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Civilian markings have "H-S PRECISION" molded into the pad, military has "Remington"
Does anyone know where to get a Remington buttpad like this to replace the HS one?
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Civilian markings have "H-S PRECISION" molded into the pad, military has "Remington"
Yes, the original Ultra reticle gives a sliver/gold color as yours does.
The markings are laser engraved white on all of them starting in 1987 as such the white will not come off, cleaning with acetone will not harm the markings.
Was this the one from ebay?
I contacted Leupold a while back asking about a M3A serial. They told me the M3A has never been 'copied'. They never heard any reports about fakes M3A.
If its the one that was on eBay a few weeks back, that's a steal![]()
Looking to do an M24 build.
I have some questions regarding the Long Action and the .308 cartridge (or more correctly 7.62x51).
On the original M24, it was a LA, but shot 7.62x51.
Q1 FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS:Q1: What is needed to be done to a LA internal magazine to provide for this for the early M24 ?
Can someone explain in detail, what is going on inside, such that if I was going to build one, what do I need to modify?
A1:M24 used an ADL magazine box and a 30-06 follower with Dakota bottom metal...
Q2: For the M24A2, with a box mag, same type of question. Was the box mag made for 7.62 or 30-06 ?
Please explain how this worked if it was 30-06.
A2:...the A2 uses a Badger M24 bottom metal specifically for it with SA mags [7.62x51] but LA bottom metal(one in the classifieds now)
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../201265-badger-m24-botom-metal-4-ai-mags.html ...
Q3: Any preferred parts suppliers...or to I just "scrounge around" ?
A3:...To do a build that's a clone you really have to shop around and it may take months to locate spec parts...
Q4 FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS:Q4: Were there 2 stock models for the M24A2 ?
A4:[No.] ...and the A2 has adjustable LOP and cheek piece with more of a verticle grip...
Q5: Did the M24A2 ever have iron sights ? Or was it ever an option ?
Q6: Is the MARS rail REALLY $500 ?
A6:Rem MARS rails are very tuff to come by, you could get a PRI for half the cost but not spec. I thought I seen a Mcann rail for a rem LA in the classifieds recently for $250-300 which is really close to a mars
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...dustries-mirs-r700-long-action-rail-used.html
The .308 feeds from the long action. The only thing to be done to the internal mag on the M24 is to shorten it. IIRC, from 38mm to 32mm. It is a Remington LA ADL mag box, with a screw to secure the mag to the action. The follower is milled.
The bottom metal is not the std Rem. Its either Dakota Arms, or Sunny Hills. It has been covered thoroughly in this thread.
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So as I understand you
1) The 30-06 LA internal box/spring/follower is used (such as that from a donor ADL 30-06 rifle)
2) The box housing is shortened from 38mm to 32 mm
3) The follower needs to be milled i.e. "shortened" (to allow the proper number of rounds to fit in the shorter box, I'm guessing?)
Q: From this, I take it that the roughly 1/2" difference in length of the .308 vs. the 30-06 causes NO FEEDING ISSUES when the shorter .308 cartridge is used in the longer 30-06 internal magazine, no matter how they are stacked in (some all the way to the front and others all the way to the back). Is this correct ?
Q: I'm also guessing that if the internal mag was "left alone/no mods", it would feed OK, but would not be "correct" as far as being an exact "clone" of the original M24 build. Is this correct ?
Thanks, again...this is the info I could not track down.
...Like said above, no mods to the mag boxe unless you use the thicker BM's.
Good luck with the build!
You wont have any feeding problems with the .308 rounds in a LA action.
I'm grateful for the find and the price don't get me wrong! It is relative though seeing a scope with full deployment kit and irons go for $800 on armslist! I think that was major low-ball especially considering the cost of issue Redfield apreture irons, the issue container, and it also came with ARMS throw-lever rings! Anyway I'm still pleased. Mine came with current catologue Leupold rings painted green that I'll be selling as I don't need them I have the older Ultra rings.
Not sure if a Buttlercreek flip cap used with ARD is correct for issue but the #26 ojb cap fits great. All I need to get is a #17 eye pc cap.
Thanks mescabug bTW!
That's more or less correct. The LFU and 40LTC-ARD can work with the M3A scope but the threading is not exact. It's been my experience with them that when you lock the lock ring, the threads will slip and thus it comes loose. The LFU and 40LTC-ARD where made for the newer Mark 4 M3 3.5-10x Variable scopes that you see in use on the M14 EBRs. They can be be used with the M2 scopes found on the M110 but then again there is a new aluminum laser filter that was specifically made for the M110 system. The LFU and 40LTC-ARDs are REAL, they're just not what was issued with the M24 system. They are not what is referenced in any M24 Tech Manuals. I always found the name EMA, External Mount Assembly, a bit ambiguous myself as it bears no obvious meaning for what it is or it's intended purpose. Its a laser filter plain and simple. Now, could it be that you need to order a new one and the LFU is what you get? Could be. I no longer have access to the Army logistics system but the LFU could be classified as an authorized substitute since the EMA is out of production. Still it doesn't fit well and is really only a substitute, not a replacement.
