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Apex predators and Millenials...

In the Southeast, two leg critters are the predator to watch out for, even in black bear country. I've run up on bear in thick laurels; several hundred # of bear crashing through them and woofing is unnerving, but venomous snakes and falling are far more dangerous. We have a lot of bobcat around here. I may be fooling myself, but I'm pretty sure I could kick a bobcat's ass, although I would expect to look like I just fought a barbwire fence.
 
In the Southeast, two leg critters are the predator to watch out for, even in black bear country. I've run up on bear in thick laurels; several hundred # of bear crashing through them and woofing is unnerving, but venomous snakes and falling are far more dangerous. We have a lot of bobcat around here. I may be fooling myself, but I'm pretty sure I could kick a bobcat's ass, although I would expect to look like I just fought a barbwire fence.

I watched a 35 pound bobcat take down and kill a 105 pound healthy doe....
But 150 grains was terminal for the bobcat.
 
Well it's worth a repost. Forgot I had this pic of one of our local boys with his kitty. We definitely got some big well fed kitties around here. Ask anyone what the cougar they spotted was doing when they spotted it. Watching you. 99.9% of the time they have you pegged well before you see them. Think about that. And now we get to deal with Wolves. Great. :mad:


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That cat is well fed. I just wish that the environmental retards that push the wolf agenda and get the cat hunting banned would have to deal with these things. as such I mean that the wolves and mtn lions would eat them. Too many city people deciding whats best for the rest of the state. PDX and Salem decide what the rest of Oregon does and most of the time its boneheaded. California has gone full retard and Washington has the feel gooders too. The PNW is an awesome place the Fish and Game departments just need to be properly run.
 
I guess wastes of humanity that somehow get to write the laws for some reason hate dogs.
Going out in the woods with your dogs should be a given must.
The same idiots that say you can't have your dogs chase animals are the same idiots that want there to be lots of wolves, coyotes and other such animals to do the same thing.
Domesticated dogs helped humans greatly increase their survival chances.
I really don't like people who dislike dogs and don't recognize how much dogs are an integral part of what allowed us to survive & thrive.
Take a good pack of decent sized hunting dogs with you (like 10) and most apex predators start to get second thoughts about coming after you.
 
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Some dog hunters are pure asshole. Redneck assholes will turn out at tiny pieces of property knowing that they'll tree miles away on someone else. They feel entitled to hunt whatever land their dogs are on, stomp down fences, whatever. I love dogs, ran coon dogs for years, but I've dropped a hammer on several dogs because their owner was a redneck asshole. If the laws were different I would have gladly shot them instead, but that's not the case so the dog paid the price.
 
Had an cougar encounter of my own in WA.
An old buddy and I were up to no good hanging around an old abandoned park one night. Boose was involved, both of us were armed. One trail in and one trail out. On the way out, forest on the left, open field on the right, I smelled a very strong smell of urine that I hadn’t smelled on the way in. Instantly, every hair on my body tried to jump off. Interestingly, I wasnt consciously thought about it being a cat.... until it growled. Ugh. Not ashamed to admit that if I had to shit or piss I would have. It growled twice. My instinct was to draw my gun and back up. Quickly. I didn’t think to run. Just to back away. Luckily my buddy did the same. Thank God neither of us ran. We backed away as far as we could and continued down the trail. Crappy part was the trail curled back under where the cat was within about 100 feet. It was a painfully long walk back to the car...
Never saw that cat but it sure left its mark.
 
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Our accountant had a pretty large bobcat that made a very determined attempt to rip into their chicken coop over the space of a couple weeks.
Got so bold it was walking across near the house in the daytime.
Eventually it gave up / got scared off.

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Grew up around big cats in the hill country down here. I never went anywhere without my pack of hounds, hell I still get uncomfortable just hiking in big cat country without dogs. If I had to choose between hounds and a gun I’d take the hounds 10 out of 10 times. I’ve even been charged by a brown bear in Alaska and a black bear I’ve also watched brown bears stalk geologists from helicopters even. Big cats, bears I don’t care they all scare the absolute shit out of me and I’m not afraid to admit it
 
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Pound for pound I think only wolverines/badgers are any better predators. Pound for pound I'll put my money on the cat EVERY time. My 6 lb. house cat will put the hurt on me like a steel trap. Trap you with their claws and start tearing with their teeth while cheese grating you with their hind claws. The cat's achilles is it's pain tolerance. Hurt the cat and it will usually retreat. Corner one and all bets are off though.

And there's LOTS of cats out there. You just don't see them very often. But they see you.
 
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Trinity alps, true Northern California, not that gay bay they like to call NorCal. Men are still men up here.

