Are used gun sellers delusional?

[Wannashootit]

Maybe I'm missing something...
I'm looking for a Stevens 200 or Savage action to build a rifle...

A brand NIB, Stevens 200 sells for $320 including shipping to my LGS.

The least expensive used ones listed start at $260 and some are starting at MORE than the new ones sell for.


Same story with the Savages... a Model 10 can be had new in the $500-$600 range, and they're asking the same prices for the used ones.


Now, when it comes to glass, I can see that quality used glass could sell for close to new...but a rifle?? Would any of you pay nearly new price for a used production rifle- especially considering you have no way to veryify it's history? Maybe it's me that's nuts...

I think I'm just gonna bit the bullet, buy the new rifle, and sell the factory barrel and stock for whatever I can get. Because, as I've mentioned here before (another thing that doesn't make sense) a new action costs as much as a new rifle...

 

[pyplynr]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Call Jim at Northland shooter supply. IIRC he has new Stevens actions for $230

 

[RollinCoal11]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

If the used price is anywhere near the new price then why not buy new. Thats the way I think

 

[RFutch]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

No they are not. They are trying to make money. There are a LOT of people who never check pricing. They are the ones who are delusional.

 

[T.Mihm]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I see this a lot too. Someone around me is wanting to sell a used 10FP-SR and a $200 Barska scope, he wants $900? Hmm... Can go to the local shop and get the same gun without glass for $720 out the door.

-Travis

 

[lazy21]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I'll sell you a factory dpms sass for $4,550 shipped......I also put a timney 3lb trigger.....lol

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Often the people might feel a little more need for money than for a weapon, not that they don't like the weapon, so it becomes a battle of how much do they really want to sell, and it's reflected in the selling price.

A used gun is almost never worth as much as a new gun. The only exeption would be a case like someone who's friend is selling a 700 PSS that is known to shoot 1/3MOA.. That's a gun that to him is worth more than the new 700PSS.

Of course it's about impossible to prove anything through the internet with information coming from someone you don't know.

It's like used cars- I always buy from people and seem to believe them when its winter and I ask if the AC works, etc- then summer comes around and my air is blowing hot, and I realize I've been lied to.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll sell you a factory dpms sass for $4,550 shipped......I also put a timney 3lb trigger.....lol </div></div>

haha Yeah I'll bet there are a lot of items we'd sell for such a great deal on our end of the table.

 

[Quackaddict]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I think there is more to it than simply being delusional.

Every buyer wants to buy something for nothing, everyone has to have a deal. Even if I list it for a good price, everyone always wants you to eat shipping or reduce the price, its always a big run around. Most good sellers start a bit high, at least in my case, I will entertain reasonable offers and work out a deal.

As for rifle prices, after considering most come with rings, bases, upgrades and updates, (none of which are free but most buyers expect them to be thrown in) I dont see a ton of rifles that are terribly overpriced.

My two cents worth, flame away...

 

[Sportin Wood]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

THats why I ask for a price without the optics package. Some guys think that since there is a $500 scope on a rifle, it automatically makes everything above retail price. But with all the people out there, they only have to fool one guy who didnt look at retail prices.

 

[turbo54]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quackaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think there is more to it than simply being delusional.

Every buyer wants to buy something for nothing, everyone has to have a deal. Even if I list it for a good price, everyone always wants you to eat shipping or reduce the price, its always a big run around. Most good sellers start a bit high, at least in my case, I will entertain reasonable offers and work out a deal.

As for rifle prices, after considering most come with rings, bases, upgrades and updates, (none of which are free but most buyers expect them to be thrown in) I dont see a ton of rifles that are terribly overpriced.

My two cents worth, flame away... </div></div>

I'm with you. At least in the post exchange here, I see (for the most part), reasonable prices.

There is a Savage 10FP that isn't selling for $1300 or something. Barrel has been cut down to 20" and recrowned. Rifle Basix trigger. Bolt lift kit. Scope base. Atlas Bipod, McMillan stock and has a test target.

It hasn't sold in months, but I think thats a pretty reasonable price. You coudn't reproduce it for that. Plus, it's already done and ready to go.

PLUS PLUS: I'm all about a Savage that someone else has already put 1000 rounds through. Thats just about when they're broken in and shooting real nice. Sounds funny, but in all seriousness, I almost see being used to be a value-adder, especially in a 308. Someone else already ran $500 in ammo through it to get it working nice.... Or they already figured out what load data you need to get the performance out of the rifle. Thats worth something. Particularly if you *trust* the person.

