to South Carolina in a few weeks and get to be the new guy in a gym, and potentially test out a few gyms.
For anyone looking for a gym, here are my criteria, yours may differ, but these work for me.
-Commute - on days when you’re feeling lazy, working late, pick your excuse - a closer gym is easier to make class at
-Class schedule - where can you make the most classes?
-Culture - if you’re a competitor/MMA fighter, pick a place that has fighters. If you’re a hobbyist, pick a place that won’t feed you to the wolves. Pick a place that’s fun to train for you.
-Level of instruction - some guys have awesome competitive resumes, and are decent teachers. Some guys are phenomenal teachers, but may not have a massive
competitive resume. Pick what fits you.
-Cleanliness - some guys are germophobes, and some think staph is a myth made up by the Big Soap Industrial Complex. Pick the gym on your side of the argument.
For anyone looking for a gym, here are my criteria, yours may differ, but these work for me.
-Commute - on days when you’re feeling lazy, working late, pick your excuse - a closer gym is easier to make class at
-Class schedule - where can you make the most classes?
-Culture - if you’re a competitor/MMA fighter, pick a place that has fighters. If you’re a hobbyist, pick a place that won’t feed you to the wolves. Pick a place that’s fun to train for you.
-Level of instruction - some guys have awesome competitive resumes, and are decent teachers. Some guys are phenomenal teachers, but may not have a massive
competitive resume. Pick what fits you.
-Cleanliness - some guys are germophobes, and some think staph is a myth made up by the Big Soap Industrial Complex. Pick the gym on your side of the argument.
Culture is a massive one! The gym I started at had total killers, you got crushed and were fodder, if you learned anything other than how not to get destroyed by monsters you were lucky. If you were not mentally tough or prepared for hardships then you quit the first two weeks, the attrition rate was staggering. That said we had some state champions in several divisions. It was run by a hard core MMA Brazilian that didn't give a fuck, he only wanted champs that were as tough as nails.
My last gym was total technique and drills, being tough was important but took back seat to playing chess. It's amazing how much culture and teaching style play into your experience.
As well, one needs to ask themselves why are they doing it, to learn technique and play some chess, fitness, or do they want to survive a physical attack? If it's the latter I suggest you get your NoGi and some striking in order. If it's the first and maybe second, then Gi is great mixed with some NoGi. BJJ, almost more than any other sport makes you question yourself, and your sanity, every time on the mats.
If you can pronounce the instructors name correctly without an English to Portuguese dictionary, and/or understand anything that he is saying (without copious hand gestures), hard pass. Just walk away...
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Funny story. My first name was not built for Portuguese speakers. When I was called to the ring at the last BJJ comp I attended, I thought the ref was going to stroke out trying to pronounce my name.
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