Sorry I did mean flashdot. You read my mind...I was definitely planning on converting over to turrets both windage and elevation. I am replacing a 4-16x50 PMII on my long range hunting rifle. I like the adjustment of the PMII and the P4L fine but the illumination does not help with the visibility of the reticle during daylight at lower magnification. Not to forget, the weight is a little much to drag around the countryside. It looks like the Zenith 3-12x50 would be a good compromise. Thanks for the feedback! You're making my decision a little easier.