ARC Nucleus vs. Bighorn Origin

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Thanks dai. I really like the tenacity. It has a duller finish than the rest of the defiance line, just fished with different kind of tumbling material, I polished it slightly to see how it would look. Pretty happy with it so dont think I will do a mirror finish on it.


If only it had mechanical ejector. But with badrock rifles using this action, well variant of it, and having control round feed and mechanical ejector it might not be long before available on tenacity. But the badrock rifle itself looks like a heck of a deal on a fully build defiance based rifle. Dont think they have announced, possibly haven't sourced, the barrel manufacturer yet though.
 

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    Ran my PVA barreled nuke in a match yesterday. Ran like a fuckin raped ape with 0 failures. All the ROs kept commenting on how well it ejected my brass. It was chucking them 10ft away. Absolutely love this rifle.
     

    willicd76

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    they are both probably great values for what you get, but the nucleus is just ugly as $HIT!?
     
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    they are both probably great values for what you get, but the nucleus is just ugly as $HIT!?
    Just curious, what do you find ugly about the Nucleus? The bolt knob is replacable, other than that it looks like any other REM700
     

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    hello all I don't jump on here often but I have something to say about American Rifle Company. their product is obviously pretty amazing but one serious problem with their owner bothered me to no end. before purchasing the mausingfield I contacted Ted and asked him about a thread on the hide that mentioned an action with a shorter bolt throw. he told me it was hogwash and asked where I heard it from and I said the hide. he assured me that that was not the case and it would not happen. well I can't remember the exact time but I do still have the email, but it was like a week later he announced the nucleus. made me pretty upset that I was lied to although the mausingfield I received was fantastic. but I'm a man wear honor still matters and so does integrity. So no matter what amazing product they may come up with my hard-earned money will go elsewhere.
     

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    hello all I don't jump on here often but I have something to say about American Rifle Company. their product is obviously pretty amazing but one serious problem with their owner bothered me to no end. before purchasing the mausingfield I contacted Ted and asked him about a thread on the hide that mentioned an action with a shorter bolt throw. he told me it was hogwash and asked where I heard it from and I said the hide. he assured me that that was not the case and it would not happen. well I can't remember the exact time but I do still have the email, but it was like a week later he announced the nucleus. made me pretty upset that I was lied to although the mausingfield I received was fantastic. but I'm a man wear honor still matters and so does integrity. So no matter what amazing product they may come up with my hard-earned money will go elsewhere.

    You honestly think that he wanted to release information about a new action to a random stranger a week before the release of the Nucleus?

    You have one post here and it's to bitch about a supplier.
     

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    hello all I don't jump on here often but I have something to say about American Rifle Company. their product is obviously pretty amazing but one serious problem with their owner bothered me to no end. before purchasing the mausingfield I contacted Ted and asked him about a thread on the hide that mentioned an action with a shorter bolt throw. he told me it was hogwash and asked where I heard it from and I said the hide. he assured me that that was not the case and it would not happen. well I can't remember the exact time but I do still have the email, but it was like a week later he announced the nucleus. made me pretty upset that I was lied to although the mausingfield I received was fantastic. but I'm a man wear honor still matters and so does integrity. So no matter what amazing product they may come up with my hard-earned money will go elsewhere.

    Maybe I misread your description, but weren’t you talking about the mausingfield vs another action with a shorter throw? Could you not have just bought a nucleus?
     

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    Think he's saying he ordered a Mausingfield, and right before it shipped he asked Ted (before the Nucleus was released) about a rumor he saw on the hide of a shorter throw action from ARC, and Ted said there was nothing to it. A week later the Nucleus was released.

    So the guy is ruffled because Ted lied by keeping some of his business secrets a secret.

    I say oh well. It happens. I have friends/contacts throughout the industry and have bought stuff right before new versions or new gear comes out, too. It happens. If you were excited/happy enough to spend the money on what you got, though, then it's good enough. Things aren't always so simple that people can always tell you the truth.
     
