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need a barrel vice for remington 700 barrel. i have a couple of aluminum blocks about 4x4x6 i can use but not sure how to go from here. any plans or suggestions would be good.....
 

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    If it were me:

    Approach this with the mindset that a barrel vise is probably the single most used tool in a gunshop. With that in mind address this need knowing that the better you make it, the less time your going to spend dickering around to get a job done. It's not a sexy tool, it's not fancy like a lathe/mill, but it will/can make or break you in a day's work.

    1st: Ditch the Aluminum. Don't make the same mistake I did.

    "Anything worth making is worth making out of steel."

    -a quote from a good friend of mine who's pretty much the smartest man on planet earth.

    Oversize everything. Bolts, hardware, etc. At some point you'll run into a stubborn barreled action that just doesn't want to split apart. Heavy, large, hardware won't pull/stretch the way smaller stuff will. Consider 3/4" bolts for everything.

    Make your two halves large enough to accomidate the biggest barrel you'll ever encounter. Even if you don't plan on working on 50's, build it so you can.

    Make your collets from heat treated tool steel. just buy a stick of prehard 4140.

    On the bottom, stick a 3/8 dowel pin in the saddle and drill a hole in one of your collets. This will save you time down the road by indexing the clock position of the collet. On top, counterbore and glue in a couple rare earth magnets to hold the top collet in place while fitting/assembling.

    Mount to a rigid stand. This is one place where I did it right. 1/4" wall 4x4 box tubing to 3/4" base plates.

    I have a brand new floor with radiant heat. I was too chicken to drill holes and install lag bolts. I scuffed/cleaned the floor and the bottom of the plate with a 90* grinder and roloc disk. I then mixed up some acraglass liquid resin and glued the base to the floor.

    I fear I may never be able to remove it. It's pretty stout.


    Last: Take the time to round all your edges. Nothing is more frustrating than to have a rifle 100% done and nick/ding it up due to a sharp edge on a barrel vise. Consider powdercoating or maybe that parts dip chit that puts the rubber coating on it. (not sure how that last one would work though as it'll change the fit of the collets/hardware.

    Build it once and as if your grandkids are going to get it.


    Good luck.

    C.
     

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    One of the area smiths has a 20 press with lead plates with a couple different grooves in them. He has been spinning barrels off with it for many a decades. I built mine similar to chads because I thought mels was too hilbilly. It ain't much to look at, but it works good with no fuss. I do keep lead flashing handy to fit odd barrels.
     

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    Build it once and as if your grandkids are going to get it.

    Mr Dixon, that's a piece of advise for making gunbuilding tools if I ever heard one.

    I too made my barrel vise very stoutly and have never rgretted it. Bore the halves for an an easily available size of collet stock like 3".

    I mount mine in a 40 Ton Carolina press, along with a lot of other things. It is a very secure holding device and you can find them used for little more than the price of a good vise. I got mine for $500 and it looked like it had been used once or twice.
     

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    I have a brand new floor with radiant heat. I was too chicken to drill holes and install lag bolts. I scuffed/cleaned the floor and the bottom of the plate with a 90* grinder and roloc disk. I then mixed up some acraglass liquid resin and glued the base to the floor.

    I fear I may never be able to remove it. It's pretty stout.



    Please post photo of stand
     

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    in the pic it shows aluminum blocks but it is missing a steelplate on top of them
    simple but it works.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 671RTO9513</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Build it once and as if your grandkids are going to get it.

    Mr Dixon, that's a piece of advise for making gunbuilding tools if I ever heard one.

    I too made my barrel vise very stoutly and have never rgretted it. Bore the halves for an an easily available size of collet stock like 3".

    I mount mine in a 40 Ton Carolina press, along with a lot of other things. It is a very secure holding device and you can find them used for little more than the price of a good vise. I got mine for $500 and it looked like it had been used once or twice. </div></div>

    can you ellaborate on what you mean by collet stock?
     

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    I have a press. not sure how to mount it in press or what size hole or groove to drill for a universal fit on the barrels. any body got any pics or drawing they can share> Great ideas so far so keep em coming please!!!!
     

