Anyone elses Gun clubs getting shut down. 2 with in 10 days.

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I live in North east Ohio and have two gun clubs that are with in about 2 hours of me. They both are geared for PRS style events. In fact they sometimes combine events. Two different people running them. The both shut down with out reason with in about 10 days of each other. This is Rockland Precision PA and Southington Huntclub in Ohio.


Anyone else recently have a range shut down.
 

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    I live in North east Ohio and have two gun clubs that are with in about 2 hours of me. They both are geared for PRS style events. In fact they sometimes combine events. Two different people running them. The both shut down with out reason with in about 10 days of each other. This is Rockland Precision PA and Southington Huntclub in Ohio.


    Anyone else recently have a range shut down.
    What...In...The...Actual...Fuck

    Thunder Valley and Rayner's are both open and running. Rayner's is actively hosting club level PRS and PRS22 matches.
     

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    I just heard about the SHC events being cancelled. That really bums me out. I enjoyed the NRL-X match there and was looking forward to going to more matches there when I return to Ohio a few times a year to visit family.
     

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    Very sorry to hear about this, for all those affected that now have nowhere near to go shoot. Unfortunately, this almost always seems to happen when clubs are on leased land. Lease landlords see success and get greedy, leading to ever increasing lease costs that cannot be recovered and still stay in business.

    Ultimately, if a club does not own the land that they are on, it is inevitable that there will eventually be issues of some sort.
     

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    Ya both these clubs were good venues. Greed is typically at fault. Greed from both sides of the aisle in some cases.
     

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    Scheduled and paid for matches at both and learned of the news.
    Shitty any way you look at it considering both were excellent facilities and the MD's running them are top notch.
    Be interesting to see what happens and what / where things are scheduled in the future. Lot of MI, PA, and OH shooters waiting to see.
     
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    Could be greed or the landowners insurance company found out about it. I’m just guessing but I can’t imagine at this time and day that insurance companies would want anything to do with it. I live in Florida and it’s pretty much illegal to own a trampoline. If your carrier finds out you have one on your property they will cancel you immediately.

    Worked in a fab shop years ago and one of the fabricators made his own wood stove. Underwriter would give him a policy until it was removed or replaced with one that was made by a manufacturer.
     
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    I feel your pain. I'm here in north east Ohio. Sucks absolutely SUCKS !!!!!
     

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    The NRA offers range insurance that is essentially bomb proof after the first year. Where I shoot is constantly under attack with lawsuits and complaints.

    100% not owning the land is the issue
     
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    I don't know shoot there all the time. Sunday they had .22 match, CCW classes, they were even doing some type of shooting from a vehicle training there that day. Monday morning all events closed for the rest of the year. Southington is also a very popular 4 wheel drive park. Rock crawling , all kind of trails, we always had to split time with those people. There would be jeeps all over the place on some weekends. I hope it is not permanent. The PRS matches there are extremely well run MD is first class. Hard to find places with that type of landscape really ideal with the rock wall . They did so much work there this year really nice. Truly making this the worst year ever.
     
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    the NE Finals were scheduled for southington. a bunch of shooters have paid for matches at both Rockland and southington.

    something needs to change in the PRS to mandate MD's to hold escrow for canceled matches so shooters can get their refund. this bullshit of canx matches and no money to be seen is borderline class action lawsuit material
     

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    The canceled one day match at Rockland is now back on for Oct 17th.
     

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    something needs to change in the PRS to mandate MD's to hold escrow for canceled matches so shooters can get their refund. this bullshit of canx matches and no money to be seen is borderline class action lawsuit material
    So do I understand correctly that the Nov 14th match is cancelled but people aren't getting refunds?
     

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    So do I understand correctly that the Nov 14th match is cancelled but people aren't getting refunds?
    I was saying this in a general format. I am not sure since the Nov 14th was supposed to be our NE Region Finale

    edit - looks like Rockland is up and running and now will be hosting the regionals. its under their practiscore page ..
     
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    I was saying this in a general format. I am not sure since the Nov 14th was supposed to be our NE Region Finale

    edit - looks like Rockland is up and running and now will be hosting the regionals. its under their practiscore page ..
    I haven't heard anything about refunds for the two day match at Southington that was cancelled.
     
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    I haven't heard anything about refunds for the two day match at Southington that was cancelled.
    Matt said he was posting about it last night on FB but I didn't see anything after that.
    Detail seem to slowly trickle in at this point. A little frustrating, but I guess we're not sitting at home on Oct. 17th.
     

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    It really doesn't build much trust In the NE region
    Lotta bros waiting on emails that go unanswered.
    It's a black holes in this area. Hope they can get their shit straight, but alot of the WNY crew aren't looking to give money away until communication gets better.
     