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    ...not to mention that there are some advantages that the Mausingfield has over the Nucleus; the ability to run a .589 bolt head (and therefore the 338 LM and 338 Norma-based cases), the material from which it is made, the integrated recoil lug, DLC vs. nitrided finish, etc...

    Personally, I had a Nucleus on order when I came across an LRI group buy on a Mausingfield barreled action... so I pulled the trigger on the Mausingfield, too. A few months later I received my Nucleus, which, at this point, is still sitting in a cardboard box awaiting funds for the build. I understand that I was very fortunate to be in a position to be able to do both (and that not everyone has that capability), but I said all that to say that I have no regrets running a built Mausingfield instead of the Nucleus. I am certain that I'll be thrilled with the Nucleus as well, once I get it built.
     
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    I just ordered the Origin (lefty) the other day. They indicated an April ship date, but I'm hoping it will be sooner than that.
     

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    I just ordered the Origin (lefty) the other day. They indicated an April ship date, but I'm hoping it will be sooner than that.
    I ordered a right hand on 1/29/19 and yesterday 2/6/19 I got an email saying it’s ready to ship and call in to put down the rest. They seem to know that promising late is better than promising early. Left hand throws a wrench in that logic but they seem on the ball.
     
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    I ordered a right hand on 1/29/19 and yesterday 2/6/19 I got an email saying it’s ready to ship and call in to put down the rest. They seem to know that promising late is better than promising early. Left hand throws a wrench in that logic but they seem on the ball.

    That’s great. Wonder if they’re all caught up, or you just had impeccable timing on a recently finished run.
     

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    I ordered on 1/29/19 as well wonder if you got in on a batch or if I’ll be getting a call soon as well. I too was given an April ship date

    I ordered a right hand on 1/29/19 and yesterday 2/6/19 I got an email saying it’s ready to ship and call in to put down the rest. They seem to know that promising late is better than promising early. Left hand throws a wrench in that logic but they seem on the ball.
     

    palmettoman

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    I ordered a right hand on 1/29/19 and yesterday 2/6/19 I got an email saying it’s ready to ship and call in to put down the rest. They seem to know that promising late is better than promising early. Left hand throws a wrench in that logic but they seem on the ball.
    Cool. I was a few days behind you and ordered on 2/3. I'm in no hurry, so it's all good. I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Besides, I haven't decided what caliber I'm gonna use yet...ugh.

    Post pics!!!
     

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    its been a long time since you've guys all posted here.
    Tl3 very know action reasonable Features long term how did you like it ?
    Nucleus 2.0 is out now... looking to make a decision on witch one id truly see myself with long term.
    what are your liked & all between about both actions ?
    please give me your feed back !!!
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    its been a long time since you've guys all posted here.
    Tl3 very know action reasonable Features long term how did you like it ?
    Nucleus 2.0 is out now... looking to make a decision on witch one id truly see myself with long term.
    what are your liked & all between about both actions ?
    please give me your feed back !!!
    Thank you
    Go tl3, easy to run 90 degree bolt. My gf can't run the nucleus because the bolt lift is too heavy. I run it fine but just something to consider if you have new shooters on the gun. Go to a match and run both if you can.
     
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    Run them and see what you like. Both are excellent actions.

    My Nucleus with the lighter spring has been just fine and bolt lift on both mine are fine. One has a 16 and the other a 19.
     
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    Run them and see what you like. Both are excellent actions.

    My Nucleus with the lighter spring has been just fine and bolt lift on both mine are fine. One has a 16 and the other a 19.
    Have you placed top 10 at any matches? Usually people that i hear like the nucleus are always newish shooters.
     

