The Berry Admen. requires the DoD to purchase from domestic sources, with some exceptions, but not in clothing. Are there any real American manufacturers making "tactical style" shirts/pants etc.? I really hate to purchase goods made outside the US if I don't have to, as far as I know Americans need jobs too. Any help with sources would be appreciated!!!
- Thread starter pawprint2
- Start date
I know it's not American Drop Zone Tactical is about a 15 minute drive from where I live (Edmonton, Canada).
A bit more expensive than Chinese stuff...but it's my fellow countrymen who are employed.
A bit more expensive than Chinese stuff...but it's my fellow countrymen who are employed.
There are many mfgrs who make things that are Berry compliant and also make things that are not right here in the USA. It's not necessarily a matter of it being made outside the USA but where all the materials used in making the item were made in. For example, If a mfgr makes clothes here in the USA but uses fabric, thread, seam tape, any part, that was manufactured in Canada for example, it would not be Berry complaint.
as an individual, if the item is already made in the USA, buying a Berry compliant version of the item just means you are paying more for it due to the higher costs associated with meeting all the hoops the mfgr has to jump through to meet the Gov't's requirements. If the clothing is made here in the USA but the thread used in the garment was made in another country do you feel you're not supporting US bussinesses?
TAD Gear is great and I love Raquel but I believe it's made overseas now.
^^^Sir, I understand the ins and outs of Berry Compliant, nonetheless, when you buy a compliant product, your money is going to another American, that pays taxes in American, and are your fellow citizens. There are also some goods that are "made in the USA", that are NOT Berry Compliant, the "mfgs" have their clothe cut etc. "off shore", and do "final assembly" in the US-they may say Made in USA, but not Berry Compliant-be careful what you're buying, if you care about helping Amerians. There are far to many sleeezy low life pieces of crap, that MFG one or two products in the USA, in their ads they are always touting "made in the USA", but the vast majority of their stuff is "off shore" mfg. They don't tag their off shore stuff made in USA, but they sure want to give the impression you're buying American, I call it sleezy.
I'm going to disagree. I know they have one shell that is not US, but all my other gear from them is US made.
Unless something has changed this month.
Unless something has changed this month.
Actually sir, the Berry Adm is misunderstood by most, for example in your question you brought up "the thread", but this type of thing is covered by the Berry adm, the following is from the Gov Web Site:
J.The Berry Amendment does not apply to acquisitions of end products incidentally incorporating cotton, other natural fibers, or wool, for which the estimated value of the cotton, other natural fibers, or wool- A.Is not more than 10 percent of the total price of the end product;
As long at the thread in your example wasn't more than 10% of the total price, no problem. The Berry Adm was an Acknowledgment by the Fed, that as long at they are spending American Tax Dollars on goods, those goods should be purchased from Americans paying those taxes. I think it's a good start, one of the few laws the fed has come up with in a long time, I support. In fact, I'd make it even more restrictive if I had a chance. American's need to look out for ourselves, God knows, no one else the world would look up for us.
Tactical Tailor. They don't make clothes, but they sell 'em, and they could tell you if they are US made.
What about Propper?
What about Propper?
I don't claim to be an expert on the Berry Amendment but I have had to deal with it. To summarize it all here is not feasible but I can tell you that depending on the item(s) and the product there are exact stipulations in the requirements that outline the percentages/amounts, etc. Real world example that had to be overcome by our own gov't just so we could get what we wanted made. It has since been resolved but some years back all the binding tape used in the manufacturer of parachutes in the world was and is made by a company outside of the USA and there were no other viable and or economical substitute. Therefore no one in industry could make a Berry complaint parachute. Binding tape mind you caused a years long delay and a subsequent modification to the portion of the Amendment that could not be met.
When I used thread in my previous post I prefaced it with "as an example" as most people have no idea what the Berry amendment entails and wished to provide a simple example of how anal and restrictive the Amendment is.
By law, the made in the USA label cannot be used by mfgrs unless they meet the requirements outlined to do so. As mentioned, some companies make a few items in the USA and wave the flag and shout from the roof tops MADE IN THE USA and also sell other items that are not made in the USA. I don't contest that it is kind of shady but a lot of the mfgrs out there making kit to support the warfighter make 2 lines of stuff, one for the Gov't(Berry) and one for everyone else (overseas/assembled, etc)
So to reiterate, as an individual buying Berry compliant will cost you more than and identical item made in the USA using non Berry complaint materials typically. If the identical item doesn't have a "made in the USA" tag on it then by all means buy the Berry version if thats what you choose to do.