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    Lets remember that both Matt and Ken where essentially blind sided. Both are working through the details and both have other full time jobs. You throwing out a comment about building trust pretty much shows your ignorance. Matt and Ken both are stand up guys. Did you talk to either one of them. Nope did not think so. Both are working on things and working things out. They also help each other out. In the end, it will be some epic shooting.
     

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    Ahhhh how can u talk to people who don't return emails. We all know it was a surprise. If trust in the NE region has been lowered that is an effect of this happening. Some people can't make the new dates and that makes them hesitant to pay for matches in the future. That's how it is . If ur feelings got hurt cuz ur buddies . I don't know what to tell you.
    If you got information you could kick it out if you talked to them. We are all waiting.
     

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    Actually I am not buddies. I have shot there matches and have dealt with them collecting information. As far as there communication with you, I can not answer. Matt is on face book and responds very quickly. If you are sending an email to southington which you probably are, remember Matt no long works with them. Which simply means he is not getting your email.
     

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    Ahhhh how can u talk to people who don't return emails. We all know it was a surprise. If trust in the NE region has been lowered that is an effect of this happening. Some people can't make the new dates and that makes them hesitant to pay for matches in the future. That's how it is . If ur feelings got hurt cuz ur buddies . I don't know what to tell you.
    If you got information you could kick it out if you talked to them. We are all waiting.
    I hope when this all gets straightened out you will get back on this public forum and talk about what a little bitch you are being right now.
     

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    I hope when this all gets straightened out you will get back on this public forum and talk about what a little bitch you are being right now.
    thats a big ooof, especially if you realized who the fuck your dealing with... which you clearly dont.. so you get a pass... my man has serious concerns that are not being addressed and for you, who ever the fuck you think you are, to dismiss them as nothing, shows how insignificant you are.
     
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    It's the internet ...people feel free to talk tall . It's how kids are these days.
    Anyhew. .. region in turmoil . We will see what spring brings. Fresh flowers , cool breezes . Maybe ranges maybe not I guess!
     
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    Rockland is back up and running, though the 2-day match that was (re)scheduled for this weekend coming up is still a lost cause unfortunately. Ken said there won’t be anymore issues going forward and we can only hope that’s the case.

    Stiner has been working on another range somewhere in OH I believe but he’s been pretty tight lipped about details until it’s finalized. Either way, it sounds like he should be back up and running soon as well.

    As others have said, both are stand-up guys with plenty of support in the region. If you don’t want to shoot their matches then don’t.
     

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    I hope when this all gets straightened out you will get back on this public forum and talk about what a little bitch you are being right now.
    So matches have been cancelled all year, no refunds, no communication and that’s your response?
     

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    thats a big ooof, especially if you realized who the fuck your dealing with... which you clearly dont.. so you get a pass... my man has serious concerns that are not being addressed and for you, who ever the fuck you think you are, to dismiss them as nothing, shows how insignificant you are.
    I am as insignificant as they come. I have done enough other types of thankless work to know when shit goes wrong you get people that stand up and help and people that stand up and bitch. I have no idea what happened or what went wrong but I do know it will get made right and you guys know that too. Getting on a public forum and calling out an entire region isn't helpful.
     
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    So matches have been cancelled all year, no refunds, no communication and that’s your response?
    I have had plenty of communication. Only one match would have been paid for, so your All year comment is designed to be like the CNN reporting on Trump. Next there is enough people stating that things are moving in the right direction.

    @salks have you paid for a match there and not had any communication. Or are you talking for the one guy, who has stated that he has not had communication?
     

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    Full disclosure, I have no association with either, other than being a PRS shooter at their facilities.

    X2 for Comms. They've been spot on. Any time I've contacted Matt or Ken regarding the delays, match reschedule, etc. They've been johny on the spot. While not always having answers due to shit getting worked out, they've always answered DMs or emails with little delay. As of now, matches are rescheduled, or refunds have been given. They've been very straightforward and clear on that.

    Finally, if you think you can run a better range for PRS matches in the region because others have failed, well, get after it. Go secure property, insurance, props, equipment, staff, logistics, etc. We'll be here waiting.
     

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    I have had plenty of communication. Only one match would have been paid for, so your All year comment is designed to be like the CNN reporting on Trump. Next there is enough people stating that things are moving in the right direction.

    @salks have you paid for a match there and not had any communication. Or are you talking for the one guy, who has stated that he has not had communication?
    I'm good. Tanks for asking.
     

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    thats a big ooof, especially if you realized who the fuck your dealing with... which you clearly dont.. so you get a pass... my man has serious concerns that are not being addressed and for you, who ever the fuck you think you are, to dismiss them as nothing, shows how insignificant you are.
    Shit, now I'm curious who this guy is.
     