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    Have you placed top 10 at any matches? Usually people that i hear like the nucleus are always newish shooters.
    I finished top 10 in the last NRL match I participated in. Have placed in the top 3 and won at several local club matches. I just bought a Nucleus 2.0 to replace my 1st Gen Mausingfield for competitions. Mausingfield is going to be a hunting rifle. I don't believe I'll see any stark improvements in performance, I just like the way the Nucleus runs and like how all of Ted's actions are made. I wanted to build a hunting rifle and think the Nucleus is better suited to competitions and the MF better suited for hunting. MF has 14,000+ rounds on it now and I still love it, just giving something else a try.

    ETA: In the grand scheme of things, when you get to the point of buying $900-1500 actions a guy is really splitting hairs and IMO it largely comes down to ergonomics and comfort more than anything. What action you run is pretty low on the pole for determining how you place.
     

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    I finished top 10 in the last NRL match I participated in. Have placed in the top 3 and won at several local club matches. I just bought a Nucleus 2.0 to replace my 1st Gen Mausingfield for competitions. Mausingfield is going to be a hunting rifle. I don't believe I'll see any stark improvements in performance, I just like the way the Nucleus runs and like how all of Ted's actions are made. I wanted to build a hunting rifle and think the Nucleus is better suited to competitions and the MF better suited for hunting. MF has 14,000+ rounds on it now and I still love it, just giving something else a try.

    ETA: In the grand scheme of things, when you get to the point of buying $900-1500 actions a guy is really splitting hairs and IMO it largely comes down to ergonomics and comfort more than anything. What action you run is pretty low on the pole for determining how you place.
    You are the first "experienced" shooter I've heard enjoy their nucleus. I legitimately hate mine and its given me constant issues. Light primer strikes until I switched it out and the bolt lift weight definitely rose. I can bang the barrel with the barloc system and have a shift in poi. Its so true, its now stated in their barloc product description. Tons of trigger issues with bixnandy but it works fine now with triggertexh.
     

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    I work as an engineer and come from a machining and rifle building background so little quirks don't get me riled. I can see how some folks could get turned off, especially hopping on the initial product releases that have issues. That said, the long action Nucleus that I have came with the 16lb spring and had about 5-10% light strikes. A 19lb spring replacement fixed everything and the bolt lift is still very acceptable. I also tried a 25lb spring and that was no good (ignition, yes, bolt lift no).

    The Barloc is a separate item. Ted has said from the beginning he wasn't a fan of the idea, and it was a bandaid solution to keep people from drilling the receiver face to run the WTO Switchlug (also less than ideal for several reasons). Anyway, a lot of pre-fit shouldered barrels are out there with the tennon cut a little longer than a guy wants (or shallower head space-- almost the same thing, to an extent), and little smaller pitch diameter, too. Neither helps. You want the barrel shoulder to at least contact the barloc (better if you have to torque it on just a smidge) to get to the correct head space. If you head space the barrel and there is still air gap between the loose barloc and the barrel before tightening the clamp screw, you will get POI shift. Likewise with the Savage nut setup, torque the nut until the wrench fits in the barloc before tightening the clamp screw. I never had any problems that way, except with a PVA prefit. I reamed that PVA barrel .007" deeper and all was right in the world; no more POI shifts with impacts. I spin up my own barrels for the most part, though, so I have the benefit of tuning stuff how I want it. Anymore I have accumulated enough stocks, scopes, actions, etc... to just have single-caliber rifles and the quick-change idea isn't so necessary nor intriguing. I just spin up shouldered barrels (no barloc).

    But back to the original point, yes. I think the Nucleus combines a lot of good features in an action that runs really well and really fast. Not in a bad price bracket, either, for the features. I'm getting it expecting to have to modify it a little bit because I'm going to run 6mm ARC (.445" case head dia.). I had to machine and fit the bolt head/extractor on the Mausingfield as well. The MF started as a .223 bolt head, luckily I may get away with just running the Valkyrie Nuke head. We'll see... If I gotta swap a spring and a cocking piece along the way, oh well.
     