 

[zinny]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

some people do it to prevent lowball offers. if you ask a fair price for a used rifle, often people will make lowball offers(very annoying). if you have it at a higher price it makes it more difficult to make a lowball. not saying thats why all people ask forhigh prices, but it is for some.

 

[SDWhirlwind]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Now me, I can't believe how many cheap bast*ds there are on the net always wanting something for nothing!!!! Like paying $300 for something that given time would bring $500 but seller really needs the funds.

No matter what price you list there is ALWAYS the parasite looking for a better price yet and has no issues with insulting you in hopes you are desperate to sell. Then the +1's etc added after the "I'll take it" like an 8yr old congratulating the buyer because he took advantage of the seller. The 'attaboy' because someone really needed to sell because of bad luck, medical bills etc.


Guess most wouldn't know that feeling unless they had to sell something they didn't want to make ends meet. Your luck is bad, have to sell something you don't want to and then some cheap SOB wants to kick you in the nuts so he can brag about the good deal he just got!!!!

Two sides of the coin my friends!!!

 

[BigBlue&Goldie]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Any gun that can be easily modified by the home enthusiest is susceptible to delusional pricing. People sink a ton of money into them, get attached, and lose sight of the big picture. Same for modified cars...........just because those 24" rims cost you $5k, doesn't mean you added $5k in value to your 1984 Chevy Caprice.

It seems to me Savages are the most frequently overpriced bolt action on the used market. If you look through the PX you can see examples selling for more than retail. My theory is people think their homebrew gun plumbing is adding value to the gun and warrants asking more than retail for the sum of the parts. There is a reason why there are a lot of high dollar Savages sitting unsold in the PX for extended periods of time. I could point out some expamples, but I'm new here and that probably wouldn't go over too well.

FWIW, I like Savages, but I don't feel they should be selling for what a custom rifle sells for (even if they shoot well).

On other boards you see the same thing with AR15's. People think their parts gun that cost them $1,200 to assemble should be worth $1,300. I'm all for assemling your own gun, but lets get serious, I don't expect my kitchen table build to hold it's value like the one assembled by GAP or any other high end custom shop.

Don't even get me started on used 10/22's!

 

[bachelorjack]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Often times the sellers bought it locally and paid tax. So for them their shitty price is a great reduction from the retardedly high price they paid. These are the same people who didn't bother to price them online before they bought. Or live in places where all the FFL's have raised transfer fees to make the online deals more expensive than buying from them.

I buy a lot of used items. Not just guns and related. And the most common thing I hear is, "well I paid XX and I'd be loosing too much if I sold it to your for YY". And I laugh and tell them I don't care what they paid.

Conversely I sell a lot of stuff, mainly because I don't have a lot of room. Often times the first thing I hear is, "what did you pay?" Also doesn't matter.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBlue&Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any gun that can be easily modified by the home enthusiest is susceptible to delusional pricing. People sink a ton of money into them, get attached, and lose sight of the big picture. Same for modified cars...........just because those 24" rims cost you $5k, doesn't mean you added $5k in value to your 1984 Chevy Caprice.

It seems to me Savages are the most frequently overpriced bolt action on the used market. If you look through the PX you can see examples selling for more than retail. My theory is people think their homebrew gun plumbing is adding value to the gun and warrants asking more than retail for the sum of the parts. There is a reason why there are a lot of high dollar Savages sitting unsold in the PX for extended periods of time. I could point out some expamples, but I'm new here and that probably wouldn't go over too well.

FWIW, I like Savages, but I don't feel they should be selling for what a custom rifle sells for (even if they shoot well).

On other boards you see the same thing with AR15's. People think their parts gun that cost them $1,200 to assemble should be worth $1,300. I'm all for assemling your own gun, but lets get serious, I don't expect my kitchen table build to hold it's value like the one assembled by GAP or any other high end custom shop.

Don't even get me started on used 10/22's! </div></div>

Good bedding could add value... Aside from that- I agree, it isn't a known shooter really unless the person saying it is is credible.

 

[VaFarmer1]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Just like anything else we buy & sell.
We tend to think our stuff is worth more when we want to sell it. And when buying we think the other guy has his priced to high. Always been that way, always will be.
Price will always be dictated by How bad you want it & or how bad you need to sell it.
Haggle on....

