Army changes basic training for "softer" kids!

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Guess this is a sign of the times. Now the US military is feeling the affects of this <span style="font-style: italic">"me"</span> generation who feels that they're entitled to everything and anything and shouldn't have to work for it. Reminds me of someone who used to post here...

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by Ben Silverman

Buzz up!

March 25 12:56 P.M.


Real war and virtual war just got closer.

Basic training is about to get more advanced. And recruits can thank games for that.

In an interview with Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, NPR reports that the U.S. Army is altering its basic training program for the first time in 20 years, in part to better train recruits weaned on video games.

"This isn't a decline in our recruits; this is a decline in our American society in terms of their physical capacity," Hertling told NPR. "It's just a softer generation."

Hertling goes on to explain that while new soliders are "advanced in terms of their use of technology," they're perhaps "not as advanced in their physical capabilities or ability to go into a fight. So we're taking that into consideration as well in doing this holistic review of how we do training."

So what's in store for new recruits? Hertling says the new basic training regimen will focus more on teaching recruits essential combat skills, from the use of "weapons, knives, bayonets, [and] sticks" to hand-to-hand techniques like punching, kicking, and martial arts. His aim is to better prepare them for the potentially grueling physical experience of serving in unfriendly environments.

That includes an added emphasis on discipline, which Hertling contends just isn't what it used to be.

"We certainly have a generation that is not as disciplined when they enter the military," he said, adding that while the new generation has "what they believe is a form of courage or discipline, it's not what we expect of a soldier in very tense and difficult situations."

The news comes just weeks after the Pentagon announced plans to fund new research into using games to train soldiers. The Army in particular has had a healthy working relationship with the games industry; its freely-distributed first-person shooter America's Army has enjoyed great success as a recruitment tool.

While Hertling isn’t enamored with their physical prowess, he believes new soldiers with a background in games do offer one distinct advantage.

"They're different. They have a technology edge. I think they're smarter than any generation we've ever had before," he said. "They certainly ask a lot more difficult questions."

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All I can say is this is pathetic. As part of the "softer" generation I'm actually ashamed of the idiots we have coming out. I'm definitely glad that I was raised by my grandparents. Hell, just seeing the people at school and the way the act is ridiculous just today a kid threatened a teacher with absolutely no punishment for it. Maybe it's just how I was raised but...

bad grades= ass whoopin
questioning authority= ass whoopin
talking back= ass whoopin
threatening a teacher... hell I wouldn't be alive!

If anything the Army should RAISE their standards instead of lowing or revamping them. If my generation is lacking discipline teach it to us, don't just let it go...

P.S
Sorry for the rant just getting tired of the idiots around
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhOnEpHrEaK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If anything the Army should RAISE their standards instead of lowing or revamping them. If my generation is lacking discipline teach it to us, don't just let it go...
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I'm surprised that the Army hasn't raised the standards lately due to the influx of qualified recruits. Army recruiting is at a high lately due to the economy. Lately it's raised standards regarding health issues anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anything the Army should RAISE their standards instead of lowing or revamping them.</div></div>

I think that is exactly what the Army is trying to do. It seems as though they're they're trying to "toughen" up these kids by focusing more on the physical aspect (fighting, weapons, self defense) aspect of being a solider. In essence, what I got from the article is that they are trying to mold these "soft" kids into what it is that they're looking for in a solider.
 
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I was expecting it to say that they're making it easier, but I do think what they're saying is that they're making an effort to build up character, discipline, and strength in a generation that's lacking in those. It's about time, too. This whole generation that I'm a part of (graduated hs in 2003) is soft. It's pitiful.
 
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And yet there is another thread active here right now about them taking bayonet fighting out of basic. Personally, I think learning and getting comfortable with the act of attacking the bad guy with a knife was one of the most effective methods of honing the warrior spirit.

Believe me, I wish the Army would raise it's standards but with the poor quality of the average American young-adult to pull from lately, they have to lower entrance standards and try to fix them in training or they will have no one filling the ranks.

Unfortunately Basic Training has been watered down for years now. We don't need more technology. We need Drill Sergeants that are allowed to instill fear, discipline, motivation, and respect.

What this country needs sadly enough is to get its a$$ whooped in a full-scale war so it realizes you forge warriors with pain and suffering, not appeasement and coddling.
 
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I think with the technology it may not be a bad thing but they still need to instill RESPECT - and that is done by scaring the crap out of someone, breaking them down, and then building them back up.

I don't think it will matter the way the world, our economy, and china goes- the next war will probably be a mostly push button war anyway.
 
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I'm pretty sure they're getting rid of the bayonet stuff. All the tire wearing long penis fighting dummies were being pulled up on Fort Jackson a few days ago.

Been trying to figure out how to get one and get it back and set up in my front lawn here at the house....
 
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I have been out of the service for 20 years now. A few years back I herd that the new recruits got a stress card in basic that they could hold out if they felt like it was getting to hard for them. Come on now if you can't handle basic and the DI's getting into your shit you damn sure don't need to be in a combat situation. Good greif.
 
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The Army has become a large bunch of pussies because they no longer try to instil a total warrior spirit into the Soldier.
I have thanked God every single day I was a Soldier for the privelage of being a Marine first. The early 80's(Last of the Old Corps) training did not just instill a killer spirit it burned it deep inside your soul as a never give up warrior. Nothing like hearing the harsh, low voice as your every left hit the ground going,"kill...kill...kill...kill"
Ahhhhh, the echo's of what was once and still is the highlight of my life. Never shall a man wish for more than to be called Marine!
 
