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F T/R Competition Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
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Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
Do you have a link so we can print it , or is there a way to print that one?
Do you have a link so we can print it , or is there a way to print that one?
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chavezz556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have a link so we can print it , or is there a way to print that one? </div></div>
right click with your mouse, save image (somewhere easy to find it), open with what ever media/picture viewer software on your computer, print it out.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chavezz556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have a link so we can print it , or is there a way to print that one? </div></div>
right click with your mouse, save image (somewhere easy to find it), open with what ever media/picture viewer software on your computer, print it out.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
Or drag it to the desktop if you're using a Mac. It's a jpeg file. Alternatively, you <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> actually download the Highpower Rulebook pdf that contains all the pertinent F-Class Rules/Regs from the NRA, which has this image in it.
Or drag it to the desktop if you're using a Mac. It's a jpeg file. Alternatively, you <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> actually download the Highpower Rulebook pdf that contains all the pertinent F-Class Rules/Regs from the NRA, which has this image in it.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
OK, I've never shot at a range that has pits for marking targets, how do you know the difference between a X or a 6, and a 10 and a 5?
OK, I've never shot at a range that has pits for marking targets, how do you know the difference between a X or a 6, and a 10 and a 5?
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
the scoring disc(s) are used in conjunction with a spotter disc marking the actual location of the shot. very easy once you get to use it or see it in action.
the scoring disc(s) are used in conjunction with a spotter disc marking the actual location of the shot. very easy once you get to use it or see it in action.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
I was at a match in Albany on Sunday, and the scoring scheme was different. Across the bottom was 7, 8, 9, 10 (L-R). 6 at 9 o'clock, X at 3 O'clock---no 5. 600 yd centers on the LR paper. We were shooting with Palma shooters on the right side of the line, maybe our scoring was compatible with Palma???
I was at a match in Albany on Sunday, and the scoring scheme was different. Across the bottom was 7, 8, 9, 10 (L-R). 6 at 9 o'clock, X at 3 O'clock---no 5. 600 yd centers on the LR paper. We were shooting with Palma shooters on the right side of the line, maybe our scoring was compatible with Palma???
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
There is no 5 at 600 or less.
The scheme you describe is the one that was rescinded at the end of last year.
Before we went to that scheme (with 4 scoring positions at the bottom) in 2009, the scheme was the same as it is now but with the 11 o'clock position representing a 6 and the 1 o'clock was a 5 for LR. The miss was at 12 o'clock. The newer schemes eliminate the use of the positions at the top of the target borad; this is good from short people, (less than 6') and to keep hands from being exposed.
There is no 5 at 600 or less.
The scheme you describe is the one that was rescinded at the end of last year.
Before we went to that scheme (with 4 scoring positions at the bottom) in 2009, the scheme was the same as it is now but with the 11 o'clock position representing a 6 and the 1 o'clock was a 5 for LR. The miss was at 12 o'clock. The newer schemes eliminate the use of the positions at the top of the target borad; this is good from short people, (less than 6') and to keep hands from being exposed.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean Hagerty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, I've never shot at a range that has pits for marking targets, how do you know the difference between a X or a 6, and a 10 and a 5? </div></div>
In the pits, you will generally have some type of ammo box (or similar) that has rolls of round or rectangular pasters in both black and white. These are used to cover up the previous bullet hole in the target so that you can accurately record each new shot. The location of the hole (ie. is it on one of the white lines or outside or the scoring black? Or is it in the black part of the target face) tells you which color paster to use to cover the previous bullet hole.
The ammo box will also have some large scoring discs (~4-5" diameter) and some smaller shot marker discs (~2-3" diameter). The scoring discs are usually fluorescent orange, whereas the shot marker discs are white on one side and black on the other. All of the discs will have a spindle through the middle that holds it in the target face. If a shot is in the scoring black, the white side of the shot marker should be turned out so that the competitor/scorer can see it easily. Similarly, if the shot is in the white outside of the scoring black, turn the black side out. The scoring disc(s) are placed in the hole above the correct scoring number as shown in the image I posted above. In the case where there are two numbers (X/6 or 10/5), the position of <span style="font-style: italic">both the shot marker and the scoring disc</span> will allow the competitor/scorer to determine whether the shot was an "X" or a "6", for example.
After a competitor has fired (watch for the dirt splash behind the target you're pulling to know when your competitor has fired), I like run the target down, pull the shot marker first, cover the hole, and place it in the new hole (correct color side out). Then I move the scoring disc to its new number (or leave it where it is if the score was the same as the previous shot). Finally, run the target back up.