Funny difference between USA & China
If you sold someone car here knowing it had major problems but sold it anyway, Most would say you are a dirt bag. I have a chinese friend who told me over there they praise the guy who sold the bad vehicle for being smarter. Saying the buyer should have been a better buyer. Maybe thats why they sell all their worthless shit to walmart.

 

[hondakilla98]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I run into this all the time. Whether I'm buying something on craigslist or here or another forum. There is always that guy that wants way too much for what he's selling. Usually because he paid too much in the first place. Then bought add ons, probably all at retail and from different places so he paid shipping on each item. And still thinks he can break even. I really enjoy putting them straight when I get the chance.

 

[Wannashootit]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Nothing wrong with it...and I certainly expect some level of it...but it seems that EVERY rifle is priced like that...

Now, I'm not talking custom builds...a low round-count "in demand" rifle in a popular caliber with all the right "stuff" from a reputable smith <span style="font-style: italic">should</span> sell for a premium. The buyer can get it without the wait, and as another poster pointed out, a "broken in" rifle with load development already done is a cherished posession!

But I just can't see it in all the basically stock rifles being sold. Like anything else, depends on how badly- and how fast- they want it to sell. Just seems to be an awful lot of fishermen out there- and not a lot of serious sellers.

 

[diego-ted]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I don't think anyone should get butt hurt from a low ball offer. It's the name of the game, the selling price is somewhere between the low ball and the TOP DOG offer. If the seller does not feel they want to sell for an offer they just decline and each go there own way or a counter offer is made. Just like in the classic car world, 99% of the time you will never get out what you got in, just the way it is.

Diego

 

[R.O.U.S.]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I always thought that AW on Gunbroker was a little expensive.

In all seriousness, people don't like losing money, and like making money. Unless something is incredibly rare or special, a used gun doesn't warrant more than MSRP.

 

[dbateman]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazy21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll sell you a factory dpms sass for $4,550 shipped......I also put a timney 3lb trigger.....lol </div></div>

Think that is funny there was AR15 upper sold other here the other day for $6000 AUD .

I see the same thing over here all the time

I see the for sale add's that read like this all time "this rifle has won state and zone comp's and hold's several club records like new $4000"
or this one really make's me not want to buy a gun from a seller
gun "fastidiously mainland buy meticulous owner cleaned after every range trip , barrel properly broken in $2500"
When I see for sale add's like that it instantley make's me not want to even consider buy a gun off that person .


or the one I seen a wile ago "Remington700 338 RUM. Rifle has fired 520 rounds. like new condition. shoot's Sub MOA. fluted barrel. rifle has done little work. $1750

A new Sendero over here costs around $1900 you can probably find them cheaper if you shop around , so why do people think they can sell a almost shot out rifle for $150 less than new price , the worst part is some idiot will most likely buy it .

 

[timelinex]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I think it relates to what someone said earlier..... Many people over pay in the first place because they are too lazy to do research or pay for the convenience for wanting it now. Local stores can easily be sellling a rifle for 1000 plus tax, when online it could be 800 shipped. I see it all the time, people selling stuff for the price of what it would be brand new online, or when a higher model just sold on the same forum for less. We have all been there when we overpayed locally because we needed something right away, but thats just the cost of convenience and not the actual item.

I also don't feel its the buyers fault if they want to low ball. I've given 1 or 2 lowball offers before. The reason is simple. I didn't need exactly what they were selling, but for a good enough price I would go for it. Thats all its worth to ME. if YOU think its worth more, then don't sell it. Noone is holding a gun to your head. The transaction has nothing to do with your sob story of why your selling it. If you end up selling it for a low price don't blame the buyer. THANK the buyer that someone was willing to give you anything at all, or else you wouldn't have the money to pay that bill that you needed to sell it for in the first place. Anyways, didn't mean to go on a rant but thats definitely a pet peeve of mine when people don't take self responsibility and make others look like the 'bad guy'. If anything, the guy is doing you a favor, taking stuff off your hands and giving you money when you need it. When was the last time the bank let you borrow money for free?

 

[confused89]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

The last two guns I sold out of the total of 5 guns I have sold I took a hit of around 20% less than what I paid for them. I knew that they would never sell for what I paid for them so why try. If I have a large amount of my consumable income invested in one gun (the number is a lot less than what most people on here spend) I will not sell the gun. It is my gun which is just like my motorcycle. I have 3 times the amount invested in it than what it is worth so why sell it and take that loss? Maybe I am a tightwad when it comes to money but that is just me. I have started seeing a lot more people put "lowest price I will go" in their add.