I could be wrong-- and I really like the company so it's not meant to be a bash. It's just what I had noticed when I bought my last jacket... it said "Made in China".
I hope that's changed. Would be great.
And there is always 5:11 tactical gear.
It has, it's the only year they made that Stealth over seas, I have the same one. At the time, it was the only place "welding" could be done. Now the Stealth LT is made in Canada. All else is made in S.F., I think.
Wild Things Tactical Line: WT Tactical Outerwear, MultiCam Clothing & Gear for Military & Law Enforcement "A TRADITION OF QUALITY, MADE RIGHT HERE IN THE USA. Our WT Tactical line for the US Military is Berry Amendment compliant. This means every button, zipper, thread and fabric in our garments is made in the USA. We know of no other maker of technical outwear that can make that claim"
Buy direct from Wild Things. I found out the hard way: the facsimiles sold by Midway (and others, I'm guessing) are made in Jordan, not of the same quality, and, of course, nor Berry Compliant. I’m a big fan of the US made Wild Things gear.
Buy direct from Wild Things. I found out the hard way: the facsimiles sold by Midway (and others, I'm guessing) are made in Jordan, not of the same quality, and, of course, nor Berry Compliant. I’m a big fan of the US made Wild Things gear.
Granted you're supporting US businesses but you could be supporting more of them by going the other route. I think both should be acceptable but one is preferred over the other but if that was done the cheaper route would always be the way things go. However the thing that the govt. is supposedly looking at is that spending the money and keeping the funds in country is more cost effective for the government as a whole even if it does cost more when buying the goods. Its a totally socialistic way of doing things and thinking but there is also something to be said for supporting keeping the money domestic. I mean hell if they could they'd probably out source our wars too and just send over Chinese citizens in Chinese made clothing for less money...
~Brett
Wild Things Tactical & Otte Gear are a couple. London Bridge Trading too. Not every product by these manufacturers is Berry Compliant but they do have a good selection. Arcteryx is the same way with some BC gear but assembled in Canada. Otte Gear is like that, materials manufactured in the USA but assembled in Canada.
About the only thing I'd like to see out sourced to the peoples republic of china would be our prisons. It's a shame Americans don't look for Made in America labels as they once did-as far as I'm concerned Berry Compliant goods are good for those American's that want to work, have a job, pay taxes etc. Sure it may cost a little less to buy from a Chinese importer, now, but as our money continues to drain out of the country, the hidden costs are just starting to rear their ugly heads. BTW, the mark-up on Chinese made goods is huge- these importers-those that use to make their goods in the US, haven't lowered their prices any appreciable amount, if any. They for the most part are not "lowering prices", but rather increasing profits. This is not a free market, please don't be fooled, American companies are not given the same access to Chinese markets.
This is a good example. The LBX line made by LBT for instance is sewn/assembled in Peru.
Google the Berry Amendment and what it is and what it's intent is for a through explanation as what I have provided below is just a snippet of an explanation (bolding mine for emphasis)
The Berry Amendment (USC, Title 10, Section 2533a), requires the Department of Defense to give preference in procurement to domestically produced, manufactured, or home-grown products, most notably food, clothing, fabrics, and specialty metals. Congress originally passed domestic source restrictions as part of the 1941 Fifth Supplemental DOD Appropriations Act in order to protect the domestic industrial base in the time of war.
This was/is also to enable the US to be as self sufficient in producing goods needed for the war effort as possible. If it can be produced all in the USA there is no ability for an embargo and or political pressures from foreign countries to influence our ability to obtain materials and or maintain certain capabilities to successfully stay in the fight.
Arc'Teryx LEAF Products (not their regular line)
"Dead Bird" prices
ArcTeryx ("Dead Bird") LEAF clothing, while excellent, is SO expensive as to be truly on my "RidicuList".
Even much worse than "Patagucci" clothes.
ArcTeryx ("Dead Bird") LEAF clothing, while excellent, is SO expensive as to be truly on my "RidicuList".
Even much worse than "Patagucci" clothes.