As to the M24 follower questions;
the M24 follower is not milled and it is not a .30-06, it is is a cast part made specifically for the M24 and coated with thermal cure dry film lube, they are only available from Remington.
Even the magazine spring is an M24 specific part.
If I were to build an M24A2 in stages, such that I start with building something close (and working) to an M24 w/ Drop Floorplate and internal magazine"
What parts and stock mods would I need ?
In short, I'd like to build up a "functional" M24 now, and minimize the parts/cost needed to convert to an M24A2 later.
The Box mag on the M24A2 would be the first feature of interest I would like to add.
I'd add "accessories" (accessories are those items beyond a functional rifle to make it more "correct" like iron sights, peilican case, optics , etc. ) as budget permits, thus slowly working towards a "more correct" M24.
This would allow me to build and enjoy an M24 (albeit not "correct" as I (and my budget) work towards "correctness")
If you call Dakota Arms directly, they may still have some of the orginal R700 "contract bottom metal" Make sure you let them know what its for, as the long action 510 will not fit the HSP PST24. The PST24 was inletted for the "contract bottom metal". not the standard BDL bottom metal. I was told to check with Dakota Arms by Don at HS Precision when I ordered my PST24 stock. I called Dakota Arms and found them very helpful, once they understood what I wanted. They still had a few of the "contract bottom metals" around when I called them last year. I ordered one and it was at my home in less than a week. I think it cost me around $200. It is thicker and a wider than the BDL bottom metal. It fit my HSP PST24 stock perfectly. I bought an older R700 for my donor and found the only difference in the follower, from the M24 follower I "aquired" overseas was that the follower from the donor was shiny, they follower from the "aquired" M24 was not. I will post some pictures when I can get them both together, hopefully in a couple months. PTG offers a good bang for the buck if you get their "Long action Military". I don't know if its the same diamentions as the Dakota / Sunny Hill or not. The Williams bottom metal fits the HSP PST11 stock which looks similar to the PST24 stock, but is inletted for the stand BDL bottom metal instead of the Dakota Arms / Sunny Hill. I don't know about the Badger Ordance other than they make a drop in DBM for the PST24 stock.
My advice is to read through the 21 pages on this thread and take notes, there is a lot of good information, some really OCD stuff along with some total worthless stuff, mostly at the begining. To get started you are going to need:
1. A long action R700 with a standard bolt face (for a 308) The mounting holes on top will need to be opened up from 6-48 to 8-40. You may have to have holes drilled and tapped on the side of your reciever for the rear iron sight mounts if it doesn't already have them from the factory.
2. A HSP PST24 stock
3. Dakota Arms "Contract Bottom Metal" or SunnyHill, possibly the Badger DBM
4. M24/M40 contour 5 R Barrel with 1-11.25" twist, Mike Rock if you want to be "original" I went with Bartlien for mine, I don't think anyone would know if i didn't tell them.
5. 1PC Ultra Base or 2 PC Leupold MK4 base (newer), I went with the Badger 1pc M24 base as its as close as I could find to the 1 PC Ultra
6. Leupold Ultra M3A or Leupold Mk4, M3 scope
7. Leupold Ultra 30mm Medium Rings or MK4 Medium 30mm Rings, I think Badger's would be acceptable as well
8. Correct front base for iron sights, I used a Redfield that looked identical to the ones made by the Remington custom shop. The newer rifles use OK Weber bases and sights
9 Correct rear base for mounting iron sight, if you are using a Redfield, you are looking for the WB490 that is modified. I had one made by Outback Gun Parts. It came with the correct modifications, you can just order the "Redfield M24 Rear base" from them and they will know what you mean.
10. Iron sights - I think this is pretty optional as I don't think anyone really uses them outside of the school house, but I got a set of Redfield Palma for the rear and a Big Bore Posa sight for the front.
11. The M24 box magazine is a modified ADL long action magazine box. The box needs to be shortened. The BDL box will fit and work flawlessly, but lacks the tab to attach it to the reciever with a small screw. I don't see how that is needed. I used the BDL box and it doesn't rattle or fall out when the bottom metal is opened. I bought a ADL Magazine box, but my builder didn't think it was necessary and neither did I.
12. I had Mike Lau modify my original "old style" R700 trigger to that of a M24 trigger.
Once you have all those parts, you can send it off to a competent builder. I used Texas Brigade Armory, but GAP and a host of other gunsmiths here on the site are more than capable. I would get pictures of the crown, so that is correct, along with the markings and stamps if you want those. I would finish it off with a flat black cerakote for an "older build" or possibly a black teflon for a newer build. I am sure I have missed a few things that others more OCD than myself with chime in on, but those are the basics.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: red6actual</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some good photos here of the original powder coated Dakota floor metal for the M24.
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I purchased this for my 24 build its in great condition and is an exact fit on the Remington stock, as it should be.
Per your request, a few more pics of the Badger DBM on a standard H-S Precsion PST-024 stock.
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The .308 feeds from the long action. The only thing to be done to the internal mag on the M24 is to shorten it. IIRC, from 38mm to 32mm. It is a Remington LA ADL mag box, with a screw to secure the mag to the action. The follower is milled.
The bottom metal is not the std Rem. Its either Dakota Arms, or Sunny Hills. It has been covered thoroughly in this thread.
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