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Assault Weapons Ban of 2018

looks like nothing was held back and went after all semi-auto's. including:

A semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the following: ‘‘A grenade launcher or rocket launcher."
 
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Pipe dream...too far reaching. This guy Cicilline is from my state. He is a total embarrassment and he is doing all things possible to save his cozy job. He ran a poll on a RI site and it got shut down as the NOs had 77% of the vote.

We are fucked in RI though. We had it pretty good compared to MA and CT. No restrictions at all but that will be changing soon. Governor declared us a Red Flag state via EO. I have one more year to go before I move should things change. I would rather live in NH anyways as it is NFA friendly
 
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Well just think, if you have an MSR you've been wanting to sell, now might be a the time to get a good price for it.
 
Does anyone think anything like this will ever happen in this country in our lifetime? every gun owner, ex military, patriot, or fantasy game playing nerd with a gun, will not stand for any of this bullshit.......granted, the patriots will never have the firepower to stand against the US government, but how many military, Feds,police will let anyone shit on the 2nd amendment like this......FUCK THIS.......it is about to get interesting
 
Tree said:
Isn't this how it starts though, ask for it all then "Comprimise"
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Absolutely but do you really believe any AWB would pass? Clinton (I hate using that word) did it and it did nothing and then expired. There is no way it will pass in any way. Even if it did by some miracle, POTUS would have to sign it
 
DuneBoer said:
Yes, Exactly, maybe the NRA will throw a bone out and agree to getting rid of ALL NFA stuff. You know like they did with Reagan in 86.
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That would be interesting but doubtful. Imagine being an NFA weapon owner. You think the Gov't would pay fair market value
 
Nik H said:
That would be interesting but doubtful. Imagine being an NFA weapon owner. You think the Gov't would pay fair market value
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Fair market value would mean Ol' DuneBoer would be retiring to the French Riviera. Learn some Arabic. Get some ex Kepi blanc for security. Get one of those Alfa's. Thinking about what the .gov would do to my shit makes me physically ill. They would cut it all up and scrap it. Not going to happen.
 
Not that you guys need to hear this but I think our country Australia is a good reminder of what will happen to you guys if they push for these semi auto bans etc.

We started off with bans on semi autos, pump action shot guns etc back in 1996 which is what the media both here and from what I have seen in the US too keeps using as an example of what Americans should look too. There is a guy here in Australia called ozzie reviews on youtube who has done a couple of videos on Australian gun laws and what they have quietly banned since 1996 worth a look for those looking for evidence to show others of what happens when bans start.

Basically since the original bans in 1996 they have put limits on magazine capacity's they have banned lever action shot guns with more than 5 shots there is talk of bans on pump action rifles, guns in some states are starting to be banned based on appearance ie if they look like AR15 type military rifles they can now be banned even if its just a bolt action. And the most recent of all in my state soon we are going to have ammo restrictions as to how many rounds we can buy and are only allowed to buy ammo for the rifles that we are licensed to have. And possible a ban on reloading equipment ie how much powder you can buy per year etc.

It does not stop once they start they keep on rolling. watch out.
 
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pitdog85 said:
Not that you guys need to hear this but I think our country Australia is a good reminder of what will happen to you guys if they push for these semi auto bans etc.

We started off with bans on semi autos, pump action shot guns etc back in 1996 which is what the media both here and from what I have seen in the US too keeps using as an example of what Americans should look too. There is a guy here in Australia called ozzie reviews on youtube who has done a couple of videos on Australian gun laws and what they have quietly banned since 1996 worth a look for those looking for evidence to show others of what happens when bans start.

Basically since the original bans in 1996 they have put limits on magazine capacity's they have banned lever action shot guns with more than 5 shots there is talk of bans on pump action rifles, guns in some states are starting to be banned based on appearance ie if they look like AR15 type military rifles they can now be banned even if its just a bolt action. And the most recent of all in my state soon we are going to have ammo restrictions as to how many rounds we can buy and are only allowed to buy ammo for the rifles that we are licensed to have. And possible a ban on reloading equipment ie how much powder you can buy per year etc.

It does not stop once they start they keep on rolling. watch out.
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^^^^^This. A man that knows from experience. We only have to look at the Peoples Republic of California to see this. I believe now there when you buy ammo its like buying a gun background check etc. Also limited to 50 rounds a month.
 