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    Hang on, if the difference between who podium's and who doesn't in a PRS match is how smoothly their bolt lifts, I'm gonna bring my cheap Tikka and wipe the floor with you fuckers. Bring your wives, they'll be coming home with me. I'll show them who the King of Extraction is.
     

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    Matching be poor somewhere else while being original. You'll catch on. I can also say, found the 2 that haven't placed.🤣
    My brother never did either, and he was a combat vet 8542. Who gives a fuck about a game? Goddamn, this isn’t high school football, get a life.
     

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    I work as an engineer and come from a machining and rifle building background so little quirks don't get me riled. I can see how some folks could get turned off, especially hopping on the initial product releases that have issues. That said, the long action Nucleus that I have came with the 16lb spring and had about 5-10% light strikes. A 19lb spring replacement fixed everything and the bolt lift is still very acceptable. I also tried a 25lb spring and that was no good (ignition, yes, bolt lift no).

    The Barloc is a separate item. Ted has said from the beginning he wasn't a fan of the idea, and it was a bandaid solution to keep people from drilling the receiver face to run the WTO Switchlug (also less than ideal for several reasons). Anyway, a lot of pre-fit shouldered barrels are out there with the tennon cut a little longer than a guy wants (or shallower head space-- almost the same thing, to an extent), and little smaller pitch diameter, too. Neither helps. You want the barrel shoulder to at least contact the barloc (better if you have to torque it on just a smidge) to get to the correct head space. If you head space the barrel and there is still air gap between the loose barloc and the barrel before tightening the clamp screw, you will get POI shift. Likewise with the Savage nut setup, torque the nut until the wrench fits in the barloc before tightening the clamp screw. I never had any problems that way, except with a PVA prefit. I reamed that PVA barrel .007" deeper and all was right in the world; no more POI shifts with impacts. I spin up my own barrels for the most part, though, so I have the benefit of tuning stuff how I want it. Anymore I have accumulated enough stocks, scopes, actions, etc... to just have single-caliber rifles and the quick-change idea isn't so necessary nor intriguing. I just spin up shouldered barrels (no barloc).

    But back to the original point, yes. I think the Nucleus combines a lot of good features in an action that runs really well and really fast. Not in a bad price bracket, either, for the features. I'm getting it expecting to have to modify it a little bit because I'm going to run 6mm ARC (.445" case head dia.). I had to machine and fit the bolt head/extractor on the Mausingfield as well. The MF started as a .223 bolt head, luckily I may get away with just running the Valkyrie Nuke head. We'll see... If I gotta swap a spring and a cocking piece along the way, oh well.
    Youll have to post your match standings to be able to comment on the engineering aspects of the Nucleus in this thread, sorry.
     

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    Youll have to post your match standings to be able to comment on the engineering aspects of the Nucleus in this thread, sorry.
    The butt hurt is strong. Im sorry you never placed high in the match. Practice more.
     

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    The butt hurt is strong. Im sorry you never placed high in the match. Practice more.
    You know this is snipers hide, not benchrest or accurate shooter? I look forward to shooting in a match, but it doesn’t determine my dick size or social standing.
     

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    Have you placed top 10 at any matches? Usually people that i hear like the nucleus are always newish shooters.
    Hahahaha, thanks for bringing up the humiliation and pain of being a loser. It is the pain and embarrassment from my youth when I said that I liked my converse basketball shoes and that other kid with new Air Jordans asked me if I had won any championships.

    I finish middle of the pack at my local matches, but it has nothing to do with the action. I sucked with my Savage too. But, the Nucleus was absolutely a step up.

    That I suck doesn't change the fact that my Nucleus actions do everything I need, I don't have problems with them, and I like the features.

    I have rifles to hunt, not be a top ten finisher at PRS matches. I am 100% confident in it for any condition I see in the field.

    They are absolutely different than most out there and it is a love hate relationship. Like everything, run them and see. More people probably like the "traditional" action and won't like the feel.