Rifle Scopes Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

[maccrazy2]

With all the technology in everything these days and the price of everything electronic getting cheaper to produce, it has me thinking. Do you think we will see a scope with an electronic retical and built in laser rangefinding that would auto adjust for any given range? With the ammount of info that an ipod can hold and the smart phone technology. There is already the ability to store large ammounts of data and most people have bluetooth capability on the phones they already have. It would be easy to store data for many rounds or even better be able to enter load data and have the phone or scope crunch the numbers for bullet drop. The phone or pda could be used for an in field interface
This is more of a mental exercise than an actual question but I can see some benifits to a scope of this kind and especially for hunters who do not really practice shooting distance. I have seen the built in rangefinders on a few scopes already in the marketplace. I was just thinking if an electronicly adjusting auto ranging retical could be made then all the issues with turret tracking issues could be eliminated. Of course there would be some sort of knob for windage or retical graduations for hold off.
I know I too would stick with a quality conventional scope but I do think it could open some new possibilitys. So what do you guys think?

 

[MrSwede]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

As with everything else that has to do with technology,
it's just a matter of time.

 

[Advokaten]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

Whats wrong with the BORS system and the Zeiss Diarange scopes,

they are both the sort of systems that you are talking about.

/Chris

 

[maccrazy2]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

No, I am referring to eliminating the whole elevation and windage turrets and internals and using a retical that is totaly electronic that will automaticly zero itself to whatever range you point it at.
It would be easy to add buttons or turret knobs that would be used for inputs for the electronic retical so It could be used as a regular scope if preferred. I am just envisioning a scope where if you program in the balistics data for the bullets being used, you could point it at anything you want to shoot and put the crosshairs right on target and pull the trigger. Of course you would have to hold for wind.

 

[maccrazy2]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

I am thinking of an internally projected retical where all retical movements would be made by moving the projection electronicly eliminating most of the moving internal parts of the scope other than focus, power and paralax if it would still be needed.

 

[CharlieTN]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

Burris has a scope, the Eliminator, with built in laser range finder that also has programmed into it something like 700 different factory loads. Once you zero it to a set distance it will automatically give you the range to your target and the holdover point.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html

I have personally held this scope and it is sharp and looks like it would work pretty well. I have not used one though so cannot fully give it a thumbs up or GTG.

Charlie

 

[MeridianNW]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

In my mind, one of the many difficulties of this approach is getting your point of aim correctly. Humans are amazing, we can view an image through limbs and brush and focus on what we are interested in. Range finders are very primitive by comparison.

This to me, is like the proposition of eliminating the windshield in high speed aircraft. It might make sense from an engineering standpoint (on paper), but it's a tough sell to experienced pilots.

Accurately acquiring the point of aim is just one issue in the complex system you are imagining. I'm not poo-pooing the idea as insurmountable... just sayin.

A tougher hurdle would likely be how the shooter determines if there is a problem with the system, before sending the shot downrange. The sight picture would still look fine, right? This has a lot of <span style="text-decoration: line-through">potential sources of failure</span> technical challenges to overcome.

 

[maccrazy2]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CharlieTN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Burris has a scope, the Eliminator, with built in laser range finder that also has programmed into it something like 700 different factory loads. Once you zero it to a set distance it will automatically give you the range to your target and the holdover point.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html

I have personally held this scope and it is sharp and looks like it would work pretty well. I have not used one though so cannot fully give it a thumbs up or GTG.

Charlie </div></div>
I had not seen this one yet. It is not fat from what I was thinking about.

 

[maccrazy2]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

Agreed there are lots of problems that would have to be overcome. After seeing the above link I think a few more years down the road we may see just what I am thinking about on the market.

 

[20Incher]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

I saw what your talking about either in a magazine or military channel.There working on it.

 

[jps2]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

How about staying stealth/discreet against opponents using NV/thermal devices when using LRF ?
And about batteries consumption ?

KIS(<span style="text-decoration: line-through">S</span>) ?

 

[MeridianNW]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

I agree, I think there are already lots of effective choices right now for laser guided, smart-'bullet'-type technologies without resorting to developing a new shooters optical tool.

Snipers already work in teams and there are many air support type of methods which could be scaled down to a sniper team level, if you will (such as laser guiding and calling in coordinates for artillery).

There are also lots of drone/robotic solutions which would effectively accomplish remote 'sniping' type of missions.

Even a small team of two can generally out perform a single person. There is one possible exception to this rule, and that is a highly trained beverly hills ninja celebrity type of warrior! Or possibly Chuck Norris!

 

[20Incher]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

It's DARPA and lockheed working on it.

 

[JBW3]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 20incher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's DARPA and lockheed working on it. </div></div>

And USO.....
John III

 

[Pat M]

Re: Auto adjusting /ranging electronic scope thoughts.

"
DInGO is based on Lockheed Martin’s One Shot Advanced Sighting System, which utilizes similar precision engagement technology to automatically transmit crosswind information to a long-range sniper’s scope and modify the crosshairs to display exactly where the bullet will strike.

DARPA awarded Lockheed Martin an 18-month, $9.7 million contract in 2008 to integrate One Shot’s new crosswind measurement technology into a prototype spotter scope – a small telescope that is carried by sniper teams and is used to bring far-away objects into close view. During tactical field tests in December 2009, snipers were able to engage targets twice as quickly and increase their probability of a first-round hit by a factor of two using the One Shot technology at distances beyond 1,000 meters. "

here is a report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5484453/Sniper-Fire-Control-Error-Analysis