 

[kraigWY]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Some people just don't care if they sell the gun or not. Some arn't interested in selling at all (me). So if someone makes an offer for one of my guns you can bet I'm gonna ask more then its worth. If I didn't want it, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

I'm an impulse buyer. Seldem have I ever set out to buy a gun. I see something that suits my fancy I'm gonna buy it. I've gotten some good deals and I've paid too much.

The only regrets I have is selling or trading the ones I did. I kick my self in the butt every time I think about it.

Everything is for sale, but to keep from being tempted I put a heavy price on mine. Don't want to sell, I'd rather leave them for my kids and grand kids to fight over.

 

[jasonZ]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I put a higher price on mine, because usually I make a deal with my wife. I tell her that I'm gonna buy this gun and she'll make a comment about having so many, then I'll tell her that I'm gonna put this one up for sale. I put a high price on it and nobody buys it. Awhile later, she has forgotten and I still have which ever gun I said I was going to sell. It works out well for me, however, I've listed a few that I guess I didn't price high enough because I've still sold them. I almost always make money like that if one sells. I just like building my own and no I'm not GAP, but I seem to be able to build pretty accurate stuff for the most part. So I watch around the forums and I find the stuff I need and if it's a good price then I buy it, but if it's not then I pass...most of the time. I might lowball here and there, but I figure it's the same for something that I might be selling, as I've been lowballed before on those items. It comes and it goes, but in the end it doesn't change much. If you sell if for a lowball offer then it's your fault, not the guy that offered you the offer. I understand the whole, I got bills or whatever, but and I'm not gonna brag on what I buy cheap.

In the end though, if you don't like someone's used price then go buy new and be done with it. At the same time, don't bash people for what they are asking as it doesn't do anybody any good and it makes everybody pissy!

 

[sr15match]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I've sold several rifles on here plus accessories to boot. I see plenty of rifles that make me think twice on the asking price, some fair, some just out right crazy. I realize some items aren't available anymore, rare, or what ever so those are considered differently. But everyday off the rack goods that can be ordered new and had in a few days time are like average cars, dive off the lot and the value goes down, a bunch! Put a round down the tube, mount that scope, what ever, it's now used. Sorry to break it to you.......... $500 dollar rifle or $5,000 dollar rifle, it's now worth less but exactly how much is still the argument.

When pricing my rifles I kept the price reasonable, taking a fair loss right from the get go. Used is used no matter what. Even if I had extra into something like machine work, stocks, rings or what ever I never added up the costs and expected that price. Sure add the costs but then subtract some too. Like custom cars, not every perspective buyer is going to be into the mods/changes that have been made.

Prices on optics are about the same to me with most of the top end used stuff is about as expensive as buying new. Makes it a tough decision, buy used and have it now as some have a long lead time for delivery or order and wait.

But like mentioned above don't over-look that the guy very well could have paid tax on the purchase running the cost up even more.

Bottom line is if you don't like the price, move along and find something else to buy.

 

[Mike]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

It's called a free market society and is what makes America great.

Last time I checked, this car didn't cost over 7 million when it was bought new, yet that's what it sold for now.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/s...ion-253132.html

If you don't like the price, move on. If you offer a low ball bid that is insulting, don't be surprised if you get an insulting response.

 

[dogman]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

caveat emptor

 

[Keyser Söze]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quackaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every buyer wants to buy something for nothing, everyone has to have a deal. Even if I list it for a good price, everyone always wants you to eat shipping or reduce the price, its always a big run around.</div></div>

Exactly.

I think its the exact opposite as the OP thinks it is. MOst sellers are asking reasonable prices. Sure, every now and then you see something priced really high, but that is the rare exception in the scheme of things.

BUT then you have the buyers...

I have rarely gotten an offer on GB that wasn't an insane lowball offer that was frankly insulting. Most of them are something like "Hey, I'll give you half of your asking price. Can you close your auction and sell it to me for that price and ship and insure it for free? I got cash now."

Uhh, yeah moron, sure. And what is with the whole "I got the cash now" shit people try to feed you like it makes a difference. Its like "no shit, this is GB, everyone has the cash, thats how it works here."

Like you and others have said, everyone wants to buy something for nothing.

/rant

 

[sandwarrior]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's called a free market society and is what makes America great.