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DuneBoer said:
^^^^^This. A man that knows from experience. We only have to look at the Peoples Republic of KALIFORNIASTAN to see this. I believe now there when you buy ammo its like buying a gun background check etc. Also limited to 50 rounds a month.
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FIFY
 
Nik H said:
Pipe dream...too far reaching. This guy Cicilline is from my state. He is a total embarrassment and he is doing all things possible to save his cozy job. He ran a poll on a RI site and it got shut down as the NOs had 77% of the vote.

We are fucked in RI though. We had it pretty good compared to MA and CT. No restrictions at all but that will be changing soon. Governor declared us a Red Flag state via EO. I have one more year to go before I move should things change. I would rather live in NH anyways as it is NFA friendly
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I "did" 30 years in that part of the country. N.H is becoming Massachusetts North. Give Nevada a close look. Laws, taxes, WEATHER, we have N.H beat by a long shot. With plenty of room for more honest Americans
 
5RWill said:
Idk why but i've got a worse feeling this time around than i did in the last 8 years.
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Same.

Youtube coming down hard on gun channels (and airgun channels?!) this time seems worse than last time. Companies pulling NRA support seems new. The left is directly attacking the NRA with tacticts that smell like acorn/seiu.

Each time a school is shot up and dozens of kids are killed, the pressure will increase. If the school shootings don't stop, we won't be talking about assault weapon bans, we'll be talking about the 2nd amendment itself. It might take a decade or two but it doesn't look good unless a solution is found before we get there.
 
M47Patton said:
Same.

Youtube coming down hard on gun channels (and airgun channels?!) this time seems worse than last time. Companies pulling NRA support seems new. The left is directly attacking the NRA with tacticts that smell like acorn/seiu.

Each time a school is shot up and dozens of kids are killed, the pressure will increase. If the school shootings don't stop, we won't be talking about assault weapon bans, we'll be talking about the 2nd amendment itself. It might take a decade or two but it doesn't look good unless a solution is found before we get there.
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Yup i think we all relaxed when Trump won but they're sensationalizing it as much as they can to push their narrative. Though it seems impossible to reason with these people. I've tried to explain this to friends of mine that aren't into guns or just kind of think "oh well doesn't effect me.". If we snapped our fingers tomorrow and semi-automatic rifles disappeared out of thin air what would change? It's a rhetorical question that has a very simple answer. Nothing. The crimes would be committed with some other inanimate object, then it would be the new evil object on their list to ban. It would cascade from one firearm to another until they got what they really want, which is a ban on firearms equivalent to that of Australia.

What they don't realize and will never realize is that legislation has not and will not ever stop crime. It's a simple as that. I had someone in my immediate family for God's sake that told me "worse that's going to happen is they're going to raise the age limit on rifles. Besides those things are just for recreational use and not even that popular." To which i was a bit taken aback at the sheer ineptitude of it. My counter to the age limit is voting and going to war. It's completely hypocritical for the gov't to tell 18 year old kids they're welcome to put on a plate carrier and serve the country but too irresponsible to own a rifle. Now i know the current generation is scary and there seems to be little hope for those to come, but that's still completely hypocritical IMHO.

But yes, i'm more nervous this time around because the tactics they're employing seem to be working.
 
Tree said:
The Assault Weapons Ban of 2018 by Reps. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) and Ted Deutch (D-Fla.)

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf
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I guess they are trying to endear themselves to their voter base by doing "something" counting on the stupidity of these voters who forgot that this "something" achieved exactly nothing in the violent crime statistics the last time around.
5RWill said:
Yup i think we all relaxed when Trump won but they're sensationalizing it as much as they can to push their narrative. Though it seems impossible to reason with these people. I've tried to explain this to friends of mine that aren't into guns or just kind of think "oh well doesn't effect me.". If we snapped our fingers tomorrow and semi-automatic rifles disappeared out of thin air what would change? It's a rhetorical question that has a very simple answer. Nothing. The crimes would be committed with some other inanimate object, then it would be the new evil object on their list to ban. It would cascade from one firearm to another until they got what they really want, which is a ban on firearms equivalent to that of Australia.

What they don't realize and will never realize is that legislation has not and will not ever stop crime. It's a simple as that. I had someone in my immediate family for God's sake that told me "worse that's going to happen is they're going to raise the age limit on rifles. Besides those things are just for recreational use and not even that popular." To which i was a bit taken aback at the sheer ineptitude of it. My counter to the age limit is voting and going to war. It's completely hypocritical for the gov't to tell 18 year old kids they're welcome to put on a plate carrier and serve the country but too irresponsible to own a rifle. Now i know the current generation is scary and there seems to be little hope for those to come, but that's still completely hypocritical IMHO.