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    My barrel vise system has evolved to get a grip on the barrel adequate for 600 foot pounds of torque for old rusted up surplus rifles. [After having snapped off a number of grade five 1/2-13 bolts]
    I put two steel blocks, 2"x2"x6" on the face plate of the lathe, gapping the two blocks with a 0.125" spacer. I then drill and bore a 1.5" hole.
    The vise is drilled and tapped for 1/2-13 threads on the bottom of the bottom block, to clamp to a 1/2" thick steel bench top.
    The top of the bottom block is drilled and tapped for 7/8-14 threads.
    The top block is clearanced for 7/8-14 threaded rod.
    I buy 1.5" diameter 6061 Aluminum round stock from MSC in 6 foot lengths. From this I make collets. Some of them are internally tapered to match the barrel shank's taper.
    The 7/8-14 nuts are tightened with a 3/4" drive socket wrench with a 16" handle, and I pull on that wrench as hard as I can. That pencils out to a clamping force of ~100,000 pounds. Meanwhile the shear at the barrel- collet interface at the threshold of slipping is ~15,000 pounds. That mean we have a lousy coefficient of friction [remember, from grade school?], so I put powdered sugar there.
    Here is a video where I measure the torque needed to unscrew a 91/30 barrel after 73 years. You can skip the 1 minute video, the answer is 540 foot pounds.
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    Q: How long does it take a 60 year old man to hack saw through 2"x2" pieces of steel?
    A: 10 minutes for the first cut, 20 minutes for the second cut.
     

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    wow, very nice. I wish i had access to a lathe but i dont. any other ideas out there? just need something simple for a remington 700 sporter weight barrel. probably wont use it more than 2*3 times.eed ideas on an action wrench to...
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdbfish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wow, very nice. I wish i had access to a lathe but i dont. any other ideas out there? just need something simple for a remington 700 sporter weight barrel. probably wont use it more than 2*3 times.eed ideas on an action wrench to... </div></div>

    without machine tools, my recommendation is to buy the wrench and vise.
     

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    Drill the size hole you want in the aluminum block. Drill the clamping bolt holes.
    Cut it in half with a hack saw jig saw or bandsaw. After having numerous gunsmiths
    tell me they couldn't turn my SAA barrel without marring it I built one. Aluminum
    won't mar the barrel (if it's not painted) I had to flair the ends on an adjustable reamer to match the barrel taper on the pistol. I mount the thing in my floor mounted vise. My frame wrench is a couple of flat plates with inserts I made out
    of bondo over saran wrap on the SAA frame itself.
     

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    I made one from 2 railroad plates, oak blocks, with lead shims. It's pretty redneck, but works OK. I put bolts through all of the holes. Once, I still couldn't get it to bite, so I put an extra bench vice on it, as well.
    No machine tools required.
    I've upgraded since then, but I've still got the oak blocks laying around.
    CW
     

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    If a barrel vise gets Aluminum onto bluing, often rubbing Alcohol on a Q-tip gets it off.
     

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    I use wooden blocks and my 12 ton shop press(made for automotive work,ball joints etc)
     

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    where do u grip the barrel with the blocks and what size hole? do u make the hole the same size or smaller than the od of barrel?
     

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    Now I just need to bolt it to the floor. Seems to work pretty well, haven't had any problems taking barrels off or putting them on.

    Kc
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugsly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

    Now I just need to bolt it to the floor. Seems to work pretty well, haven't had any problems taking barrels off or putting them on.

    Kc</div></div> Chad is your stand like this one ? If so I am impressed that acra glass is all that is holding it to the floor.
     

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    anybody have pics of one in use? i just need something for 1 time use. something simple and inexpensive. something i can make out of 4x4x6 aluminum block or wood....
     

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    wow very nice but i need something i can build with a hacksaw and a drill press, etc... may not be possible
     

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    Good God Chad. Anything worth building is worth building on a CNC... Damn perfectionists.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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    Nothing to say but envy, lol
     

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    try the search function, there is a thread on this with a bunch of home brewed stuff. i made mine for under $20 if that. used stuff i had around and only had to but nuts and springs. it wasnt an everyday use item, and im a cheap bastard.

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