Stunning, just magnificent !.......I have heard and read of them before, but never been there. Had a good customer years ago in McKinleyville. Hope this link works to the Google Maps Panorama;

Trinity Alps
 
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Well it's worth a repost. Forgot I had this pic of one of our local boys with his kitty. We definitely got some big well fed kitties around here. Ask anyone what the cougar they spotted was doing when they spotted it. Watching you. 99.9% of the time they have you pegged well before you see them. Think about that. And now we get to deal with Wolves. Great. :mad:


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I remember this pic.
That is a big kitty.

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Stunning, just magnificent !.......I have heard and read of them before, but never been there. Had a good customer years ago in McKinleyville. Hope this link works to the Google Maps Panorama;

Trinity Alps

Yep. Amazing area. Harsh inviornment for sure. The link you posted is about 75 or so miles straight out from this picture. The game camera photo I posted is on one of the peaks just below me. It would be considered the south eastern edge of the trinities. Great hunting/shooting land.
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Here's one for you guys. This is an old friend of mine, retired USMC CWO. We PMI'ed for Pendleton back in '96, and she was a fellow competitive shooter in teh Corps. IIRC she weighed all of about 110lbs soaking wet. This cat was taken on her property after a depredation permit was received for their livestock. Talk about a big cat! BTW, she took it with a .243.

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This is her and her husband (also a retired USMC CWO) .
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Them cats get big in Wyoming, but this one is now a rug, hanging on the wall.
 
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Here's one for you guys. This is an old friend of mine, retired USMC CWO. We PMI'ed for Pendleton back in '96, and she was a fellow competitive shooter in teh Corps. IIRC she weighed all of about 110lbs soaking wet. This cat was taken on her property after a depredation permit was received for their livestock. Talk about a big cat! BTW, she took it with a .243.

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Them cats get big in Wyoming, but this one is now a rug, hanging on the wall.

That is a big cat. Might be my new favorite pic.
This thread cause me to watch "The Ghost in the Darkness" last night. Good Movie btw.
 
I've spent hundreds of days in the wildernesses of the American west, mountaineering, exploring, fishing, etc., and have seen a cougar up close just once in the wilderness - quite a few near civilization. The cat we saw in the wild was stalking us as we hiked through White River National Forest. We were climbing up some switchbacks at ~10'000' and I had that odd, creepy feeling, so I started watching our back and then saw it, above on the incline, paralleling the trail. I herded the crew onto a large boulder, pulled weapons and stared it down. After a couple of growls, it stalked off into the woods. We remained on high alert the whole trip, which was 7 days. Beautiful beast.
 
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Well it's worth a repost. Forgot I had this pic of one of our local boys with his kitty. We definitely got some big well fed kitties around here. Ask anyone what the cougar they spotted was doing when they spotted it. Watching you. 99.9% of the time they have you pegged well before you see them. Think about that. And now we get to deal with Wolves. Great. :mad:


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That is a lot of pussy there. :)
 
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One thing the environmentalist don't understand or don't care to acknowledge is that bears and cats continue to get killed regardless of the laws eliminating baiting and dogs. In Oregon any cat that shows up in populated areas is subject to elimination. Timber companies can get significant numbers of damage permits for black bear. Unfortunately, snare traps are the most common for bear. In our area, DF&G and the state police hire a guy locally for cats. The cat's patterns are established with trail cams. He sets up a tree stand and baits with small goats. Bleet-bleet -bam.

Cougar hunting in Oregon requires a cougar tag that is good year round. The state is broken up into areas with a quota. If you do kill a cougar you can almost always get a second tag because the quotas are rarely if ever filled. When dogs and bait were outlawed in 1994 the estimated cougar population was around 3200+/-. The current statewide allotment for hunting is 970. It's obvious that taking cougar is not meeting management numbers. The estimated population in 2017 was 6400. It is generally accepted that an adult cougar will eat approximately one ungulate per week. That's over 330,000 per year. The 6400 number includes juveniles which don't kill at this rate. So lets reduce the number of kills by an arbitrary number, say 30%. That's still about 233,000. In 2015 Oregon hunters killed an estimated 67,000 big game animals and that includes the large predators. You can see where this is going. None of this includes predation on livestock. It also does not include predation by bears, coyote, etc.

The vast majority of environmentalists are not hunters or fisherman. They are vouyers who don't participate in the natural world. They have no care about you, your livestock, your pets, etc. There view is that the human species doen't belong in the natural world. They are concentrated in the I5 corridor and they establish predator policy for the entire state. It's unfortunate that their decisions have almost no effect for them but they sure as hell do for me.