Ideally, you want to score/mark the target and get it back up in under 10 seconds; really good pullers can do it in more like 6-8 seconds. If the target stands are in good working order, it's not too difficult to to do. If they're extremely rusty/gummy, or poorly balanced, it's more difficult to do it quickly. Depending on the skill level of competitor and wind, it also takes longer if you have to look all over the target to find the new hole, particularly at 1000 yd events. With a little experience, you can usually get a pretty good idea of where to look for the hole from where the dirt splash behind the target frame was located. If you're interested, below is a link to a 3-part video showing target pulling techniques. FWIW, I have no connection to these videos whatsoever (LOL).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSU2oa5Rs1I
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean Hagerty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, I've never shot at a range that has pits for marking targets, how do you know the difference between a X or a 6, and a 10 and a 5? </div></div>
In the pits, you will generally have some type of ammo box (or similar) that has rolls of round or rectangular pasters in both black and white. These are used to cover up the previous bullet hole in the target so that you can accurately record each new shot. The location of the hole (ie. is it on one of the white lines or outside or the scoring black? Or is it in the black part of the target face) tells you which color paster to use to cover the previous bullet hole.
The ammo box will also have some large scoring discs (~4-5" diameter) and some smaller shot marker discs (~2-3" diameter). The scoring discs are usually fluorescent orange, whereas the shot marker discs are white on one side and black on the other. All of the discs will have a spindle through the middle that holds it in the target face. If a shot is in the scoring black, the white side of the shot marker should be turned out so that the competitor/scorer can see it easily. Similarly, if the shot is in the white outside of the scoring black, turn the black side out. The scoring disc(s) are placed in the hole above the correct scoring number as shown in the image I posted above. In the case where there are two numbers (X/6 or 10/5), the position of <span style="font-style: italic">both the shot marker and the scoring disc</span> will allow the competitor/scorer to determine whether the shot was an "X" or a "6", for example.
After a competitor has fired (watch for the dirt splash behind the target you're pulling to know when your competitor has fired), I like run the target down, pull the shot marker first, cover the hole, and place it in the new hole (correct color side out). Then I move the scoring disc to its new number (or leave it where it is if the score was the same as the previous shot). Finally, run the target back up.
Ideally, you want to score/mark the target and get it back up in under 10 seconds; really good pullers can do it in more like 6-8 seconds. If the target stands are in good working order, it's not too difficult to to do. If they're extremely rusty/gummy, or poorly balanced, it's more difficult to do it quickly. Depending on the skill level of competitor and wind, it also takes longer if you have to look all over the target to find the new hole, particularly at 1000 yd events. With a little experience, you can usually get a pretty good idea of where to look for the hole from where the dirt splash behind the target frame was located. If you're interested, below is a link to a 3-part video showing target pulling techniques. FWIW, I have no connection to these videos whatsoever (LOL).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSU2oa5Rs1I
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">600 yd centers on the LR paper</div></div>
That right there should be your hint... the match director was too lazy/obstinate to put the right centers up.
The scoring system you describe sounds like the 'old' System 'B' or 'International' scoring system from last year's rules - it was optional, they could use system 'A' or 'B'. This year's rules... there's only the one way, as described earlier in this thread.
On LR (iron sight) target, there is no '5'. We have been fighting similar B.S. at a local range... they wouldn't put a spot on the targets for a '5', effectively screwing the F-Class guys (especially F/TR) if the wind switches (which it does, frequently) and you get caught out for a 'M'iss instead of a 5. Don't know about you, but I'd rather have a half a miss than a whole one!
I really hope they don't turn in those scores... cuz it sounds like you got hosed, using the wrong targets, wrong scoring system, improper setup of t the scoring system on the targets... plenty of grounds for a protest, or at least a call to put a bug in the ear of whom ever is in charge of your state HP Rifle program...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">600 yd centers on the LR paper</div></div>
That right there should be your hint... the match director was too lazy/obstinate to put the right centers up.
The scoring system you describe sounds like the 'old' System 'B' or 'International' scoring system from last year's rules - it was optional, they could use system 'A' or 'B'. This year's rules... there's only the one way, as described earlier in this thread.
On LR (iron sight) target, there is no '5'. We have been fighting similar B.S. at a local range... they wouldn't put a spot on the targets for a '5', effectively screwing the F-Class guys (especially F/TR) if the wind switches (which it does, frequently) and you get caught out for a 'M'iss instead of a 5. Don't know about you, but I'd rather have a half a miss than a whole one!
I really hope they don't turn in those scores... cuz it sounds like you got hosed, using the wrong targets, wrong scoring system, improper setup of t the scoring system on the targets... plenty of grounds for a protest, or at least a call to put a bug in the ear of whom ever is in charge of your state HP Rifle program...
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</div></div>
Bull.
Check the rule book... Section 22, sub-section 4.6
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center
based on the MR-1 target for use at 600
yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.00
Rings in white (inches)
5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</div></div>
Bull.