Last time I checked, this car didn't cost over 7 million when it was bought new, yet that's what it sold for now.

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/s...ion-253132.html

If you don't like the price, move on. If you offer a low ball bid that is insulting, don't be surprised if you get an insulting response. </div></div>

WOW!...then the guy has the audacity to say they should have gotten more!!??!! ..but with the economy the way it is. Whatever, a trust fund baby bought that. I know that because money means nothing to them except power, I have, you don't. The person buying that could never in a lifetime dream of what skills it takes to make that.

As far as used gun prices going through the roof, it's their right to ask what they want. It's your right to pay it or not pay it. IMO, if you see price gouging going on, save us all in the end run and find it for a reasonable price somewhere else.

 

[drumcorps]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I tried finding a 700 Remington action, and looked through Brownells and found the same issue. If anyone knows any dealers let me know.
I have the green cobweb stock, 5R barrel...just need a trigger and action.
I know they're priced high.

 

[BERTMAN77MK2]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

u don't have to lowball---the seller can see when a hundred people have looked at it with NO offers---theycome down on their own without any insults being traded

 

[pdogsbeware]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I love the ones who think their sentimental value translates to you, so they charge more. "well my grandpa/dad/uncle used this/had this/made this/did this for x number of years, it's worth way more"

 

[bigwheeler]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I'm with the "no but used gun buyers are or the most part", crowd.

 

[Scooter64]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

The low ballers i've met here and ignored were soon to be discovered as deadbeats

 

[dbateman]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I understand the I don't really want to sell it but if you want it it's going to cost you .

I have sold a couple of rifle's that way people just offered me way more than they were worth .

It is not just the used market over here I can buy Wilson Combat mag's for my 1911 cheaper from the USA than I can get a lesser brand over here .

yeah a little bit high is one thing but some people are just greedy .

there is a Les Baer Super match AR15 for sale over here they want $11,000AUD for it
you know what they cost to buy off Les Baer ? $2241.18 so where is the $8758 going I know dealer's need to get something out it but that is just ridiculous .

Here is another one Gibbs remake of the 03a4 $3000 I have seen that is over $1000 dollars profit .

Now if I am going to spend $3000 on a 30-06 it is going the one that I get made by Roscoe , ok so it may or may not cost me a bit more but you see what I am saying .

 

[Dirty D]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe I'm missing something...
I'm looking for a Stevens 200 or Savage action to build a rifle...

A brand NIB, Stevens 200 sells for $320 including shipping to my LGS.

The least expensive used ones listed start at $260 and some are starting at MORE than the new ones sell for.

Same story with the Savages... a Model 10 can be had new in the $500-$600 range, and they're asking the same prices for the used ones.</div></div>

Go to www.budsgunshop.com and buy a Savage 11FYCXP3 for $391 with FREE shipping, take off and sell the scope and barrel for $100 each on a local forum that thinks that your take off 243 barrel is the shit and that scope is uber cool. At that point you have $191 invested in the receiver and you may be able to unload the plastic (ahem- full synthetic) stock for another $50 and suddenly you have a $141 receiver to build on. I know because that is what I did

 

[E. Bryant]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

A few thoughts:

1) Just because someone had to unload an item a few months ago for well less than what it was selling for, does not suddenly establish a permanently lower price for that item. For example, if I sell a scope for half the present market value because I need to toss a new engine in my car, every other seller is not automatically compelled to follow my lead.

2) Not everyone needs to immediately unload an item, and thus they don't feel a need to stick a bargain-basement price on it that ensures an immediate sale. For everything that I put up for sale, there is a minimum price below which it is better for me to keep the item than take the offer.

3) Given the interesting constraints on the supply of particular items nowadays, a used item in hand may very well carry a price similar to that of a new item on backorder.

4) Psychology often trumps logic when striking a deal. That's just the way it is when dealing with humans. Some buyers really want to put the screws to a seller (usually by offering some combination of a lower price in conjunction with other demands like free shipping or additional accessories), and that is going to create a walk-away for many sellers.

Ultimately, the market will establish the right prices. If the sellers of used goods are unsuccessful in completing deals, then prices will adjust. In the meantime, anyone is welcome to go spend their money on whatever new product happens to be sitting on a dealer's shelf somewhere, or they can wait for the adjustment process to run its course. Free markets do indeed carry the promise of price discovery, but there is no entitlement to velocity.

 

[turbo54]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I've seen some good responses here - for the most part.

Caveat emptor.....let the buyer beware.