But yes, i'm more nervous this time around because the tactics they're employing seem to be working.
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Their tactics are working because they worked while we were resting on our laurels - the outcome of the 2016 elections.
The left prepared their ads, put pressure on companies, drafted laws, and probably even organized the busing of victims to DC while waiting for the next pimple-faced lunatic to go on a murder spree.
Meanwhile the HPA never made it to vote, the national carry reciprocity got stuck who knows where, and all you hear is crickets from those we based our hopes on.
As deranged as their goals and methods are, I have to give it to the left that at least they are fighting for their distopia.
 
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5RWill said:
Idk why but i've got a worse feeling this time around than i did in the last 8 years.
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Use that as motivation to call and write your congressman and senator. Include checks with the letters.

I used to write long explanations of what I thought. Now I just say, not one single inch on anything.

There is more than one reason the left will not address violence in any of it forms and we will continue to see pokes like this at the 2A because they are easy, mindless, and headline grabbing. Meaningful solutions are expensive, take more time than a sound bite, more verbiage than allowed by twitter, and most dauntingly they take more thoughtfulness than our political discourse can stomach. All of this lends me a darker mood than anyone wants to hear about.

However, if social issues cannot/will not be addressed and there is going to be legislation it is going to be for getting rid of the NFA, repealing GCA 1968, criminal and civil liability for non-prosecution of gun crimes with increased liability if the actor was legally barred from possessing a firearm to begin with (San Francisco will oppose this), criminal and civil liability for any public entity that denies or impedes the right to bear arms resulting in harm, 10x penalties for gang members and organized crime using/possessing firearms (ACLU will scream about this), mandatory capital punishment for school shootings whether or not a death resulted (the entire gun hating left will go full retard at this), an examination and proviso for penalties (trade status, fines, levies, etc.) for any country or foreign entity be it an individual, corporation, or public entity that seeks to alter or diminish any provision of the US Constitution be it directly or indirectly including funding of lobbying efforts by any means or avenues whatsoever (the list of foreign entities that will immediately fund lobbying efforts to oppose this is too long to enumerate)... This is and an ass-load more are the beginning of negotiations.

Now go write that note and a check big enough that it causes a sphincter spasm.
 
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The toilet water is starting to move albeit ever so slowly. Things however should pickup steam as the weather warms up. Those that live in large city's will be the first to get a good taste of what they have supported all these years an I hope they enjoy the feast. When the trucks stop running the best part of the show will begin. The rule of law is dead in this country, an it's about to be open season on all those who brought the game to this conclusion.
 
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Bdevr said:
I "did" 30 years in that part of the country. N.H is becoming Massachusetts North. Give Nevada a close look. Laws, taxes, WEATHER, we have N.H beat by a long shot. With plenty of room for more honest Americans
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Not a hot weather person...I would miss New England winters. However, I do like Nevada. Spent some time there earlier in my life. Not a fan of Vegas but it has a lot to offer when you are outside of that area.
 
Nik H said:
Not a hot weather person...I would miss New England winters. However, I do like Nevada. Spent some time there earlier in my life. Not a fan of Vegas but it has a lot to offer when you are outside of that area.
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My dream is to retire in Tahoe. Grandparents lived in Carson city. Used to love going there.
 
TacticalDillhole said:
My dream is to retire in Tahoe. Grandparents lived in Carson city. Used to love going there.
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Too many CA people in Tahoe. I spent most of my Nevada time in Sparks. Was a contractor there for an aerospace company. There wasn't a ton to do but people seemed genuine.

I just came back from a business trip to Idaho. I was in Hayden which is up the road from coeur d'alene. Met a bunch of very friendly people there. Beautiful area and very affordable relative to Rhode Island. There was a rifle range next door to where I was working. Going back in a couple of months and planning to bring my stick with me.
 
Nik H said:
Me too...the unpredictability of POTUS has me worried. I am hoping he doesn't cave
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He may be willing to jump horses in mid-stream. That's the problem with a pure populist. He might decide that the rank-and-file middle to lower-middle class conservative workadays may have gotten him in, but appealing to another socioeconomic group is going to keep him in.

I suppose we're gonna see just how shitty it can get.
 