Check the rule book... Section 22, sub-section 4.6
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center
based on the MR-1 target for use at 600
yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.00
Rings in white (inches)
5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00
</pre></div></div>
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</span></div></div>
Someone was saying the same thing about the targets at a 1000 yd match I attended a few weeks ago. I understand fully that if you actually get a five, you're probably not going to be on the winner's podium, but according to the rules, a competitor <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> get a five at 600 or 1000 yd F-Class competitions:
4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center based on the MR-1 target for use at 600 yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
Rings in white (inches)
<span style="color: #FF6666">5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00</span>
4.7 800, 900, and 1000 Yard Target
NRA No LRFC - F-Class Target Center based on the LR target for use at 1000 yards.. To be pasted over the
LR target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 10.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44.00
Rings in white (inches)
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60.00
<span style="color: #FF0000">5 area . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72x72 Sq</span>
Edit: I just read Monte's reply, so it's not just me. Hearing someone make that statement at the recent match rather annoyed me because A) the rules say different, and B) there might have actually been a (beginner) competitor on that lane that got zeroes for being on target but just outside of the black, when they <span style="font-style: italic">should</span> have been fives. It could make a big difference in the person's match rating.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</span></div></div>
Someone was saying the same thing about the targets at a 1000 yd match I attended a few weeks ago. I understand fully that if you actually get a five, you're probably not going to be on the winner's podium, but according to the rules, a competitor <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> get a five at 600 or 1000 yd F-Class competitions:
4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center based on the MR-1 target for use at 600 yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
Rings in white (inches)
<span style="color: #FF6666">5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00</span>
4.7 800, 900, and 1000 Yard Target
NRA No LRFC - F-Class Target Center based on the LR target for use at 1000 yards.. To be pasted over the
LR target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 10.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 44.00
Rings in white (inches)
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60.00
<span style="color: #FF0000">5 area . . . . . . . . . . . . . 72x72 Sq</span>
Edit: I just read Monte's reply, so it's not just me. Hearing someone make that statement at the recent match rather annoyed me because A) the rules say different, and B) there might have actually been a (beginner) competitor on that lane that got zeroes for being on target but just outside of the black, when they <span style="font-style: italic">should</span> have been fives. It could make a big difference in the person's match rating.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
One of our local ranges... unfortunately the one with the 'scoring problem'... has 3 main wind conditions. One of which is switching from 10 to approx. 1:30, and the other from about 7:30 to approx. 5 o'clock. Throw in wind speeds gusting from 10-25mph... and a '5' vs. a 'M'iss may save your bacon.
We actually have what we call a 'Rattlesnake Clean' - where all the targets go down (because everyone on the line is trying to time the switch and tend to shoot together) and they *all* come up marked 'M'iss. Happens every couple years, usually during the spring matches. Ironically... usually on the HM relay
Fives become a little more precious to you under those circumstances...
One of our local ranges... unfortunately the one with the 'scoring problem'... has 3 main wind conditions. One of which is switching from 10 to approx. 1:30, and the other from about 7:30 to approx. 5 o'clock. Throw in wind speeds gusting from 10-25mph... and a '5' vs. a 'M'iss may save your bacon.
We actually have what we call a 'Rattlesnake Clean' - where all the targets go down (because everyone on the line is trying to time the switch and tend to shoot together) and they *all* come up marked 'M'iss. Happens every couple years, usually during the spring matches. Ironically... usually on the HM relay
Fives become a little more precious to you under those circumstances...
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</div></div>
Bull.
Check the rule book... Section 22, sub-section 4.6
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center
based on the MR-1 target for use at 600
yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.00
Rings in white (inches)
5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00
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Pardon my brain fart. It's the LR target that does not have a 5 ring; it's anything on the board not in a ring.
This age thing is getting old.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no 5 at 600 or less.</div></div>
Bull.
Check the rule book... Section 22, sub-section 4.6
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>4.6 600 Yard Targets -
NRA No. MR-1FC - F-Class target Center
based on the MR-1 target for use at 600
yards. To be pasted over the MR-1 target.
Aiming Black (inches)
X ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.00
10 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.00
9 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.00
8 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00
7 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 24.00
6 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 36.00
Rings in white (inches)
5 ring . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.00
</pre></div></div> </div></div>
Pardon my brain fart. It's the LR target that does not have a 5 ring; it's anything on the board not in a ring.
This age thing is getting old.
Re: Anyone have a pic of the standard F-class scoring
Nope... some regions use a 5/V target, others use a 10/X target. ICFRA target dimensions are very slightly different, at least at reduced distances, than USA targets. The course of fire varies somewhat... some places shoot primarily fullbore (pair fire, two - or even three - to a mound) and others (including the USA) shoot mostly string-fire (block time, one person per target) although we do also shoot Fullbore here at some events. The number of shots per string vary, from as few as 7 rounds plus convertible sighters (some stages in Canada @ 300M) to unlimited sighters and 20 record shots in some stages of USA matches. It varies not just from country to country, but from one range to the next. The basic concepts are the same, but the exact details vary slightly.
Nope... some regions use a 5/V target, others use a 10/X target. ICFRA target dimensions are very slightly different, at least at reduced distances, than USA targets. The course of fire varies somewhat... some places shoot primarily fullbore (pair fire, two - or even three - to a mound) and others (including the USA) shoot mostly string-fire (block time, one person per target) although we do also shoot Fullbore here at some events. The number of shots per string vary, from as few as 7 rounds plus convertible sighters (some stages in Canada @ 300M) to unlimited sighters and 20 record shots in some stages of USA matches. It varies not just from country to country, but from one range to the next. The basic concepts are the same, but the exact details vary slightly.
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