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I guess wars are now going to be fought with marshmellows being thrown.
God, I am so glad that I am retired from the Army.
 
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Of the ones I took to A-Stanh for OEF VII, half were straight mall ninjas(can you see their iba bristling with every crap knife known to man) and the rest were shit talking cowards that a slim bodied, slightly inked, female SAW gunner made look like world class weenie hut jr diners.
I am just glad my entire platoon was solid, however it was the 'add ons' that I speak of. I will always hold my cigar chomping(and lolly-pop eating Lilly!) crew in high regard
 
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I really dislike my generation. (Im a kid) No one seems to work for what they want, they just want it handed to them on a silver platter.

I am not being raised that way. I actually do stuff like clean, cook, split/haul wood. Also makin' ghillies so I can buy things that Id like to have.

I get good grades, im an honor student, and I work for what I want. I don't play any of these new fancy games, and I rarely ever text people. Its pathetic seeing how lazy our generation is. There is no respect at all anymore. Every day in my English class, students always complain to the teacher because she is making them do work. They talk back and dont do what they need to get done. They complain that the class is so hard, but I fyou just do what you need to accomplish it is quite easy.

Little rant there, sorry 'bout that.

Shay
 
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My step daughter is a senior this year and she will be an honor grad and the kids she hangs out with are cut from the same cloth. What I can say about them is they all are lazy, rude and disrespectfull. In fact she is not allowed to have any of them over except for 2 because of their smart ass attitudes.

If I would have acted like that when I was a kid I would have been given black eyes and lumps on my head.
 
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People have been saying this for generations. It might have been 8 years since I went to basic, but I'm willing to bet that I could show up at Battery D, 1/19 FA (BCT), Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and the privates there would be just as miserable as the 40 or so young men I served with.

If anything, basic needs to be changed to recognize that people are smarter (on average) as volunteers than the drafted flunkies from our parents' generation and should be expected to think for themselves from day ONE.

One of my drill sergeants used to do ruck marches with an M9, a styrofoam helmet and a ruck full of shredded newspaper. or some other bullshit to make it look like he had a full load.

At the end, when all of the honor graduates were assembled in a room with the Battalion Command Sergeant Major, I pointed out that Drill's lack of discipline and integrity. The other (also honor graduate) privates in the room reluctantly agreed with every word I said, still fearful of a Drill Sergeant who basically had done whatever he wanted, demonstrating the lack of discipline that he demanded we leave behind "on the block."

It was great for me to see that the senior NCOs like that CSM still cared about the young Soldiers under them. And I know that Drill Sergeant got an earful, because he quietly mentioned it to me on my way out of there.

Either way, I doubt the Army has changed much. There are a lot of good people working their asses off in the Army, while about 30% of them are absolute fucking slugs. So, like any job, the good people shoulder the load for the freeloaders.

Such is life...
 
Re: Army changes basic training for "softer" kids!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Army has become a large bunch of pussies because they no longer try to instil a total warrior spirit into the Soldier.
I have thanked God every single day I was a Soldier for the privelage of being a Marine first. The early 80's(Last of the Old Corps) training did not just instill a killer spirit it burned it deep inside your soul as a never give up warrior. Nothing like hearing the harsh, low voice as your every left hit the ground going,"kill...kill...kill...kill"
Ahhhhh, the echo's of what was once and still is the highlight of my life. Never shall a man wish for more than to be called Marine!</div></div>


I graduated USMC bootcamp in 2000, and the Killer Instinct, Warrior Spirit, never leave a fellow Marine on the battlefield Attitude, STFU and do what your told motto still is very much alive and well in the Drill Instructors in MCRD San Diego.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _Shay_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dislike my generation. (Im a kid) No one seems to work for what they want, they just want it handed to them on a silver platter.</div></div>

I couldn't agree more, (I am also a kid) everyone now days just sits inside and plays video games. They don't work for anything.

I have a little story that just sent me over the edge.

I had a friend over to my house when I was about 12. I had just finished working with my dad for weeks to buy a stereo (running heavy equipment). The kid looks around my room at all the cool stuff and had the balls to tell me. "You have nice stuff, I don't have this stuff. Can I have one of your shirts (some big name brand crap)". I would give almost anyone the shirt off my back if you needed it. But just because you don't want to work for something.... Just so I don't sound like a douchebag, his family isn't poor he had all the latest video games etc.

Don't even get me started on the "Gangsters".
 
Re: Army changes basic training for "softer" kids!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Army has become a large bunch of pussies because they no longer try to instil a total warrior spirit into the Soldier.</div></div>By the age at which recruits join the army a Warrior is either already present, or he isn't. The goal of proper basic training is to identify the best, and to give the rest sufficient skills to function and to survive. In my experience, true warriors come in all shapes and sizes. The task of a warfighting organization with access to a broad base of society, but limited trianing time, is to identify and hone the recruit rather than to try to create a new product. Many in charge today would disagree with this view, and defend on the basis that we've always done it a different way.
 
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It's my experience that the spirit of the warrior is either present or not by the time a recruit gets to basic training, and if it's not present, it's likely never to be.

However, the number of true warriors in any military organization is always small.

The rest are there to follow where they are lead.
 
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from what ive seen, since we redeployed in august of last year, the new soldiers were getting are either squared away or completely useless, they can slack whatever standards they want at basic, cuz when they get to their unit thats where we give them what they never got at basic, and either they suck it up, and be a man and we quit messing with them, or they go total pussy and go awol or go to mental health or something. they week ones dont last a week on the line once they get here.