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    So is rifle shooting at Southington done for good?

    I don't go on Facebook
     

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    Thx Ryan. Lol my wife says I'm not allowed to post anymore cuz I get angry and have to go see the WIZARD . BLABLA don't get cops called on you ....AGAIN.. brrrrrrt I hate civilians I have no clue how to communicate in their language.
     

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    Thx Ryan. Lol my wife says I'm not allowed to post anymore cuz I get angry and have to go see the WIZARD . BLABLA don't get cops called on you ....AGAIN.. brrrrrrt I hate civilians I have no clue how to communicate in their language.
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    @ C Renz. If your wife had to stop telling you to stop talking to people. Don’t go see a wizard. See a shrink. What match have you not been compensated for. I will make sure it happens.
     

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    Lease landlords see success and get greedy, leading to ever increasing lease costs that cannot be recovered and still stay in business.
    I can go into detail, but anything that has to do with guns and land in the same sentence usually doesn't equate to any type of huge financial success. I've been there and done that. If anyone makes any real money, it's the liability insurance carrier and/or underwriters. We've done everything from teaching CC/LTC to leasing to hunters on our place. I could tell you stories, and none of them are about getting rich.
     
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    It was great to be back shooting at Rockland this past weekend! The POPRC finale is going to be held there on Nov 14th too.
     

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    the NE Finals were scheduled for southington. a bunch of shooters have paid for matches at both Rockland and southington.

    something needs to change in the PRS to mandate MD's to hold escrow for canceled matches so shooters can get their refund. this bullshit of canx matches and no money to be seen is borderline class action lawsuit material
    Feel free to PM me your name and I can check on your refund. Sorry it took awhile. Anyways things are running through the end of the year. I believe there’s 24 people left to be refunded out of the 2 day match that I had to cancel at Rockland. Sorry but it’s a new range and money coming in was getting reinvested in the property. The last 24 people will be refunded within the next few weeks. Refunds are taking 5-10 days to get back to the shooters account.

    If I can answer any other questions about Rockland let me know.

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    And just to clarify I entered into this venture of opening a range out of the passion I have for long range shooting and wanting to open a facility that shooters can come to and enjoy. Making money was the drive behind what I have done or continue to do.

    Yes Match fees were reinvested into the range to help with putting on great matches. Not ideal, I get that and I apologize it’s taken awhile to getRefunds processed. Being a new range and hardly any money to invest made range improvements impossible without the match fees. So yes a big portion of the 2 day fees went into the new Moving target system. I’m pretty sure the shooters enjoyed the match on the 17th and hopefully everyone can get past the point
    That it took a little while to get their refund. Don’t worry every single shooter will receive a refund in full.

    Hopefully that sheds a little more light on the refunds. I know its impossible to make everyone happy but I’m sure 98% of the shooters understand.

    Ken
     

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    It really doesn't build much trust In the NE region
    Lotta bros waiting on emails that go unanswered.
    It's a black holes in this area. Hope they can get their shit straight, but alot of the WNY crew aren't looking to give money away until communication gets better.
    Hey man, if you’re waiting on a email from me I apologize. I believe I responded to most of the ones I got. I said most because I got a ton of messages and emails over the last 3 weeks and maybe I missed one. If your waiting on a refund from the 2 day shoot PM me your name and I can check to see if yours was processed yet. I agree with you the last few weeks have been a complete shit show.

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    And just to clarify I entered into this venture of opening a range out of the passion I have for long range shooting and wanting to open a facility that shooters can come to and enjoy. Making money was the drive behind what I have done or continue to do.

    Yes Match fees were reinvested into the range to help with putting on great matches. Not ideal, I get that and I apologize it’s taken awhile to getRefunds processed. Being a new range and hardly any money to invest made range improvements impossible without the match fees. So yes a big portion of the 2 day fees went into the new Moving target system. I’m pretty sure the shooters enjoyed the match on the 17th and hopefully everyone can get past the point
    That it took a little while to get their refund. Don’t worry every single shooter will receive a refund in full.

    Hopefully that sheds a little more light on the refunds. I know its impossible to make everyone happy but I’m sure 98% of the shooters understand.

    Ken
    Honestly, if it was me, but it isn't, after reading your post, I would consider it a donation and forget about it.

    Investing in the future and the sport should be fine imho.
     
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    Hey man, if you’re waiting on a email from me I apologize. I believe I responded to most of the ones I got. I said most because I got a ton of messages and emails over the last 3 weeks and maybe I missed one. If your waiting on a refund from the 2 day shoot PM me your name and I can check to see if yours was processed yet. I agree with you the last few weeks have been a complete shit show.

    Ken

    It's almost time for the chief complainer to post it was handled exactly like some on here said it would be.

    Nice job range guy 👍