Who cares if a widget is priced at eleventy million dollars? If you don't wanna pay it, don't ....simple. If you do, great!

The law of supply/demand works and is totally legit.

The last thing in the world that we need is the SHPPRA (Snipers Hide Product Pricing Regulatory Agency) dictating what prices should be attached to any given item. The market will dictate the price. Trust in it.

 

[Luvman]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quackaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think there is more to it than simply being delusional.

Every buyer wants to buy something for nothing, everyone has to have a deal. Even if I list it for a good price, everyone always wants you to eat shipping or reduce the price, its always a big run around. Most good sellers start a bit high, at least in my case, I will entertain reasonable offers and work out a deal.

As for rifle prices, after considering most come with rings, bases, upgrades and updates, (none of which are free but most buyers expect them to be thrown in) I dont see a ton of rifles that are terribly overpriced.

My two cents worth, flame away... </div></div>

I'm with you. At least in the post exchange here, I see (for the most part), reasonable prices.

There is a Savage 10FP that isn't selling for $1300 or something. Barrel has been cut down to 20" and recrowned. Rifle Basix trigger. Bolt lift kit. Scope base. Atlas Bipod, McMillan stock and has a test target.

It hasn't sold in months, but I think thats a pretty reasonable price. You coudn't reproduce it for that. Plus, it's already done and ready to go.

PLUS PLUS: I'm all about a Savage that someone else has already put 1000 rounds through. Thats just about when they're broken in and shooting real nice. Sounds funny, but in all seriousness, I almost see being used to be a value-adder, especially in a 308. Someone else already ran $500 in ammo through it to get it working nice.... Or they already figured out what load data you need to get the performance out of the rifle. Thats worth something. Particularly if you *trust* the person. </div></div>

It's my Savage that's he's referring to. I think it's priced reasonable for what you'll get. I have had some low ball offers and some serious inquiries but money seems to be tight. I'm even willing entertain partial trades.

It has gotten a lot of attention at the gun show I took it to. some were hoping it was a 700 others wanted it but didn't have the cash. if it sells that's great. I could use the money for other things. If it doesn't that fine too. It's a great rifle.

 

[turbo54]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

I've been trying to convince my buddy in Lexington to go take that from you.

 

[Luvman]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been trying to convince my buddy in Lexington to go take that from you. </div></div>

If he came and saw it in person I'm sure he'd like it. if he slapped some glass on it and shot it I bet he'd take it home.

I could even add a pelican case and dewey rod to help round out the package a little better (would cost a little more though)

 

[Wannashootit]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe I'm missing something...
I'm looking for a Stevens 200 or Savage action to build a rifle...

A brand NIB, Stevens 200 sells for $320 including shipping to my LGS.

The least expensive used ones listed start at $260 and some are starting at MORE than the new ones sell for.

Same story with the Savages... a Model 10 can be had new in the $500-$600 range, and they're asking the same prices for the used ones.</div></div>

Go to www.budsgunshop.com and buy a Savage 11FYCXP3 for $391 with FREE shipping, take off and sell the scope and barrel for $100 each on a local forum that thinks that your take off 243 barrel is the shit and that scope is uber cool. At that point you have $191 invested in the receiver and you may be able to unload the plastic (ahem- full synthetic) stock for another $50 and suddenly you have a $141 receiver to build on. I know because that is what I did

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Exactly! That's the whole point of my post...

It has nothing to do with lowball buyers in this <span style="font-style: italic">particular</span> example...it's simply unrealistic sellers asking new- or more than new- prices for off-the-shelf , USED firearms. It's not just a few- it's the majority. I'm convinced that (A) they really don't care if they sell it or (B) they're delusional as I said originally...

<span style="font-weight: bold">The vast majority of listings on GB goes unsold</span> with either the starting price being too high, or the reserve too high. I think GB would be a far more effective place to buy/sell firearms if they charged a listing fee...that way, the fishermen would have to pay for their endless fishing trips. It gets old having to wade through all the bullshit there trying to locate realistic sellers.

 

[Dirty D]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

Rational buyers and sellers live at the intersection of supply and demand, fortunately none of us are rational.

 

[rpk762]

Re: Are used gun sellers delusional?

No one wants to lose much if any cash on selling a firearm. Some people are just stupid and will pay new prices for a used fire arm. Granted most used fire arms are almost new anyway. Most deer hunters are lucky to put 20+ shots down range every year.