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travis00015 said:
looks like nothing was held back and went after all semi-auto's. including:

A semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the following: ‘‘A grenade launcher or rocket launcher."
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Sweating here. Ive got surface air missiles on my Beretta Silver Pigeon. Do you think those are considered Rockets?
 
Nik H said:
Too many CA people in Tahoe. I spent most of my Nevada time in Sparks. Was a contractor there for an aerospace company. There wasn't a ton to do but people seemed genuine.

I just came back from a business trip to Idaho. I was in Hayden which is up the road from coeur d'alene. Met a bunch of very friendly people there. Beautiful area and very affordable relative to Rhode Island. There was a rifle range next door to where I was working. Going back in a couple of months and planning to bring my stick with me.
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Idaho is really nice too. I’m in Reno still quite often these days. Amazing how much it’s grown.
 
Ohio is trying there own AWB. Thanks for the advice Veer, I had no idea that could be done. Google Ohio SB 260
 
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black max said:
Here is what Ohio is trying to pass.

file:///C:/Users/scott/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/sb260_00_IN.pdf
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Be careful posting links like that. Someone might follow it and hack your magic box.
 
Veer_G said:
Max, uh, that ... was ... a ... joke. Other than knowing that your name is probably Scott, you're quite safe.

LMAO ...
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Didn't know you were such a freakin comedian, Veer. As one can tell, I'm not the most computer savvy one around. Glad you had a good laugh at my expense...
 
black max said:
Didn't know you were such a freakin comedian, Veer. As one can tell, I'm not the most computer savvy one around. Glad you had a good laugh at my expense...
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Me, too, I guess?
 
Bill Ayres believes it will require killing 25 million Americans to bring about his idea of socialist Utopia.

and you can bet Bill Ayres has a stake in this. Sadly death does not take those deserving of it fast enough, but I digress.

Does a persons position on this define the 25 million?

If so Bill Ayres can not win as long as those with the most to lose actually maintain their balls.
 
I highly doubt this will pass but they will get something out of it. We have too many pussies on capital hill right now that will fold because some crisis actor will say something and they will just do whatever someone will say. "if he only was able to use a musket or a butter knife then he would have only killed Jim's kid and not mine"

the big issue is you better read carefully what they are trying to pass and the wording they are using. this is just one of many that I found.

‘‘(46) The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumb hole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."

Basically, you can argue that anything is a grip since your hand grips the gun. this would mean a ban on everything basically.

Again, I don't think this will pass but they will let something slip that they can use against us.
 
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I guess I'm one of the few optimists here but outside of the bumpstock ban and age limit increase I don't see much else coming. Its a election year,don't want to do anything stupid that could ruin your election.
 
Any age-limit increase should accompany driving privileges, enlistment abilities, and any other 'adult' type things. Then, and only then, will actual 'thought' be put towards what they are aiming to do.

Otherwise, not just 'no' but HELL NO.
 
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I am in agreement about the election year part. I also do not believe that they will do more than take away bump stocks and maybe raise the age to 21 yrs, but those that say any infringement is too much and if they start there where will it stop have a valid point IMO opinion as well. I am sadened by the attempts to politicise any tragedy and the MSM and left has done just that again.
 
In the end, politicians at the federal level don't actually want to fix these problems. Crisis, war, division, and unrest is good for their business. So lots of grandstanding, emotional speeches, over the top legislation, etc. If we lived in a self-governing utopia, they would be rendered useless and their cash cow (the American people) would dry up.

Guns are a very easy way to divide the American people, just like race, a two party political system that no other independent party seems to be able to break into, income, gender, etc, etc.. Its low hanging fruit for them. We can no longer have an honest conversation in this country, everyone always has to be right or wrong (on opinion issues) and anyone that thinks differently is marginalized and attacked.

We don't need more laws, we need more accountability at our highest levels, and more personal freedom without fear of being attacked or marginalized for morally exercising that personal freedom.

On a personal note, I think I'll hold onto that AK that I was contemplating selling...just in case.
 
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Reading some other sites (even just technology sites), the zealots are fine with killing as many gun owners as needed to bring about their ideas
(Funny how they want to get rid of gun owners by telling some other gun user to go kill them).

Well if the leftists/communists/socialists/democrats want to go on another killing spree because the 100+ million they killed in the "name of the people" last century were not enough, I think they may find a bit more opposition this century as plenty of people have had enough.

Witness how Eastern Europe is starting to think long and hard about telling Western Europe to go procreate with themselves.
 
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